BBF VC Progressive HoF Negro League Players Election: 1962

[Ace Venom]

BBF VC Progressive HoF Negro League Committee: 1962 Election

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Below is a master list of players who have spent time in various Negro Leagues and players who played in major or minor leagues before the color line was enforced. All players on the list ceased play by 1957. Exceptions are being age 45 by 1962 or having died between 1957 and 1962, waiving the five-year wait. There are some newcomers to the ballot that were mistakenly omitted from the 1957 ballot that still deserve consideration.You can vote for anyone on the final ballot below and you can vote for up to two write in candidates. Anyone can comment, but only ballots from the VC will be counted in the election. The election concludes at the close of the regular election, which is October 9 at 11:34 PM EDT.

Note:
We've arrived at the fourth election for players who played the majority of their careers in the Negro Leagues. There will be few (if any) newly eligible candidates at this point because after integration, the Negro Leagues essentially served as a minor league for talent.

For the 1967 Negro Leagues Players VC election, those eligible are:

1. Candidates who received at least 2 votes in the 1962 election;
2. Write-in candidates who received at least 50% of the vote and;
3. Any historical candidate before integration that is discovered through research.

Players Elected (30)
John Beckwith
James "Cool Papa" Bell
Ray Brown
Oscar Charleston
Andy Cooper
Leon Day
Martin Dihigo
Willie Foster
Josh Gibson
Frank Grant
Pete Hill
Grant Johnson
Buck Leonard
John Henry Lloyd
Dick Lundy
Biz Macky
Jose Mendez
Bill Monroe
Alejandro Oms
Satchel Paige
Spotswood Poles
Dick Redding
Bullet Rogan
Louis Santop
Turkey Stearnes
Mule Suttles
Christobal Torriente
Willie Wells
Smokey Joe Williams
Jud Wilson

Final Ballot (23)
Jimmie Armstead
Joseph Black
Chet Brewer
Willard Brown
Ray Dandridge
Bunny Downs
Rube Foster
John "Bud" Fowler
Vic Harris
Monte Irvin
Bill Jackman
Samuel Jethro
Judy Johnson
Dobie Moore
John "Buck" O'Neil
Lennie Pearson
Cumberland Posey
Ted Radcliffe
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Ben Taylor
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe

*Bold denotes first time eligible.

Previous Election Results

1957 Final Results
1) Satchel Paige: 10 Votes (90.91%) - Elected
t2) Ray Brown: 9 Votes (81.81%) - Elected
t2) Leon Day: 9 Votes (81.81%) - Elected
t4) Rube Foster: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t4) Ted Radcliffe: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t4) Hilton Smith: 7 Votes (63.64%)
t7) Ray Dandridge: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t7) Bill Jackman: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t7) Judy Johnson: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t7) Quincy Trouppe: 6 Votes (54.55%)
t11) Willard Brown: 5 Votes (45.45%)
t11) Dobie Moore: 5 Votes (45.45%)
t11) Chino Smith: 5 Votes (45.45%)
t11) Ben Taylor: 5 Votes (45.45%)
15) Vic Harris: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t16) John "Bud" Fowler: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t16) Cumberland Posey: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t16) Luis Tiant, Sr.: 3 Votes (27.27%)
19) Chet Brewer: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t20) William Bell: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) William Byrd: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Bingo DeMoss: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Henry Kimbo: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Lester Lockett: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t20) Alex Radcliffe: 1 Vote (9.09%)

1952 Final Results
t1) Cool Papa Bell: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Martin Dihigo: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Buck Leonard: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Biz Mackey: 11 Votes (100%) - Elected
t5) Mule Suttles: 10 Votes (90.90%) - Elected
t5) Willie Wells: 10 Votes (90.90%) - Elected
t5) Jud Wilson: 10 Votes (90.90%) - Elected
8) Dick Lundy: 9 Votes (81.82%) - Elected
9) Rube Foster: 8 Votes (72.73%)
10) Judy Johnson: 6 Votes (54.55%)
11) Cumberland Posey: 5 Votes (45.46%)
t12) Bill Jackman: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t12) Ted Radcliffe: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t12) Ben Taylor: 4 Votes (36.36%)
t15) Bruce Petway: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t15) Chino Smith: 3 Votes (27.27%)
t17) William Bell, Sr.: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Chet Brewer: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Bingo DeMoss: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) John "Bud" Fowler: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Vic Harris: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t17) Luis Tiant, Sr.: 2 Votes (18.18%)
t23) William Dismukes: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) John Donaldson: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Frank Duncan: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Charles Grant: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Sammy T. Hughes: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Hurley McNair: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Alec Radcliffe: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) George Stovey: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Candy Jim Taylor: 1 Vote (9.09%)
t23) Sol White: 1 Vote (9.09%)

1947 Final Results
t1) Josh Gibson: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) John Henry "Pop" Lloyd: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Bullet Rogan: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Norman "Turkey" Stearnes: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t1) Smokey Joe Williams: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
t6) John Beckwith: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Oscar Charleston: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Pete Hill: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Jose Mendez: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Richard "Cannonball Dick" Redding: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t6) Louis Santop: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
t12) Andy Cooper: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Frank Grant: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Grant "Home Run" Johnson: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Spot Poles: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t12) Cristobal Torriente: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t17) Willie Foster: 9 Votes (75.00%) - Elected
t17) Bill Monroe: 9 Votes (75.00%) - Elected
t17) Alejandro Oms: 9 Votes (75.00%) - Elected
t20) Rube Foster: 8 Votes (66.67%)
t20) Chino Smith: 8 Votes (66.67%)
t22) Bill Jackman: 6 Votes (50.00%)
t22) Sol White: 6 Votes (50.00%)
t22) Jud Wilson: 6 Votes (50.00%)
t25) John "Bud" Fowler: 5 Votes (41.67%)
t25) Ben Taylor: 5 Votes (41.67%)
t25) Jesse "Nip" Winters: 5 Votes (41.67%)
28) William "Judy" Johnson: 4 Votes (33.33%)
t29) Bingo DeMoss: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) John Donaldson: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) Bruce Petway: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) Cumberland Posey: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t29) George Stovey: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t34) William Dismukes: 2 Votes (16.67%)
t34) C.I. Taylor: 2 Votes (16.67%)
t36) Philip Cockrell: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Floyd "Jelly" Gardner: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Dave Malarcher: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Alonzo Mitchell: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Moses "Fleet" Walker: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Frank Warfield: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Frank Wickware: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) Clarence Williams: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t36) George Williams: 1 Vote (8.33%)

Master List - Bold denotes a player on the ballot

Newton H. Allen
Jimmie Armstead
Walter Ball
Sam Bankhead
Dave Barnhill
Bernando Baro
Clifford Bell
William Bell, Sr.
Joseph Black
Emmet Bowman
Chet Brewer
George "Chippy" Britt
Chester Brooks
Larry "Iron Man" Brown
Willard "Home Run" Brown
Harry Buckner
William Byrd
Walter "Rev" Cannady
Phillip Cockrell
William "Sug" Cornelius
Jimmie Crutchfield
Ray Dandridge
Leon Daniels
Saul Davis
Felix Delgado
Bingo DeMoss
Lou Dials
William Dismukes
Herbert "Rap" Dixon
John Donaldson
Pat Dougherty
William Drake
Frank Duncan
Eddie Dwight
Felix "Chin" Evans
Jose Fernandez
Rube Foster
John “Bud” Fowler
Floyd “Jelly” Gardner
George Giles
Charles Grant
Joe Greene
Bob Griffith
Vic Harris
Arthur “Rats” Henderson
Bill Holland
Crush Holloway
Jess Hubbard
Sammy T. Huges
Cowan Hyde
Monte Irvin
Bill Jackman
Fats Jenkins
Samuel Jethro
George “Chappie” Johnson
Oscar Johnson
William “Judy” Johnson
Newt Joseph
Henry Kimbo
Milfred Laurent
Scrip Lee
Frank Leland
Lester Lockett
Jimmie Lyons
Dave Malarcher
Oliver Marcell
Dan McClellan
Hurley McNair
Dobie Moore
Alonzo Mitchell
John "Buck" O'Neil
Ted Page
Red Parnell
Jap Payne
Lennie Pearson
Bill Pettus
Bruce Petway
Andrew Porter
Cumberland Posey
Alec Radcliffe
Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe
Neal Robinson
William Robinson
Bullet Rogan
Nat Rogers
Merven “Red” Ryan
George Scales
Chino Smith
Clarence Smith
Eugene Smith
Hilton Smith
Jake Stephens
George Stovey
Ben Taylor
Candy Jim Taylor
“Steel Arm Johnny” Taylor
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe
Moses “Fleet” Walker
Frank Warfield
Chaney White
Sol White
Frank Wickware
Waibishaw Wiley
Chet Williams
Clarence Williams
George Williams
George Wilson
Jesse “Nip” Winters
Bill Wright
Laymon Yokely

[Ace Venom]

As I announced in the 1960 VC thread:

The Veterans Committee

Ace Venom
brad harris
captain cold nose
cowtipper
dgarza
Domenic
DoubleX
Jalbright
jjpm74
KCGhost
Leecemark
mwiggins
Paul Wendt
pvnick
SavoyBG

-The VC has been trimmed to 14 members. Any former members can return by request. Any member that no longer wishes to participate in the VC can notify me by PM or by posting in this thread.
-Any VC member that wants to participate in the Negro League VC should notify me via PM. I want to establish a separate 12 member committee for the Negro League VC.

This is the smallest Negro League ballot we've had to this point. Integration has reduced the Negro Leagues to essentially minor league talent, so those who played solely in the Negro Leagues (or just in the integrated minor leagues) are going to be ineligible unless nominated. There are a few on this ballot that have large portions of Major League play on their resume, but could not qualify for the regular election for whatever reason.

[Domenic]

Willard Brown
Ray Dandridge
Rube Foster
Monte Irvin
Judy Johnson
John "Buck" O'Neil
Ted Radcliffe
Hilton Smith
Quincy Trouppe

[Ace Venom]

Willard Brown
Ray Dandridge
Bingo DeMoss (write-in)
Rube Foster
Monte Irvin
Judy Johnson
Dobie Moore
John "Buck" O'Neil
Ted Radcliffe
Hilton Smith
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe

[jalbright]

W. Brown
Dandridge
Irvin
Moore
C. Smith
H. Smith
Trouppe

I've provided links to my arguments about each player's worthiness above. Just click on the name, and you'll be able to read it. I will note that in terms of this project, my sentiments on Chino Smith are more positive than expressed in the article.

[Brad Harris]

Willard Brown
Ray Dandridge
Monte Irvin
Dobie Moore
Joe Rogan
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Quincy Trouppe

[Ace Venom]

Joe Rogan

We already elected Joe Rogan.

[SavoyBG]

MY VOTES

Ray Dandridge
Monte Irvin
Judy Johnson
Double Duty Radcliffe
Ben Taylor

[jjpm74]

Ballot:

Willard Brown
Ray Dandridge
Monte Irvin
Bill Jackman
Dobie Moore
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Quincy Trouppe

[dgarza]

Willard "Home Run" Brown
Ray Dandridge
Rube Foster
Monte Irvin
William “Judy” Johnson
Cumberland Posey
Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe
Hilton Smith

[leecemark]

Rube Foster
Monte Irvin
Hilton Smith

[jjpm74]

Rube Foster

Rube Foster was elected as a contributor back in 1930. Just a heads up as I know what your feelings are about electing someone to both wings in this project.

[Ace Venom]

There are two days left in the election and only eight members have voted. If we can't get to 12 votes from the VC, I'd be willing to accept invitations to join this committee along with your ballots. I've had a lot of difficulty getting participation in this side of the project, so I'm open to allowing this.

[jjpm74]

There are two days left in the election and only eight members have voted. If we can't get to 12 votes from the VC, I'd be willing to accept invitations to join this committee along with your ballots. I've had a lot of difficulty getting participation in this side of the project, so I'm open to allowing this.

A lot of the people on this particular committee are very busy people. Have you tried PMming them?

As an aside, by 1965, we are 20 years into integration. Maybe after this election, it's time to shut this side down and merge the players who received 2 or more votes that did not get elected with the general players VC?

[Paul Wendt]

Rube Foster
Monte Irvin
Dobie Moore
Hilton Smith
Quincy Trouppe


Let me quote myself from BBF VC Progressive HoF Contributors Election: 1956 (#29).
>>
1959:
Posey has not been elected. He is on the Negro Leagues players ballot, where he enjoyed some support in 1956. I don't believe there is a good case for him as a player (maybe a basketball player) but there is a good case for him as a contributor.
<<
(P.S. slam-dunk case as a contributor)

[Ace Venom]

A lot of the people on this particular committee are very busy people. Have you tried PMming them?

I did that after posting the message.

As an aside, by 1965, we are 20 years into integration. Maybe after this election, it's time to shut this side down and merge the players who received 2 or more votes that did not get elected with the general players VC?

I see two ways of approaching this situation.

1) Continue to hold the special committee, but transform it into a non-MLB players committee.
2) Combine this committee with the regular VC, but have the final ballots be separate. The committee would still exist.

Either way, I'd like for this side of the project to at least run for one or two more cycles (up until 1972) before making the change. There will be no newly eligible candidates, so this would mostly be for dealing with holdovers. However, if we elect no one in 1967, then I'll merge with the regular VC in 1970 or create a new non-MLB players committee.

[PVNICK]

Chet Brewer
Willard Brown
Ray Dandridge
Monte Irvin
Judy Johnson
Dobie Moore
John "Buck" O'Neil
Hilton Smith
Luis Tiant, Sr.
Quincy Trouppe

[Cowtipper]

Ray Dandridge
Rube Foster
Bud Fowler
Vic Harris
Monte Irvin
Judy Johnson
Buck O'Neil
Chino Smith
Hilton Smith
Ben Taylor

[Captain Cold Nose]

Willard Brown
Ray Dandridge
Monte Irvin
Bill Jackman
Judy Johnson
Buck O'Neil
Cum Posey
Hilton Smith
Ben Taylor
Quincy Trouppe

[Ace Venom]

1962 Final Results (12 Votes Cast, 9 Required for Election)
1) Monte Irvin: 12 Votes (100%) - Elected
2) Hilton Smith: 11 Votes (91.67%) - Elected
3) Ray Dandridge: 10 Votes (83.33%) - Elected
t4) Willard Brown: 8 Votes (66.67%)
t4) Quincy Trouppe: 8 Votes (66.67%)
6) Judy Johnson: 7 Votes (58.33%)
7) Rube Foster: 6 Votes (50.00%)
t8) Dobie Moore: 5 Votes (41.67%)
t8) John "Buck" O'Neill: 5 Votes (41.67%)
t10) Ted Radcliffe: 4 Votes (33.33%)
t10) Chino Smith: 4 Votes (33.33%)
12) Ben Taylor: 3 Votes (25.00%)
t13) Bill Jackman: 2 Votes (16.67%)
t13) Cumberland Posey: 2 Votes (16.67%)
t13) Luis Tiant, Sr.: 2 Votes (16.67%)
t16) Chet Brewer: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t16) Bingo DeMoss: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t16) Bud Fowler: 1 Vote (8.33%)
t16) Vic Harris: 1 Vote (8.33%)

We elected three players: Monte Irvin, Hilton Smith and Ray Dandridge. It was Monte Irvin's first time on the ballot. Dandridge and Smith were holdovers from the previous election.