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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    With video I've been able to show students that they appeared to be successful in centering the bat on the ball, yet drove the ball into the ground.
    How can you center the ball but drive it into the ground, unless you hit it very early on in the swing (on the way down, before the swing bottoms out)?
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    Is this an example of the wrists rolling too early?



    He pounds this ball into the ground (to 3B), probably because he tried to pull an outside pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    Is this an example of the wrists rolling too early?



    He pounds this ball into the ground (to 3B), probably because he tried to pull an outside pitch.
    No Chris. I think you should listen to Kylebee. You aren't going to see this issue at the professional level. You'll need to look elsewhere for the clips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylebee View Post
    It happens all the time with amateur hitters. You don't get far when you have this problem. This is why you don't see it.
    Alright.

    Let me look at some of my youth footage.

    P.S. I will say that I wonder if some of this is a strength thing that is hard to fix, except with age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    Alright.

    Let me look at some of my youth footage.

    P.S. I will say that I wonder if some of this is a strength thing that is hard to fix, except with age.
    Gosh darn it Chris ... it's SIMPLE to fix.

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    I think in the movie Mr Baseball w/ Tom Selleck, the Japanese points out that Tom rolls his wrist early creating a hole in his swing. I know its only a movie, but at least it relates,

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAball View Post
    I think in the movie Mr Baseball w/ Tom Selleck, the Japanese points out that Tom rolls his wrist early creating a hole in his swing. I know its only a movie, but at least it relates,
    But we've already established that it's not a problem with adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    But we've already established that it's not a problem with adults.

    You claim to work with pros, and yet you don't know if prematurely rolling one's wrists is an issue or not?

    C'mon Chris ... is this thread a joke? Are you being totally serious? Do you really wonder if rolling the wrists early is an issue? Have you tried doing this in the cages with success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    You claim to work with pros, and yet you don't know if prematurely rolling one's wrists is an issue or not?
    Where's an example of it?

    I'm going through my clips and have yet to find one.


    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    C'mon Chris ... is this thread a joke? Are you being totally serious? Do you really wonder if rolling the wrists early is an issue? Have you tried doing this in the cages with success?
    I'm starting to think two things...

    1. Other problems are being misdiagnosed as having to do with wrist rolling.
    2. Wrist action is a non-teach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    But we've already established that it's not a problem with adults.
    By whom, just the people at BBF? I like most people here, but by no means can any of there opinions go unquestioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    Where's an example of it?

    I'm going through my clips and have yet to find one.
    You don't get to the Major Leagues by rolling your wrists more often than you do not. Simple as that.

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    Let's take a look at a very typical 9YO youth swing, the result of which was a hard line drive to RCF.



    I would rate this lower body action as above average, but I also see a major, but pretty common, problem with bat drag (and borderline lunging).

    Throughout this swing, and to a degree because of the bat drag, this hitter has no problem maintaining a Palm Up Palm Down attitude. This is even aided by the bat drag and how that causes the bat to quickly start rotating in a plane perpendicular to the spine.

    No wrist rolling takes place in this swing until the frame after the POC, and I have a hard time believing, because of the bat drag, that any wrist rolling is going to take place until this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkman#17 View Post
    You don't get to the Major Leagues by rolling your wrists more often than you do not. Simple as that.
    And I think that some to many of the problems that some people are attributing to wrist rolling are actually being caused by something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    And I think that some to many of the problems that some people are attributing to wrist rolling are actually being caused by something else.
    There are some things that can cause wrist rolling besides the wrists themselves, but those are accentuated by poor wrist action. Proper wrist action pretty much eliminates wrist rolling except when completely fooled, lose your weight forward, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkman#17 View Post
    There are some things that can cause wrist rolling besides the wrists themselves, but those are accentuated by poor wrist action. Proper wrist action pretty much eliminates wrist rolling except when completely fooled, lose your weight forward, etc...
    Do you have visual evidence to back up this belief?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    Where's an example of it?
    Have you demonstrated a more powerful swing using a premature wrist rollover technique?

    As a coach, I've dealt with this on several occasions. How can you claim to be an expert an not know this? Something isn't adding up here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    I'm starting to think two things...

    1. Other problems are being misdiagnosed as having to do with wrist rolling.
    2. Wrist action is a non-teach.
    Well, you're pretty darn close with #2.

    The cure for solving an issue with premature wrist rollover often does not involve making an adjust with the wrists ... but I've told you that before.
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    I have a player on my 11U team that is barely being taught how to bat correctly. He has it ingrained in him about turning his wrists over right as the ball is coming into the POC. It almost as if the back of the hand is facing the pitcher and the back hand is facing the batter on impact. consequently the back hand rolls over the front hand on the follow through. Rarely will he hit the ball on anything other than a grounder. Lau Jr.'s top hand bottom hand drills are working wonders for this kid and it's great to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    Let's take a look at a very typical 9YO youth swing, the result of which was a hard line drive to RCF.

    What are you selling here?

    This kid looks to be in a batting cage of some sort ... and you're telling me that he hit the ball to RCF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    Do you have visual evidence to back up this belief?
    Do you have any game experience to say that it doesn't happen?

    I don't have clips. Don't really need em anyway. This is common sense stuff, Chris.

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