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  • Tommy Bridges, SP (1930-1943, 1945-1946) - 13th Year

    13 59.09%
  • Walker Cooper, C (1940-1957) - 2nd Year

    1 4.55%
  • Dom DiMaggio, CF (1940-1942, 1946-1953) - 6th Year

    9 40.91%
  • Bob Elliot, 3B (1939-1953) - 6th Year

    14 63.64%
  • Dee Fondy, 1B (1951-1958) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Bob Johnson, LF (1933-1945) - 14th Year

    10 45.45%
  • George Kell, 3B (1943-1957) - 2nd Year

    8 36.36%
  • Charlie Keller, LF (1939-1943, 1945-1952) - 7th Year

    9 40.91%
  • Chuck Klein, RF (1928-1944) - 15th Year

    9 40.91%
  • Bob Lemon, SP (1946-1958) - 1st Year

    14 63.64%
  • Dutch Leonard, SP (1933-1936, 1938-1953) - 6th Year

    3 13.64%
  • Ernie Lombardi, C (1931-1947) - 12th Year

    12 54.55%
  • Sal Maglie, SP (1945, 1950-1958) - 1st Year

    2 9.09%
  • Eddie Miksis, 2B (1944, 1946-1958) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Bob Miller, SP/RP (1949-1958) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Les Moss, C (1946-1958) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Johnny Pesky, SS (1942, 1946-1954) - 5th Year

    2 9.09%
  • Pee Wee Reese, SS (1940-1942, 1946-1958) - 1st Year

    20 90.91%
  • Allie Reynolds, SP (1942-1954) - 5th Year

    2 9.09%
  • Phil Rizzuto, SS (1941-1942, 1946-1956) - 3rd Year

    12 54.55%
  • Al Rosen, 3B (1947-1956) - 3rd Year

    6 27.27%
  • Roy Smalley, SS (1948-1958) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Vern Stephens, SS (1941-1955) - 4th Year

    9 40.91%
  • Cecil Travis, SS (1933-1941, 1945-1947) - 12th Year

    1 4.55%
  • Hal Trosky, 1B (1933-1941, 1945-1947) - 14th Year

    2 9.09%
  • Virgil Trucks, SP (1941-1943, 1945-1958) - 1st Year

    1 4.55%
  • Dixie Walker, RF (1931, 1933-1949) - 10th Year

    3 13.64%
  • Bucky Walters, SP (1934-1948, 1950) - 9th Year

    14 63.64%
  • Lloyd Waner, RF (1926-1945) - 14th Year

    1 4.55%
  • Lon Warneke, SP (1930-1943, 1945) - 14th Year

    6 27.27%
  • Herm Wehmeir, SP (1945, 1947-1958) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • Jim Wilson, SP (1945-1946, 1948-1949, 1951-1958) - 1st Year

    0 0%
  • None of the Above (Blank Ballot)

    0 0%
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Thread: BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1963

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    BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1963

    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING!

    Format and Rules
    Voting Rules:
    Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
    -Blank Ballots: A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. This option is not to be taken lightly and it is strongly urged that it be used only after the utmost consideration, as non-votes carry great weight. Additionally, if using this option, please post your rationale.

    Voting Criteria: Players are to be evaluated within the context of the era in which they played and the history of the game to that point. Players are not to be held to standards that would materialize at a time beyond the year of the current election. Modern statistical analysis is permitted but must be applied strictly within historical context not to go beyond the year of the current election. Players are to be judged based solely on their playing careers. Other, non-playing contributions may be considered to the extent that they coincided with a player's playing career (such as a player/manager).

    Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

    Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to appear on the next ballot.

    Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons. If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 PAs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
    - Age Exception: For players 40 or older, they will become eligible the later of either 5 years after their last year of continuous play, or their first inactive year at age 45 or older.
    - Death Exception: For players who meet the criteria for consideration, but die before their first year of eligibility can have the five year waiting period waived and placed on the ballot the year of death.

    Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.

    Conduct Policy: Every vote is a voter's opinion on who should be elected to the Hall of Fame. It is our responsibility as voters to be respectful towards each other. Personal attacks should not be tolerated and you should notify a moderator rather than allowing an argument to escalate and further derail discussion of the candidates.

    1963 Guide
    There are 32 candidates on the 1963 ballot - 22 holdovers and 10 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1958 (unless qualifying under the age or death rule) or were omitted on the ballot in previous years.

    Newly Eligible (10)
    Dee Fondy
    Bob Lemon
    Sal Maglie
    Eddie Miksis
    Bob Miller
    Les Moss
    Pee Wee Reese
    Roy Smalley
    Virgil Trucks
    Herm Wehmeir
    Jim Wilson

    Holdovers (22)
    Code:
    Player			Year of Eligibility	Previous Support	High Support		Low Support
    Tommy Bridges           13th                    61.90%                  61.90% (1962)           22.58% (1952)
    Walker Cooper           2nd                      9.52%                  9.52% (1962)           9.52% (1962)
    Dom DiMaggio		6th			47.62%			47.62% (1962)		30.00% (1958)
    Bob Elliot		6th			71.43%			71.43% (1962)		46.67% (1958)
    Bob Johnson		13th			33.33%			54.17% (1959)		26.47% (1950)
    George Kell		2nd			33.33%			33.33% (1962)		33.33% (1962)
    Charlie Keller		7th			33.33%			50.00% (1959)		40.00% (1957)
    Chuck Klein		15th			28.57%			45.71% (1951)		25.93% (1960)
    Dutch Leonard		6th			9.52%			18.52% (1960)		9.52% (1962)
    Ernie Lombardi		12th			38.10%			48.15% (1956)		32.26% (1952)
    Johnny Pesky		5th			9.52%			11.54% (1961)		8.33% (1959)
    Allie Reynolds		5th			9.52%			8.33% (1959)		7.41% (1960)
    Phil Rizzuto		3rd			47.62%			47.62% (1962)		34.62% (1961)
    Al Rosen		3rd			28.57%			30.77% (1961)		28.57% (1962)
    Vern Stephens		4th			42.86%			44.44% (1960)		34.62% (1961)
    Cecil Travis		12th			9.52%			16.67% (1957)		6.25% (1954)
    Hal Trosky		14th			9.52%			14.29% (1951)		5.88% (1953)
    Dixie Walker		9th			14.29%			16.67% (1959)		7.41% (1960)
    Bucky Walters		9th			57.14%			62.50% (1959)		40.74% (1956)
    Lloyd Waner		14th			9.52%			13.33% (1957)		5.88% (1953)
    Lon Warneke		14th			28.57%			33.33% (1959)		8.82% (1950)
    Holdovers Dropped From Last Election (5)
    Code:
    Player			Reason			Years on Ballot		High Support		Low Support
    Harry Brecheen		Lack of Support	        5			16.67% (1958)		4.76% (1962)
    Phil Cavarretta		Lack of Support	        3			11.54% (1961)		4.76% (1962)
    Tommy Henrich		Lack of Support	        8			25.00% (1955)		4.76% (1962)
    Bobo Newsom		Lack of Support	        5			11.11% (1960)		4.76% (1962)
    Mel Parnell		Lack of Support	        2			7.69% (1961)		4.76% (1962)
    Last Year of Eligibility (1)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Chuck Klein	        45.71% (1951)
    Penultimate Year of Eligibility (4)
    Code:
    Player			High Support
    Bob Johnson	        54.17% (1959)
    Hal Trosky	        14.29% (1951)
    Lloyd Waner	        13.33% (1957)
    Lon Warneke	        33.33% (1959)
    Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in Previous Election (3)
    Code:
    Player			Previous Support	Years with At Least 50% Support
    Tommy Bridges	        61.90%			4
    Bob Elliot	        71.43%			4
    Bucky Walters	        57.14%			5
    Hall of Famers - 187
    A total of 187 players and contributors have been elected to the BBF Progressive Hall of Fame.

    Hall of Fame Players Wing
    Players Elected - 165
    Code:
    Player			Year Elected	Election Percentage	Years on Ballot		Position	        Primary Team			        Active Years			  Total Seasons		Living/Deceased		Age at Election
    Pete Alexander		1935		93.94%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1911-1930			  20			Deceased (1887-1950)	48
    Cap Anson		1902		100%			1			First Base	        Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1871-1897			  27			Deceased (1852-1922)	50
    Luke Appling		1955		100%		        1		        Shortstop		Chicago White Sox (AL)		        1930-1943, 1945-1950		  20		        Living - Age 56		48
    Earl Averill		1947		82.14%		        2		        Center Field		Cleveland Indians (AL)			1929-1941		          13		        Living - Age 61		45
    Frank Baker		1927		96.43%			1			Third Base	        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922	  13			Deceased (1886-1963)	41
    Ross Barnes^		1911		76.00%			11			Second Base	        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879, 1881			  9			Deceased (1850-1915)	61
    Jake Beckley		1917		76.00%			6			First Base	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1887-1907			  20			Deceased (1867-1918)	50
    John Beckwith*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Third Base		Chicago Giants (NNL)			1916-1938		          19		        Deceased (1900-1956)	47
    James Bell		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Center Field		Pittsburgh Crawfords (NNL)		1922-1946		          25		        Living - Age 60		49
    Charlie Bennett		1907		75.00%			7			Catcher		        Detroit Wolverines (NL)			1878, 1880-1893			  15			Deceased (1854-1927)	53
    Lou Boudreau		1957		90.00%		        1		        Shortstop		Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1938-1952		          15		        Living - Age 46		40
    Roger Bresnahan		1925		79.17%			6			Catcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1897, 1900-1915			  17			Deceased (1879-1944)	46
    Dan Brouthers		1901		90.00%			1			First Base	        Buffalo Bisons (NL)			1879-1896, 1904			  18			Deceased (1858-1932)	50
    Mordecai Brown		1921		96.77%			1			Pitcher		        Chicago Cubs (NL)			1903-1916			  14			Deceased (1876-1948)	45
    Ray Brown*`		1957 (VC)	81.81%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Homestead Grays (I/NNL)		        1930-1948		          19		        Living - Age 55		49
    Pete Browning		1909		77.27%			9			Left Field/Center Field	Louisville Colonels (NL/AA)	        1882-1894			  13			Deceased (1861-1905)	Deceased
    Jesse Burkett		1910		92.00%			1			Left Field 	        Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1890-1895			  16			Deceased (1868-1953)	42
    Roy Campanella`		1962		95.24%		        1		        Catcher		        Brooklyn Dodgers (NL)		        1937-1945 (NeL), 1948-1957	  18		        Living - Age 42		41
    Max Carey		1934		82.14%			1			Center Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1910-1929			  20			Living - Age 73		44
    Bob Caruthers		1909		77.27%			9			Pitcher/Right Field	St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA)	1884-1893		          10			Deceased (1864-1911)	45
    Frank Chance		1932		83.33%			14			First Base	        Chicago Cubs (NL)			1898-1914			  17			Deceased (1876-1924)	Deceased
    Oscar Charleston*`	1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Center Field		Indianapolis ABCs (I/NNL)		1915-1941		          27		        Deceased (1896-1954)	51
    Cupid Childs		1920		76.92%			15			Second Base	        Cleveland Spiders (NL)			1888, 1890-1901			  13			Deceased (1867-1912)	Deceased
    Fred Clarke		1917		88.00%			1			Left Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1894-1915			  21			Deceased (1872-1960)	45
    John Clarkson		1901		90.00%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)	        1882, 1884-1894			  12			Deceased (1861-1909)	40
    Ty Cobb			1933		96.55%			1			Center Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)			1905-1928			  24			Deceased (1886-1961)	47
    Mickey Cochrane		1942		89.19%			1			Catcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1925-1937			  13			Deceased (1903-1962)	38
    Eddie Collins		1935		96.67%			1			Second Base	        Chicago White Sox (AL)			1906-1930			  25			Deceased (1887-1951)	48
    Jimmy Collins		1913		82.61%			1			Third Base	        Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1895-1908			  14			Deceased (1870-1943)	43
    Roger Connor		1902		79.17%			1			First Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1897			  18			Deceased (1857-1931)	45
    Andy Cooper*`		1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Pitcher			Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL)		1920-1941		          22		        Deceased (1898-1941)	Deceased
    Wilbur Cooper*		1950 (VC)	75.00%		        VC	                Pitcher		        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1912-1926		          15	                Living - Age 71		58
    Stan Coveleski		1934		89.29%			2			Pitcher		        Cleveland Indians  (AL)			1912, 1916-1928			  14 			Living - Age 74		45
    Sam Crawford		1922		92.86%			1			Right Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)	                1899-1917			  19			Living - Age 83		41
    Joe Cronin		1950		88.24%		        1		        Shortstop	        Boston Red Sox (AL)		        1926-1945		          20		        Living - Age 57		44
    Bill Dahlen		1916		88.00%			1			Shortstop	        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891-1911			  21			Deceased (1870-1950)	46
    Ray Dandridge*`		1962 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Third Base		Newark Eagles (NNL)		        1933-1949		          17		        Living - Age 50		49
    George Davis		1914		84.62%			1			Shortstop	        New York Giants (NL)			1890-1909			  20			Deceased (1870-1940)	44
    Leon Day*`		1957 (VC)	81.81%		        VC		        Pitcher/Second Base	Newark Eagles (NNL)		        1934-1943, 1946-1950		  15		        Living - Age 47		41
    Ed Delahanty		1908		96.00%			1			Left Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1903			  16			Deceased (1867-1903)	Deceased
    Dizzy Dean		1948		80.77%		        3		        Pitcher		        St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1930, 1932-1941, 1947		  12		        Living - Age 54		38
    Bill Dickey		1951		94.29%		        1		        Catcher		        New York Yankees (AL)		        1928-1943, 1946		          17		        Living - Age 56		44
    Martin Dihigo*`		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Second Base/Pitcher	Cuban Stars (East) (ANL/I)		1923-1945		          23		        Living - Age 57		46
    Joe DiMaggio		1956		96.30%		        1		        Center Field		New York Yankees (AL)		        1936-1942, 1946-1951		  13		        Living - Age 49		42
    Bobby Doerr		1956		88.89%		        1		        Second Base		Boston Red Sox (AL)		        1937-1944, 1946-1951		  14		        Living - Age 45		38
    Larry Doyle		1926		76.00%			2			Second Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1907-1920			  14			Living - Age 77		40
    Hugh Duffy		1918		75.00%			8			Center Field/Outfield	Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)	        1888-1891, 1904-1906	          17			Deceased (1866-1954)	52
    Buck Ewing		1902		83.33%			1			Catcher		        New York Giants  (NL)			1880-1897			  18			Deceased (1859-1906)	44
    Red Faber		1940		76.46%			3			Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox  (AL)			1914-1933			  20			Living - Age 75		52
    Bob Feller		1961		100%		        1		        Pitcher		        Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1936-1941, 1945-1956		  18		        Living - Age 45		43
    Wes Ferrell		1955		78.57%		        10		        Pitcher		        Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1927-1941		          15		        Living - Age 55		47
    Elmer Flick		1916		80.00%			1			Right Field	        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1898-1910			  13			Living - Age 87		40
    Willie Foster*`		1947 (VC)	75.00%		        VC		        Pitcher			Chicago American Giants (ANL/NNL)	1923-1938		          16		        Living - Age 59		43
    Jimmie Foxx		1950		100%		        1		        First Base	        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)	        1925-1942, 1945		          20		        Living - Age 56		43
    Frankie Frisch		1942		91.89%			1			Second Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1919-1937			  19			Living - Age 64		43
    Pud Galvin		1903		80.77%			3			Pitcher		        Buffalo Bisons (NL)	                1875, 1879-1892			  15			Deceased (1856-1902)	Deceased
    Lou Gehrig	        1944	        100%		        1		        First Base	        New York Yankees (AL)		        1923-1939		          17	                Deceased (1903-1941)	Deceased
    Charlie Gehringer	1947		100%		        1		        Second Base		Detroit Tigers (AL)			1924-1942		          19		        Living - Age 60		44
    Josh Gibson*`		1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Catcher			Homestead Grays (ANL/NNL)		1929-1946		          18		        Deceased (1911-1947)	Deceased
    Jack Glasscock		1911		84.00%			11			Shortstop	        Cleveland Blues (NL)			1879-1895			  17			Deceased (1857-1947)	54
    Lefty Gomez		1962		80.95%		        15		        Pitcher		        New York Yankees (AL)		        1930-1943		          14		        Living - Age 55		54
    George Gore		1909		77.27%			9			Center Field	        Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1879-1892			  14			Deceased (1867-1933)	52
    Joe Gordon		1955		75.00%		        1		        Second Base		New York Yankees (AL)		        1938-1943, 1946-1950		  11		        Living - Age 48		40
    Goose Goslin            1943            93.33%                  1                       Left Field              Washington Senators (NL)                1921-1938                         18                    Living - Age 62         42
    Frank Grant*`		1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Second Base		Cuban Giants (I/MSL)			1886-1905		          20		        Deceased (1865-1937)	Deceased
    Hank Greenberg		1952		93.55%		        1		        First Base		Detroit Tigers (AL)		        1930, 1933-1941, 1945-1947	  13		        Living - Age 52		41
    Clark Griffith*		1940 (VC)	78.57%			VC			Pitcher		        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1891, 1893-1909, 1912-1914	  20			Deceased (1869-1955)	70
    Burleigh Grimes*	1960 (VC)	76.92%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Brooklyn Robins (NL)		        1916-1934		          19		        Living - Age 70		67
    Heinie Groh		1936		81.25%			5			Third Base	        Cincinnati Reds (NL)			1912-1927			  16			Living - Age 73		47
    Lefty Grove		1946		100%		        1		        Pitcher			Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1925-1941		          17		        Living - Age 63		46
    Stan Hack		1952		77.42%		        1		        Third Base		Chicago Cubs (NL)		        1932-1947		          16		        Living - Age 54		43
    Billy Hamilton		1906		82.61%			1			Center Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1888-1901			  14			Deceased (1866-1940)	40
    Gabby Hartnett		1946		96.30%		        1		        Catcher			Chicago Cubs (NL)			1922-1941		          20		        Living - Age 63		46
    Harry Heilmann		1937		96.18%			1			Right Field	        Detroit Tigers (AL)	                1914, 1916-1930, 1932		  17			Deceased (1894-1951)	43
    Billy Herman		1952		77.42%		        1		        Second Base		Chicago Cubs (NL)		        1931-1943, 1946-1947		  15		        Living - Age 54		43
    Pete Hill*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Center Field		Chicago American Giants (I)		1899-1925		          27		        Deceased (1880-1951)	67
    Paul Hines		1904		76.00%			4			Center Field	        Providence Grays (NL)			1872-1891			  20			Deceased (1855-1935)	49
    Rogers Hornsby		1942		97.30%			1			Second Base	        St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1915-1937			  23			Deceased (1896-1963)	45
    Carl Hubbell		1948		96.15%		        1		        Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1928-1943		          16		        Living - Age 61		45
    Monte Irvin*`		1962 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Left Field		Newark Eagles (NNL)		        1937-1942,1945-1948(NeL),1949-195618		        Living - Age 44		43
    Hughie Jennings		1927		75.00%			14			Shortstop	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918 17			Deceased (1869-1928)	58
    Grant Johnson*`		1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Shortstop		Brooklyn Royal Giants (I)		1895-1916		          22		        Deceased (1874-1963)	73
    Walter Johnson		1932		100%			1			Pitcher		        Washington Senators (AL)                1907-1927			  21			Deceased (1887-1946)	45
    Addie Joss		1926		76.00%			15			Pitcher		        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1902-1910			  9			Deceased (1880-1911)	Deceased
    Tim Keefe		1901		75.00%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1893			  14			Deceased (1857-1933)	44
    Willie Keeler		1916		92.00%			2			Right Field	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1892-1910			  19			Deceased (1872-1923)	44
    Joe Kelley		1920		84.62%			8			Left Field	        Baltimore Orioles (NL)			1891-1906, 1908			  17			Deceased (1871-1943)	49
    King Kelly		1902		75.00%			2			Right Field/Catcher	Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL)	1878-1893		          16			Deceased (1857-1894)	Deceased
    Ralph Kiner		1960		96.30%		        1		        Left Field		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1946-1955		          10		        Living - Age 41		38
    Napoleon Lajoie		1921		96.77%			1			Second Base	        Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL)		1896-1916			  21			Deceased (1874-1959)	47
    Tommy Leach*		1940 (VC)	85.71%			VC			Third Base/Center Field	Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1898-1915, 1918			  19			Living - Age 86		63
    Buck Leonard*`		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        First Base		Homestead Grays (I/NNL)		        1933-1950		          18		        Living - Age 56		45
    John Henry Lloyd*`	1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Shortstop		Lincoln Giants (I/ECL)			1906-1932		          27		        Living - Age 79		63
    Herman Long*		1925 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Shortstop	        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1889-1904			  16			Deceased (1866-1909)	Deceased
    Dick Lundy*`		1952 (VC)	81.82%		        VC		        Shortstop		Bacharach Giants (I/ECL)		1916-1939		          24		        Living - Age 65		54
    Ted Lyons		1949		80.00%		        3		        Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox (AL)		        1928-1942, 1946		          16		        Living - Age 63		49
    Biz Mackey*`		1952 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Catcher		        Hilldale Daises (ECL/ANL/I)		1920-1941, 1945-1947, 1950	  26		        Living - Age 66		55
    Sherry Magee		1924		86.21%			1			Left Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1904-1919			  16			Deceased (1884-1929)	40
    Rabbit Maranville*	1955 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Shortstop		Boston Braves (NL)		        1912-1933, 1935		          23		        Deceased (1891-1954)	Deceased
    Christy Mathewson	1922		93.55%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1900-1916			  17			Deceased (1880-1925)	41
    Joe McGinnity		1913		91.30%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1899-1908			  10			Deceased (1871-1929)	42
    Bid McPhee		1905		75.00%			2			Second Base	        Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1882-1899			  18			Deceased (1859-1943)	42
    Cal McVey*^		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Catcher/First Base	Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1879			  9			Deceased (1849-1926)	71
    Joe Medwick		1953		85.29%		        1		        Left Field		St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1932-1948		          17		        Living - Age 52		42
    Jose Mendez*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Pitcher			Kansas City Monarchs (NNL)		1908-1926		          19		        Deceased (1887-1928)	Deceased
    Johnny Mize		1958		96.67%		        1		        First Base		St. Louis Cardinals (NL)		1936-1942, 1946-1953		  15		        Living - Age 50		45
    Bill Monroe*`		1947 (VC)	75.00%		        VC		        Second Base		Brooklyn Royal Giants (I)		1896-1914		          19		        Deceased (1876-1914)	Deceased
    Tony Mullane		1908		80.00%			8			Pitcher		        Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA)			1881-1894			  14			Deceased (1859-1944)	49
    Kid Nichols		1911		100%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1890-1901, 1904-1906		  15			Deceased (1869-1953)	42
    Hal Newhouser		1960		85.19%		        1		        Pitcher		        Detroit Tigers (AL)		        1939-1955		          17		        Living - Age 42		39
    Jim O'Rourke		1901		90.00%			1			Left Field/Utility	New York Giants (NL)		        1872-1893, 1904			  23			Deceased (1850-1919)	51
    Alejandro Oms*`		1947 (VC)	75.00%		        VC		        Center Field		Cuban Stars (East) (ECL/ANL)		1917-1935		          19		        Deceased (1895-1946)	Deceased
    Mel Ott		        1952		100%		        1		        Right Field		New York Giants (NL)		        1926-1947		          22		        Deceased (1909-1958)	43
    Satchel Paige*`		1957 (VC)	90.91%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Kansas City Monarchs (I/NNL/NAL)	1926-1953		          28		        Living - Age 57		51
    Dickey Pearce*^		1920 (VC)	100%			VC			Shortstop	        Brooklyn Atlantics (NA)			1871-1877			  6			Deceased (1836-1908)	Deceased
    Lip Pike*^		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Center Field	        Baltimore Canaries (NA)			1871-1878, 1881, 1887		  10			Deceased (1845-1926)	Deceased
    Eddie Plank		1922		92.86%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1901-1917			  17			Deceased (1875-1926)	47
    Spotswood Poles*`	1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Center Field		Lincoln Stars (I)			1909-1923		          15		        Deceased (1887-1962)	60
    Charley Radbourn	1901		95.00%			1			Pitcher		        Providence Grays (NL)			1881-1891			  11			Deceased (1854-1897)	Deceased
    Dick Redding*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Pitcher			Brooklyn Royal Giants (I/ECL)		1911-1938		          18		        Deceased (1891-1948)	56
    Sam Rice*		1955 (VC)	76.92%		        VC		        Right Field		Washington Senators (AL)		1915-1934		          20		        Living - Age 73		65
    Hardy Richardson*	1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			Second Base/Left Field	Buffalo Bisons (NL)		        1879-1892			  14			Deceased (1855-1931)	65
    Eppa Rixey*		1955 (VC)	92.30%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Cincinnati Reds (NL)		        1912-1917, 1919-1933		  21		        Deceased (1891-1963)	64
    Jackie Robinson`	1961		96.15%		        1		        Second Base		Brooklyn Dodgers (NL)		        1945(NeL), 1947-1956		  11		        Living - Age 44		42
    Bullet Rogan*`		1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Pitcher			Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL)		1917-1938		          22		        Living - Age 70		54
    Edd Roush               1943            76.67%                  1                       Center Field            Cincinnati Reds (NL)                    1913-1929, 1931                   18                    Living - Age 70         49
    Red Ruffing		1951		82.86%		        2		        Pitcher		        New York Yankees (AL)		        1924-1942, 1945-1947	          22		        Living - Age 58	        46
    Amos Rusie		1906		78.26%			1			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901	  10			Deceased (1871-1942)	35
    Babe Ruth		1940		97.06%			1			Right Field/Left Field	New York Yankees (AL)		        1914-1935			  22			Deceased (1895-1948)	45
    Jimmy Ryan*		1930 (VC)	86.67%			VC			Center Field	        Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL)		1885-1900, 1902, 1903		  18			Deceased (1863-1923)	Deceased
    Louis Santop*`		1947 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Catcher			Hilldale Daises (I)			1909-1926		          18		        Deceased (1890-1942)	Deceased
    Joe Sewell		1942		75.68%			5			Shortstop/Third Base	Cleveland Indians (AL)		        1920-1933			  14			Living - Age 64		43
    Jimmy Sheckard*         1945 (VC)       83.33%                  VC                      Left Field              Chicago Cubs (NL)                       1897-1913                         17                    Deceased (1878-1947)    67
    Al Simmons		1949		96.00%		        1		        Left Field	        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)	        1924-1944		          21		        Deceased (1902-1956)	47
    George Sisler		1935		90.91%			1			First Base	        St. Louis Browns (AL)			1915-1922, 1924-1930		  15			Living - Age 69		42
    Hilton Smith*`		1962 (VC)	91.67%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Kansas City Monarchs (I/NAL)		1932-1948		          17		        Living - Age 51		50
    Al Spalding^		1915		80.00%			15			Pitcher		        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1878			  8			Deceased (1850-1915)	Deceased
    Tris Speaker		1933		100%			1			Center Field	        Cleveland Indians (AL)			1907-1928			  22			Deceased (1888-1958)	45
    Joe Start*^		1920 (VC)	91.67%			VC			First Base	        Providence Grays (NL)			1871-1886			  16			Deceased (1842-1927)	78
    Turkey Stearnes*`	1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Center Field		Detroit Stars (NNL/NAL)			1923-1942		          20		        Living - Age 62		46
    Harry Stovey		1907		75.00%			7			Left Field/First Base	Philadelphia Athletics (AA)	        1880-1893		          14			Deceased (1856-1931)	51
    Mule Suttles*`		1952 (VC)	90.90%		        VC		        First Base		Newark Eagles (NNL)		        1921, 1923-1944		          23		        Living - Age 62		51
    Ezra Sutton*		1920 (VC)	83.33%			VC			Third Base	        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1871-1888			  18			Deceased (1850-1907)	Deceased
    Bill Terry		1941		80.00%			1			First Base	        New York Giants (NL)			1923-1936			  14			Living - Age 64		43
    Sam Thompson		1907		79.17%			5			Right Field	        Philadelphia Phillies (NL)		1885-1898, 1906			  14			Deceased (1860-1922)	47
    Cristobal Torriente*`	1947 (VC)	83.33%		        VC		        Center Field		Chicago American Giants (NNL)		1913-1928		          16		        Deceased (1893-1938)	Deceased
    Pie Traynor		1942		83.78%			1			Third Base	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1920-1937			  18			Living - Age 63		42
    Dazzy Vance		1940		76.47%			1			Pitcher		        Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1915, 1918, 1922-1935		  16			Deceased (1891-1961)	48
    George Van Haltren	1918		75.00%			11			Center Field	        New York Giants (NL)			1887-1903			  17			Deceased (1866-1945)	52
    Arky Vaughan		1953		100%		        1		        Shortstop		Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1932-1943, 1947-1948		  14		        Deceased (1912-1952)	Deceased
    Rube Waddell		1915		84.00%			1			Pitcher		        Philadelphia Athletics (AL)		1897, 1899-1910			  13			Deceased (1876-1914)	Deceased
    Honus Wagner		1922		92.86%			1			Shortstop	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)			1897-1917			  21			Deceased (1874-1955)	48
    Bobby Wallace		1925		75.00%			3			Shortstop	        St. Louis Browns (AL)			1894-1918			  25			Deceased (1873-1960)	52
    Ed Walsh		1922		89.29%			1			Pitcher		        Chicago White Sox (AL)			1904-1917			  14			Deceased (1881-1959)	41
    John Ward		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop/Pitcher	New York Giants (NL)		        1878-1894			  17			Deceased (1860-1925)	47
    Paul Waner		1950		94.12%		        1		        Right Field	        Pittsburgh Pirates (NL)		        1926-1945		          20		        Living - Age 60		47
    Mickey Welch*		1920 (VC)	75.00%			VC			Pitcher		        New York Giants (NL)			1880-1892			  13			Deceased (1859-1941)	61
    Willie Wells*`		1952 (VC)	90.90%		        VC		        Shortstop		St. Louis Stars (NNL)		        1924-1948		          25		        Living - Age 58		47
    Zack Wheat		1932		87.50%			1			Left Field	        Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL)		1909-1927			  10			Living - Age 75		44
    Deacon White		1904		76.00%			4			Catcher/Third Base	Buffalo Bisons (NL)		        1871-1890			  20			Deceased (1847-1939)	57
    Smokey Joe Williams*`	1947 (VC)	100%		        VC		        Pitcher		        Homestead Grays (I/ANL)			1905-1932		          28		        Deceased (1895-1946)	Deceased
    Vic Willis		1919		77.78%			5			Pitcher		        Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL)		1898-1910			  13			Deceased (1876-1947)	43
    Jud Wilson*`		1952 (VC)	90.90%		        VC		        Third Base		Baltimore Black Sox (I/ECL/ANL)		1922-1939		          18		        Deceased (1894-1963)	53
    George Wright^		1907		75.00%			7			Shortstop	        Boston Red Stockings (NA)		1871-1882			  12			Deceased (1847-1937)	60
    Cy Young		1916		100%			1			Pitcher		        Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL)		1890-1911			  22			Deceased (1867-1955)	49
    
    * = Elected by Veterans Committee
    ^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
    ` = Played in the Negro Leagues
    Players Elected by Primary Position
    Catcher (12): Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Louis Santop, Deacon White
    First Base (14): Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Buck Leonard, Johnny Mize, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry
    Second Base (16): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Larry Doyle, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby, Napoleon Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Bill Monroe, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson
    Third Base (10): Frank Baker, John Beckwith, Jimmy Collins, Ray Dandridge, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Tommy Leach, Ezra Sutton, Pie Traynor, Jud Wilson
    Shortstop (20): Luke Appling, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Herman Long, Dick Lundy, Rabbit Maranville, Dickey Pearce, Joe Sewell, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, Willie Wells, George Wright
    Left Field (14): Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Monte Irvin, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Jim O'Rourke, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat
    Center Field (21): Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Pete Hill, Paul Hines, Alejandro Oms, Lip Pike, Spotswood Poles, Edd Roush, Jimmy Ryan, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, George Van Haltren
    Right Field (10): Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Harry Heilmann, Willie Keeler, Mel Ott, Sam Rice, Babe Ruth, Sam Thompson, Paul Waner
    Pitcher (46): Pete Alexander, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Andy Cooper, Wilbur Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Dizzy Dean, Red Faber, Bob Feller, Wes Ferrell, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Lefty Gomez, Clark Griffith, Burleigh Grimes, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Ted Lyons, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jose Mendez, Tony Mullane, Hal Newhouser, Kid Nichols, Satchel Paige, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Dick Redding, Eppa Rixey, Bullet Rogan, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie, Hilton Smith, Al Spalding, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Mickey Welch, Smokey Joe Williams, Vic Willis, Cy Young

    Players Elected by Year
    Code:
    1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
    1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
    1903 (1): Pud Galvin
    1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
    1905 (1): Bid McPhee
    1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
    1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
    1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
    1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
    1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
    1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
    1912 (0):
    1913 (2): Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
    1914 (1): George Davis
    1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
    1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
    1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
    1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
    1919 (1): Vic Willis
    1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
    - 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
    1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
    1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
    1923 (0):
    1924 (1): Sherry Magee
    1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
    - 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
    1926 (1): Larry Doyle
    1927 (2): Frank Baker, Hughie Jennings
    1928 (0):
    1929 (1): Addie Joss
    1930 (0):
    - 1930 VC (1): Jimmy Ryan
    1931 (0):
    1932 (3): Frank Chance, Walter Johnson, Zack Wheat
    1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
    1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
    1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
    - 1935 VC (0):
    1936 (1): Heinie Groh
    1937 (1): Harry Heilmann
    1938 (0):
    1939 (0):
    1940 (3): Red Faber, Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
    - 1940 VC (2): Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach
    1941 (1): Bill Terry
    1942 (5): Mickey Cochrane, Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Sewell, Pie Traynor
    1943 (2): Goose Goslin, Edd Roush
    1944 (1): Lou Gehrig
    1945 (0):
    - 1945 VC (1): Jimmy Sheckard
    1946 (2): Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett
    1947 (2): Earl Averill, Charlie Gehringer
    - 1947 Negro League Players VC (19): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Willie Foster, Josh Gibson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, 
    Jose Mendez, Bill Monroe, Alejandro Oms, Spotswood Poles, Dick Redding, Bullet Rogan, Louis Santop, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, Smokey Joe Williams
    1948 (2): Dizzy Dean, Carl Hubbell
    1949 (2): Ted Lyons, Al Simmons
    1950 (3): Joe Cronin, Jimmie Foxx, Paul Waner
    - 1950 VC (1): Wilbur Cooper
    1951 (2): Bill Dickey, Red Ruffing
    1952 (4): Hank Greenberg, Stan Hack, Billy Herman, Mel Ott
    - 1952 Negro League Players VC (8): James "Cool Papa" Bell, Martin Dihigo, Buck Leonard, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
    1953 (2): Joe Medwick, Arky Vaughan
    1954 (0):
    1955 (3): Luke Appling, Wes Ferrell, Joe Gordon
    - 1955 VC (3): Rabbit Maranville, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey
    1956 (2): Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr
    1957 (1): Lou Boudreau
    - 1957 Negro League Players VC (3): Ray Brown, Leon Day, Satchel Paige
    1958 (1): Johnny Mize
    1959 (0):
    1960 (2): Ralph Kiner, Hal Newhouser
    - 1960 VC (1): Burleigh Grimes
    1961 (2): Bob Feller, Jackie Robinson
    1962 (2): Roy Campanella, Lefty Gomez
    - 1962 Negro League Players VC (3): Ray Dandridge, Monte Irvin, Hilton Smith
    Players Elected by Primary Decade
    1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
    1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    1890s (19): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Frank Grant, Clark Griffith, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren
    1900s (24): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Tommy Leach, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Bill Monroe, Eddie Plank, Jimmy Sheckard, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis, Cy Young
    1910s (17): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker, Max Carey, Wilbur Cooper, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Heinie Groh, Walter Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Sherry Magee, Jose Mendez, Spotswood Poles, Louis Santop, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat, Smokey Joe Williams
    1920s (25): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Frankie Frisch, Goose Goslin, Burleigh Grimes, Harry Heilmann, Rogers Hornsby, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Rabbit Maranville, Alejandro Oms, Dick Redding, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey, Bullet Rogan, Edd Roush, Babe Ruth, George Sisler, Joe Sewell, Cristobal Torriente, Pie Traynor, Dazzy Vance
    1930s (35): Luke Appling, Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Ray Brown, Mickey Cochrane, Joe Cronin, Dizzy Dean, Bill Dickey, Martin Dihigo, Wes Ferrell, Willie Foster, Jimmie Foxx, Charlie Gehringer, Lou Gehrig, Josh Gibson, Lefty Gomez, Hank Greenberg, Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, Carl Hubbell, Ted Lyons, Joe Medwick, Mel Ott, Satchel Paige, Red Ruffing, Al Simmons, Hilton Smith, Turkey Stearnes, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry, Arky Vaughan, Paul Waner, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
    1940s (11): Lou Boudreau, Leon Day, Ray Dandridge, Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr, Bob Feller, Joe Gordon, Stan Hack, Monte Irvin, Johnny Mize, Hal Newhouser
    1950s (3): Roy Campanella, Ralph Kiner, Jackie Robinson

    Players Elected by Primary Organization
    Bacharach Giants (I, ECL) (1): Dick Lundy
    Baltimore Black Sox (I, ECL, ANL) (1): Jud Wilson
    Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
    Baltimore Orioles (fka St. Louis Browns) (AL) (2): George Sisler, Bobby Wallace
    Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
    Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (4): Bobby Doerr, Jimmy Collins, Joe Cronin, Cy Young
    Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
    Brooklyn Royal Giants (I, ECL, NNL) (3): Grant Johnson, Bill Monroe, Dick Redding
    Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
    Chicago American Giants (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (3): Willie Foster, Pete Hill, Cristobal Torriente
    Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (12): Cap Anson, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, Clark Griffith, George Gore, Stan Hack, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan, Jimmy Sheckard
    Chicago Giants (NNL) (1): John Beckwith
    Chicago White Sox (AL) (5): Luke Appling, Eddie Collins, Red Faber, Ted Lyons, Ed Walsh
    Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (5): Heinie Groh, Bid McPhee, Tony Mullane, Eppa Rixey, Edd Roush
    Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
    Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (10): Earl Averill, Lou Boudreau, Stan Coveleski, Bob Feller, Wes Ferrell, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Joe Sewell, Tris Speaker
    Cleveland Spiders (NL) (2): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs
    Cuban Giants (I, MSL) (1): Frank Grant
    Cuban Stars (East) (I, ECL, ANL) (2): Martin Dihigo, Alejandro Oms
    Detroit Stars (I, NNL, NAL) (1): Turkey Stearnes
    Detroit Tigers (AL) (6): Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford, Charlie Gehringer, Hank Greenberg, Harry Heilmann, Hal Newhouser
    Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
    Hilldale Daises (I, ECL, ANL, EWL) (2): Biz Mackey, Louis Santop
    Homestead Grays (I, ANL, NNL) (4): Ray Brown, Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard, Smokey Joe Williams
    Indianapolis ABCs (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (1): Oscar Charleston
    Kansas City Atheltics (fka Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (7): Frank Baker, Mickey Cochrane, Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove, Eddie Plank, Al Simmons, Rube Waddell
    Kansas City Monarchs (I, NNL, NAL) (5): Willie Foster, Jose Mendez, Satchel Paige, Bullet Rogan, Hilton Smith
    Lincoln Giants (I, ECL, ANL) (1): John Henry Lloyd
    Lincoln Stars (I) (1): Spotswood Poles
    Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
    Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Robins) (NL) (5): Roy Campanella, Burleigh Grimes, Jackie Robinson, Dazzy Vance, Zack Wheat
    Milwaukee Braves (fka Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (11): Ross Barnes, John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Rabbit Maranville, Cal McVey, Kid Nichols, Al Spalding, Ezra Sutton, Vic Willis, George Wright
    Minnesota Twins (fka Washington Senators) (AL) (3): Goose Goslin, Walter Johnson, Sam Rice
    New York Yankees (AL) (6): Bill Dickey, Joe DiMaggio, Lou Gehrig, Lefty Gomez, Joe Gordon, Red Ruffing, Babe Ruth
    Newark Eagles (NNL) (4): Ray Dandridge, Leon Day, Monte Irvin, Mule Suttles
    Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
    Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (5): Pete Alexander, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Sam Thompson
    Pittsburgh Crawfords (NNL) (1): James "Cool Papa" Bell
    Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (10): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Wilbur Cooper, Ralph Kiner, Tommy Leach, Pie Traynor, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Paul Waner
    Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
    San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (16): Roger Bresnahan, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Frankie Frisch, Carl Hubbell, Tim Keefe, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Mel Ott, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
    St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (5): Bob Caruthers, Dizzy Dean, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Medwick, Johnny Mize
    St. Louis Stars (NNL) (1): Willie Wells

    Hall of Fame Contributors Wing
    Contributors Elected - 23
    Code:
    Contributor   	Year Elected	Contribution		Living/Deceased			Age at Election
    Doc Adams        1925		Pioneer			Deceased (1814-1899)		Deceased
    Ed Barrow        1941		General Manager		Deceased (1868-1953)		Deceased
    Alex Cartwright  1925		Pioneer			Deceased (1820-1892)		Deceased
    Henry Chadwick   1925		Writer			Deceased (1824-1908)		Deceased
    Charlie Comiskey 1925		Owner		        Deceased (1859-1931)		66
    Tom Connolly	 1956		Umpire		        Deceased (1870-1961)	        86
    Jim Creighton    1925		Pioneer			Deceased (1841-1862)		Deceased
    Rube Foster      1930		Manager/Executive	Deceased (1879-1930)		Deceased
    Miller Huggins   1941		Manager			Deceased (1879-1929)		Deceased
    William Hulbert  1925		NL President		Deceased (1832-1882)		Deceased
    Ned Hanlon       1936		Manager			Deceased (1857-1937)		79
    Ban Johnson      1936		AL President		Deceased (1864-1931)		Deceased	
    Bill Klem        1941		Umpire			Deceased (1874-1951)		67
    Kenesaw Landis	 1951		Commissioner		Deceased (1866-1944)		Deceased
    Connie Mack      1930		Manager/Owner	        Deceased (1862-1956)		68
    Joe McCarthy	 1951		Manager			Living - Age 76			64
    John McGraw      1936		Manager			Deceased (1873-1934)		Deceased
    Al Reach         1946		Owner		        Deceased (1840-1928)		Deceased
    Francis Richter  1941		Writer			Deceased (1854-1926)		Deceased
    Branch Rickey    1946		General Manager		Living - Age 82			65
    Frank Selee      1936		Manager			Deceased (1859-1909)		Deceased
    AG Spalding*     1930		Executive		Deceased (1850-1915)		Deceased
    Harry Wright     1925		Manager			Deceased (1835-1895)		Deceased
    
    * = Also elected as a player
    Contributors Elected by Primary Contribution
    Commissioner (1): Kenesaw Landis
    General Manager (2): Ed Barrow, Branch Rickey
    League President (2): William Hulbert, Ban Johnson
    Manager (6): Miller Huggins, Ned Hanlon, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Frank Selee, Harry Wright
    Owner (3): Charlie Comiskey, Al Reach, AG Spalding
    Pioneer (3): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Jim Creighton
    Umpire (2): Tom Connolly, Bill Klem
    Writer (2): Henry Chadwick, Francis Richter

    Contributors Elected by Primary Team
    Chicago American Giants (NNL) (1): Rube Foster
    Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NA, NL) (1): AG Spalding
    Chicago White Sox (AL) (1): Charlie Comiskey
    Excelsior of Brooklyn (NAB) (1): Jim Creighton
    Kansas City Athletics (fka Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (1): Connie Mack
    Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Superbas) (AA, NL) (1): Ned Hanlon
    Milwaukee Braves (fka Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Caps, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (2): Frank Selee, Harry Wright
    New York Knickerbockers (NAB) (2): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright
    New York Yankees (AL) (2): Miller Huggins, Joe McCarthy
    Philadelphia Phillies (fka Quakers) (NL) (1): Al Reach
    San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (1): John McGraw
    St. Louis Cardinals (AA, NL) (1): Branch Rickey

    Contributors Elected by Year
    1925 (7): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Harry Wright, William Hulbert, Charlie Comiskey, Jim Creighton
    1930 (3): Rube Foster, Connie Mack, AG Spalding
    1936 (4): Ned Hanlon, Ban Johnson, John McGraw, Frank Selee
    1941 (4): Miller Huggins, Bill Klem, Francis Richter, Ed Barrow
    1946 (3): Al Reach, Branch Rickey
    1951 (2): Kenesaw Landis, Joe McCarthy
    1956 (1): Tom Connolly
    1961 (0):

    Miscellaneous Information
    - Highest Regular Election Percentage: Cap Anson, Luke Appling, Bob Feller, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Charlie Gehringer, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Kid Nichols, Mel Ott, Tris Speaker, Arky Vaughan, Cy Young – 100%
    - Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 72
    - Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Lefty Gomez, Addie Joss, Al Spalding – 15
    - Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 10
    - Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 48
    - Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 17
    - Number of Players Elected by Negro League Players Veterans Committee: 33
    - Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: 71.43% - Bob Elliot (1962)
    - Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907, 1942)
    - Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1938, 1939, 1945, 1954, 1959)
    - Most Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 7 (1920)
    - Most Negro League Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 19 (1947)
    - Fewest Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 0 (1935)
    - Fewest Negro League Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 3 (1957, 1962)
    - Largest Ballot: 78 Players (1901)
    - Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 50 Players (1952)
    - Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
    - Most Votes Cast: 37 (1942)
    - Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
    - Team With Most Players Elected: San Francisco Giants - 16
    - Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 12
    - Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Satchel Paige, Smokey Joe Williams - 28
    - Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
    - Members Elected as Both Players and Contributors: Al Spalding
    - Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
    - Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – 78
    - Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 27
    - Number of Posthumously Elected Contributors: 16
    - Number of Living Hall of Famers: 64
    - Number of Deceased Hall of Famers: 115
    - Oldest Living Hall of Famer: Elmer Flick - Age 87
    - Deceased in Past Year: Frank Baker (1886-1963), Rogers Hornsby (1896-1963), Grant Johnson (1874-1963), Eppa Rixey (1891-1963), Jud Wilson (1894-1963)

    Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections
    Code:
    1901: 20
    1902: 24
    1903: 26
    1904: 25
    1905: 24
    1906: 23
    1907: 24
    1908: 25
    1909: 22
    1910: 25
    1911: 25
    1912: 23
    1913: 23
    1914: 26
    1915: 25
    1916: 25
    1917: 25
    1918: 24
    1919: 27
    1920: 26
    1921: 31
    1922: 28
    1923: 25
    1924: 29
    1925: 24
    1926: 25
    1927: 28
    1928: 27
    1929: 25
    1930: 25
    1931: 32
    1932: 24
    1933: 29
    1934: 28
    1935: 33
    1936: 32
    1937: 34
    1938: 30
    1939: 32
    1940: 34
    1941: 35
    1942: 37
    1943: 30
    1944: 27
    1945: 29
    1946: 27
    1947: 28
    1948: 26
    1949: 25
    1950: 34
    1951: 35
    1952: 31
    1953: 34
    1954: 32
    1955: 28
    1956: 27
    1957: 30
    1958: 30
    1959: 24
    1960: 27
    1961: 26
    1962: 21
    Links to Past Elections
    Last edited by Ace Venom; 10-11-2009 at 12:37 PM.
    The Hawk has landed. Congratulations, Andre Dawson. You deserved it.

    10 14 23 26 31 31 42

    What's missing? Retire #8 for Andre Dawson.

  2. Bridges
    Elliott
    Johnson
    Kell
    Keller
    Klein
    Lemon
    Lombardi
    Reese
    Reynolds
    Stevens
    Trosky
    Walker
    Walters
    Warneke

    I had 14 originally, so I voted for Keller to make it a full 15.

  3. Join Date
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    My ballot:

    Tommy Bridges
    Dom DiMaggio
    Bob Elliot
    Bob Johnson
    George Kell
    Charlie Keller
    Chuck Klein
    Bob Lemon
    Ernie Lombardi
    Pee Wee Reese
    Allie Reynolds
    Phil Rizzuto
    Al Rosen
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke
    The Hawk has landed. Congratulations, Andre Dawson. You deserved it.

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    What's missing? Retire #8 for Andre Dawson.

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    Elliott
    Keller
    Lemon
    Reese
    Rizzuto
    Walters
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    --With Gomez joining Ferrell in our Hall it gets harder to justify not voting for Tommy Bridges. Bridges has a higher ERA+ and more IP than either Ferrell or Gomez, despite losing at least a couple years to WWII.

  6. Ubiquitous: why just Dom Dimaggio?

  7. I think Bob Lemon is someone worth discussing as he's not received much attention in general on the site. He doesn't overwhelm and was helped but having good teams behind him, but he kept chugging along as a workhorse.

    He had an interesting start to his career - He started in the minors as a position player (mostly 3B), missed three years to military service, comes back in 1946 at age 25, and pitches 96 innings in the big leagues despite having pitched just 2 career minor league innings before that, and none in 5 years. Two years later, he has his first of seven 20 win seasons and leads the league for the first of four times in IP.

    Some points of note about Lemon:

    - 3x Sporting News Pitcher of the Year (this was before there was a Cy Young award)

    - 7x All Star

    - 119 career ERA+

    - 7x 20 Game Winner; 3x led league

    - 4x led league in IP; 8x in top 5

    - 3x in top 3 in MVP voting; 6x in top 10

    - 207 wins in just 13 seasons

    - 5x led league in complete games; 8x in top 5

    In an era that perhaps due to WWII, didn't really have its share of notable pitchers, I believe Lemon, due to his great reliability, stands out about as much as anyone after Spahn, Feller, and Roberts.

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    Bridges
    DiMaggio
    Elliott
    Johnson
    Keller
    Lemon
    Reese
    Rizzuto
    Walters
    This is an actual case of the truth.

  9. With Lefty Gomez elected, I've decided to stick with Tommy Bridges. Add to him:

    Dom DiMaggio
    Bob Elliott
    Bob Johnson
    Charlie Keller
    Bob Lemon
    Pee Wee Reese
    Phil Rizzuto
    Al Rosen
    Vern Stephens

  10. Bridges
    DiMaggio
    Elliot
    Lemon
    Maglie
    Reese
    Rosen
    Walters
    Warneke

    Maglie is an interesting player. He has a 127 ERA+ in 1827 IP, with W, ERA, Pct., Sho league leaderships to his credit along with 2 H/9 and 3 ERA+ crowns. When you consider because of the Mexican League suspension (and WW2) he didn't get a shot until he was 33 its a very impressive career.

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  12. bumping up....looks like Pee Wee is a lock but nobody else has much of a chance.
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  13. Tommy Bridges
    Bob Elliott
    Bob Johnson
    George Kell
    Chuck Klein
    Bob Lemon
    Dutch Leonard
    Ernie Lombardi
    Pee Wee Reese
    Phil Rizzuto
    Al Rosen
    Vern Stephens
    Dixie Walker
    Bucky Walters
    Lon Warneke


    1. Chuck Klein
    2. Bob Johnson
    3. Ernie Lombardi
    4. Vern Stephens
    5. Pee Wee Reese
    6. Bob Elliott
    7. Bob Lemon
    8. Bucky Walters
    9. Al Rosen
    10. Tommy Bridges
    11. Lon Warneke
    12. Dixie Walker
    13. George Kell
    14. Dutch Leonard
    15. Phil Rizzuto

  14. We haven't elected a catcher in quite some time. 2 catchers on the current ballot (Ernie Lombardi and Walker Cooper) are at least worthy of discussion. I think Lombardi is worthy of our Hall, and I think I borderlined Cooper in the last election.

    I was wondering: what are everyone's thoughts on the positional standards at catcher, particularly as they've evolved into the present day? Given durability constraints and the physical toll of playing the position, Hall standards seem nebulous, to say the least. Is a player like Walker Cooper worthy of our Hall?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Fielding Marshall View Post
    I was wondering: what are everyone's thoughts on the positional standards at catcher, particularly as they've evolved into the present day? Given durability constraints and the physical toll of playing the position, Hall standards seem nebulous, to say the least. Is a player like Walker Cooper worthy of our Hall?
    The BBF Progressive HoF has 12 catchers, more than we have 3B and more than we have RF. I think at 1B and LF we only have 14 players. I don't think our catcher numbers are really too far down. 1 or 2 of our catchers are mistakes: Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan.

    I am voting for Lombardi. Even if I wasn't, he is still a much better candidates than Bennett and Bresnahan. Cooper I think is in the Bennett/Bresnahan/Schang level. I'm not a supporter of Cooper, although he should be brought up into the conversation more often, especially since the other are.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Fielding Marshall View Post
    We haven't elected a catcher in quite some time. 2 catchers on the current ballot (Ernie Lombardi and Walker Cooper) are at least worthy of discussion. I think Lombardi is worthy of our Hall, and I think I borderlined Cooper in the last election.

    I was wondering: what are everyone's thoughts on the positional standards at catcher, particularly as they've evolved into the present day? Given durability constraints and the physical toll of playing the position, Hall standards seem nebulous, to say the least. Is a player like Walker Cooper worthy of our Hall?
    I think we've been pretty tough on catchers, really just sticking to the elite (whereas we've been more expansive at other positions). I think part of it is that it's a difficult position to assess because of the hardships inherent in the position.

    Lombardi would probably have been elected long ago if he wasn't viewed as a liability defensively and on the bases. I vote for him because I think being one of the greatest offensive catchers ever does have rare value, but I can understand why he's struggling.

    Earlier on, I think we missed on Deacon McGuire, whose combination of production and longevity at the catcher position were extraordinarily rare in historical context at that time, and he was really a forerunner of the "modern" catcher.

    Anyway, we've made it pretty clear that to make it in our Hall as a catcher, particularly in the 20th Century, you really have to stand out as one of the all time bests. So I don't think that leaves much hope for the recent crop of very good but not historically great catchers such as Del Crandall, Walker Cooper, Sherm Lollar, and Smoky Burgess. As long as we get an elite or two per generation, as we did this one with Yogi Berra and Roy Campanella, there will likely be enough top talent to keep prevent a reassessment of our standards.

    Still, I think when compared to our general standards for all positions, this Hall would seem to be large enough to encompass players like Ernie Lombardi, Wally Schang, and Deacon McGuire at catcher.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by dgarza View Post
    The BBF Progressive HoF has 12 catchers, more than we have 3B and more than we have RF. I think at 1B and LF we only have 14 players. I don't think our catcher numbers are really too far down. 1 or 2 of our catchers are mistakes: Charlie Bennett, Roger Bresnahan.

    I am voting for Lombardi. Even if I wasn't, he is still a much better candidates than Bennett and Bresnahan. Cooper I think is in the Bennett/Bresnahan/Schang level. I'm not a supporter of Cooper, although he should be brought up into the conversation more often, especially since the other are.
    I don't agree at all about Lombardi being a much better candidate than Bresnahan.

    CAREER WIN SHARES
    Bresnahan - 231
    Lombardi - 218

    BEST THREE SEASONS
    Bresnahan - 29, 27, 27
    Lombardi - 24, 18, 17

    WIN SHARES per 162
    Bresnahan - 25.88
    Lombardi - 19.06

    All Lombardi did of note was win a couple of batting titles, one of them with barely over 350 plate appearances. They each had the same career OPS+ of 126. Lombardi was a brutal defensive player and perhaps the worst baserunner ever. Bresnahan was a good defensive player and perhaps the best baserunning catcher of all time (212 stolen bases). Bresnahan invented the shin guards. The only argument against him as a hall of famer is that his career was very short. He was clearly one of the best players in his league during his prime.

    Lombardi was nowhere near as good as Bresnahan.
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  18. Bennett was no slouch either. From 1888-1888 he had a OPS+ of over 140. Combining (what I understand was) top level defense with a very high level peak makes him the best catcher post Ewing arguably until Hartnett, Cochrane and Dickey came along.

  19. I still think we are OK with our catching standards.

    But factor that is hurting catchers are their short careers. We've only had 11 catchers eligible (1871-1958, and Berra isn't eligible) so far with 6000+ PAs. Most other positions have at least 30 players.

    Code:
      Cnt Player              PA  From  To   Ages   G
    +----+-----------------+-----+----+----+-----+----+
        1 Gabby Hartnett     7297 1922 1941 21-40 1990 
        2 Rick Ferrell       7072 1929 1947 23-41 1884 
        3 Bill Dickey        7060 1928 1946 21-39 1789 
        4 Deacon McGuire     6932 1884 1912 20-48 1781 
        5 Al Lopez           6607 1928 1947 19-38 1950 
        6 Yogi Berra         6566 1946 1958 21-33 1596 
        7 Wally Schang       6423 1913 1931 23-41 1842 
        8 Ernie Lombardi     6349 1931 1947 23-39 1853 
        9 Duke Farrell       6254 1888 1905 21-38 1563 
       10 Ray Schalk         6217 1912 1929 19-36 1762 
       11 Mickey Cochrane    6206 1925 1937 22-34 1482 
       12 Luke Sewell        6041 1921 1942 20-41 1630
    Of course, this should not be surprising or new.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by dgarza View Post
    Code:
      Cnt Player              PA  From  To   Ages   G
    +----+-----------------+-----+----+----+-----+----+
        1 Gabby Hartnett     7297 1922 1941 21-40 1990 
        2 Rick Ferrell       7072 1929 1947 23-41 1884 
        3 Bill Dickey        7060 1928 1946 21-39 1789 
        4 Deacon McGuire     6932 1884 1912 20-48 1781 
        5 Al Lopez           6607 1928 1947 19-38 1950 
        6 Yogi Berra         6566 1946 1958 21-33 1596 
        7 Wally Schang       6423 1913 1931 23-41 1842 
        8 Ernie Lombardi     6349 1931 1947 23-39 1853 
        9 Duke Farrell       6254 1888 1905 21-38 1563 
       10 Ray Schalk         6217 1912 1929 19-36 1762 
       11 Mickey Cochrane    6206 1925 1937 22-34 1482 
       12 Luke Sewell        6041 1921 1942 20-41 1630
    This is why I think Deacon McGuire deserves more consideration. With the exception of Duke Farrell, McGuire's career started 20 years earlier than everyone else on the list, and almost 40 years earlier than most on the list. McGuire can also be separated from Farrell due to the fact that McGuire caught 600 more games than Farrell.

    McGuire's durability and longevity were extremely remarkable for a catcher for the first 50 years or so we're looking at. Throw in the fact that he could produce to, posting a 101 OPS+ over what was then by far the longest career for a catcher, and I think we should have a spot for him (though this is really a VC argument at this point).

    Also, I agree with you that the relatively short careers of catchers (and typically low production) is hurting them, which is why it might be worth questioning whether we should temper our career length expectations for catchers. Though, as I mentioned above, this is complicated by the fact that we do seem to get some catchers each of the past few generations that bucks the trend and stands out in terms of longevity and productivity, thereby seemingly satisfying our need to elect a catcher. However, what I think the difference is between catchers and most other positions is that we've mostly been limiting ourselves to that small elite group, whereas with other positions, I think we've been more generous (particularly at SS, CF, 2B, and SP).

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX View Post
    we do seem to get some catchers each of the past few generations that bucks the trend and stands out in terms of longevity and productivity, thereby seemingly satisfying our need to elect a catcher.
    The trend is definately there (here). We are seeing more catchers being used as primary catchers.
    14 of the Top 23 seasons for PAs for catchers have been in the last 15 years (1948-1962):
    Code:
      Cnt Player             PA Year Age Tm
    +----+-----------------+---+----+---+---+
        1 Yogi Berra        656 1950  25 NYY 
        2 Yogi Berra        652 1954  29 NYY 
        3 Frankie Hayes     647 1944  29 PHA 
        4 Mickey Cochrane   625 1932  29 PHA 
        5 Buck Rodgers      624 1962  23 LAA 
        6 Stan Lopata       624 1956  30 PHI 
        7 Ray Mueller       618 1944  32 CIN 
        8 Yogi Berra        615 1955  30 NYY 
        9 Bill Dickey       608 1937  30 NYY 
       10 Mickey Cochrane   606 1929  26 PHA 
       11 Yogi Berra        605 1952  27 NYY 
       12 Sammy White       603 1955  26 BOS 
       13 Muddy Ruel        599 1924  28 WSH 
       14 Yogi Berra        597 1956  31 NYY 
       15 Del Crandall      596 1960  30 MLN 
       16 Yogi Berra        594 1951  26 NYY 
       17 Earl Battey       591 1962  27 MIN 
       18 Roy Campanella    590 1953  31 BRO 
       19 Deacon McGuire    583 1895  31 WHS 
       20 Del Crandall      581 1959  29 MLN 
       21 Cy Perkins        581 1921  25 PHA 
       22 Johnny Romano     580 1961  26 CLE 
       23 Rick Ferrell      580 1933  27 TOT

  22. I seem to recall we (or I) had this catcher career issue maybe with Johnny Kling or at least around the 1900s 1910s, before being gently reminded, perhaps by Double X about the brevity of catcher's careers compared with other positions. Its interesting in its own way that this still is an issue. It is much harder to separate out the realities of the position (and its effect on career length) with what we otherwise expect from a HOF player than it would seem at first blush.

  23. Schang, Kling, Schalk and McGuire were all close enough for me to support when they were on the ballot.

    For me to vote for Lombardi, I'd have to be convinced that either his offense compares favorably to some of the 1B and corner OF players we have elected, or that his defensive issues and lack of speed were either greatly exaggerated or did not hurt his team. IMO, if someone wants to make a case for Lombardi, it should be in comparison to other poor defensive players we have elected at other positions and not to other catchers.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    For me to vote for Lombardi, I'd have to be convinced that either his offense compares favorably to some of the 1B and corner OF players we have elected, or that his defensive issues and lack of speed were either greatly exaggerated or did not hurt his team. IMO, if someone wants to make a case for Lombardi, it should be in comparison to other poor defensive players we have elected at other positions and not to other catchers.
    I might be misinterpreting, but I don't really see that as fair. Lombardi may have been a poor defensive catcher, but it's very much to his credit that he was able to catch and give his teams rare offensive output from that position. By comparing him to 1Bman and corner OFers, you'd be putting him on an even plane with them, ignoring the inherent hardships that come with catching (even bad catching) and the premium of offense at the position. He shouldn't be punished for being a catcher, but he would be in a straight comparison with other positions because as a catcher, he's at a major disadvantage to produce. Rather, if he should be punished for anything it's that he was a bad defensive catcher compared to other catchers.

    Offensively, Lombardi's offense compares favorably to just about any catcher. The question then is how much does his defense (and running) set him back.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    IMO, if someone wants to make a case for Lombardi, it should be in comparison to other poor defensive players we have elected at other positions and not to other catchers.
    Not sure how you would adjust for position (if at all), but we'll remember that Heilmann and Kiner were also poor defenders. Their offense was more potent than Lombardi's, but he was a catcher.

    Sisler and Magee were not as bad defenders as Heilmann and Kiner, but they were below average all the same.

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