Is Rolling the Wrists Actually a Problem?

[hitnpeas]

All I'm doing is questioning assumptions.

Like it or not, that's how you make progress and advance your knowledge.

If you want to get to the truth, you can't be afraid to ask stupid questions or question things that everyone thinks they know.

You also have to understand that you're going to take flack from certain types of people.

Did you or did you not play Minor League Baseball?

[Chris O'Leary]

Did you or did you not play Minor League Baseball?

No.

I never played beyond grade school due to shoulder problems.

I tried to play in college (D-3) and I could hit, but my arm would go dead whenever I tried to really let the ball fly when throwing.

[hitnpeas]

No.

I never played beyond grade school due to shoulder problems.

I tried to play in college (D-3) and I could hit, but my arm would go dead whenever I tried to really let the ball fly when throwing.

Ok thanks... I guess I will have to go back and re-read the pm exchange we had when I first joined this site.

[Chris O'Leary]

Ok thanks... I guess I will have to go back and re-read the pm exchange we had when I first joined this site.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[hitnpeas]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, maybe I did not read it correctly. You said you were a "semi-pro" so I assumed baseball player. Maybe you meant semi-pro hitting instructor. You can't get answers unless you ask the questions right? Thanks for the response....

[songtitle]

Again, maybe I did not read it correctly. You said you were a "semi-pro" so I assumed baseball player. Maybe you meant semi-pro hitting instructor. You can't get answers unless you ask the questions right? Thanks for the response....

You think "semi-pro" means Minor League baseball?

[Chris O'Leary]

Again, maybe I did not read it correctly. You said you were a "semi-pro" so I assumed baseball player. Maybe you meant semi-pro hitting instructor. You can't get answers unless you ask the questions right? Thanks for the response....

I was probably referring to scouting.

2 years ago I worked with a cross checker for a major league team, helping him evaluate pitchers, with the promise that he would get me paying consulting work down the road.

[Erik]

I think this is going to vary with the location of the pitch.

What about the back elbow drifting outward a degree during the swing and the grip?



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[hitnpeas]

You think "semi-pro" means Minor League baseball?

Do I think semi-pro baseball means Minor Leagues, NO?... Are the two leauges the same? No. I was originally going from memory on the exact verbiage in our exchange and thought he said minor leagues. When I checked, semi-pro was used. I wanted clarification....



btw, do you really believe this kid doesn't start to drag until his elbow leaves his rear hip? Really?

[hitnpeas]

I was probably referring to scouting.

2 years ago I worked with a cross checker for a major league team, helping him evaluate pitchers, with the promise that he would get me paying consulting work down the road.

Ok.... Thanks

[songtitle]

Do I think semi-pro baseball means Minor Leagues, NO?... Are the two leauges the same? No. I was originally going from memory on the exact verbiage in our exchange and thought he said minor leagues. When I checked, semi-pro was used. I wanted clarification....



btw, do you really believe this kid doesn't start to drag until his elbow leaves his rear hip? Really?

I agree with what you said about bat drag. However, if he left his elbow at his hip, the prior flaw wouldn't matter. It's easier to fix one flaw at a time.

[Mark H]

I would say he is dragging long before his "back elbow was allowed to leave his hip"....

His rear elbow gets in front of his hands very early on.

Yep. It's usually a piece with the "stride".

[Mark H]

All I'm doing is questioning assumptions.

Like it or not, that's how you make progress and advance your knowledge.

If you want to get to the truth, you can't be afraid to ask stupid questions or question things that everyone thinks they know.

You also have to understand that you're going to take flack from certain types of people.

This I understand and this is why Chris doesn't annoy me. He's not cussing and calling names. He's just asking annoying questions and that should be ok.

[HYP]

I agree with what you said about bat drag. However, if he left his elbow at his hip, the prior flaw wouldn't matter. It's easier to fix one flaw at a time.

Why wouldn't the prior flaw matter? The reason his elbow leaves is partly caused by the prior flaw. He needs to push to contact and timing. If his elbow doesn't leave is hip and remains pressed against it he aint hittin this ball.

[songtitle]

Why wouldn't the prior flaw matter? The reason his elbow leaves is partly caused by the prior flaw. He needs to push to contact and timing. If his elbow doesn't leave is hip and remains pressed against it he aint hittin this ball.

You are getting a little anal here.

If he held his elbow back, the kid would have killed the ball and the first flaw would not have mattered on this at bat.

If you want to try to teach a kid this age how to fix 2 flaws at once, good luck with it.

[Chris O'Leary]

What about the back elbow drifting outward a degree during the swing and the grip?

The back elbow is going to drift away from the back hip in order to get an outside pitch. That may be combined with early rolling of the wrists.

The whole point of a pitch like the slider or the change-up is to get the batter away from the ideal pattern and to do things like extending early and/or rolling the wrists early.

[songtitle]

The back elbow is going to drift away from the back hip in order to get an outside pitch. That may be combined with early rolling of the wrists.

The whole point of a pitch like the slider or the change-up is to get the batter away from the ideal pattern and to do things like extending early and/or rolling the wrists early.

The back elbow should stay connected on any pitch. Can't you wait for the ball to get 4-8 inches deeper before you hit an outside (or low) pitch?

[Chris O'Leary]

The back elbow should stay connected on any pitch.

That sounds good but it isn't what actually happens (at least on pitches low and away).

Can't you wait for the ball to get 4-8 inches deeper before you hit an outside (or low) pitch?

In theory, yes.

But this isn't what Pujols actually does.

[songtitle]

That sounds good but it isn't what actually happens (at least on pitches low and away).

In theory, yes.

But this isn't what Pujols actually does.

So, you teach rotational for pitches down the middle, and Power V for outside and low pitches?

I teach rotational for any pitch location. If they're fooled, then go Power V.

[Chris O'Leary]

So, you teach rotational for pitches down the middle, and Power V for outside and low pitches?

I teach rotational for any pitch location. If they're fooled, then all bets are off.

You should try to avoid pitches low and away because they are pitcher's pitches (because you have to disconnect to varying degrees to go get them). If you have to go get that pitch, due to protecting the plate with an 0-2 count, you have to try to push that pitch (which will tend to keep you more connected). However, your back elbow will tend to work away from, and perhaps ahead of, the back hip.

[hitnpeas]

You pass through it. You don't get there and stay there and turn hard.

Although, don't some teach this quite emphatically?

[songtitle]

HYP, wow Pedroia hit a ball at his shoulder or higher.

I teach to throw your elbow to your hip and keep it there until contact. Afterwards, I could care less. If you misjudge the pitch, then go Power V.

[HYP]

HYP, wow Pedroia hit a ball at his shoulder or higher.

I teach to throw your elbow to your hip and keep it there until contact. Afterwards, I could care less. If you misjudge the pitch, then go Power V.

Pedroia, I agree. I was just trying to get your definition of elbow by the hip.

Here is pics. of Bonds and Hamilton from the clips at contact.





Like I said before, IMO the elbow passes through this spot. It doesn't stay there and follow around the body.

The hitter gets to this spot and the hands and bat are whipped/thrown/sling shot out through contact.

It is not a slot and swing. This is the point of overlap. This is the point where evrything is launched towards and through the ball.

[songtitle]

Like I said before, IMO the elbow passes through this spot. It doesn't stay there and follow around the body.

The hitter gets to this spot and the hands and bat are whipped/thrown/sling shot out through contact.

It is not a slot and swing. This is the point of overlap. This is the point where evrything is launched towards and through the ball.

The rear elbow must pause long enough to allow the bat head to get in front of the hands. To me, this is what causes the bat head to blur on a freeze frame at this point in the swing.

[HYP]

The rear elbow must pause long enough to allow the bat head to get in front of the hands. To me, this is what causes the bat head to blur on a freeze frame at this point in the swing.

Just so you know the bat is blurring way before that.