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Players
1. Joe DiMaggio
2. Joe Start
3. Red Ruffing
4. Joe Medwick
5. John Beckwith
6. Willie Foster
7. Harry Stovey
8. George Gore
9. Stan Hack
10. Ezra Sutton
11. Stan Coveleski
12. Biz Mackey
Contributors
1. J.G. Taylor Spink
2. Larry MacPhail
3. Frank Selee
4. J.L. Wilkinson
5. George Weiss
Luck is the residue of design." -- Branch Rickey
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1 Addie Joss
2 Joe DiMaggio
3 Bid McPhee
4 Chuck Klien
5 Bill Terry
6 Dizzy Dean
7 Pie Traynor
8 Willie Foster
9 Elmer Flick
10 Ray Dandridge
11 Stan Coveleski
12 Stan Hack
If I may, a brief comment about Bid McPhee,
Perhaps the last man to play without a fielder's glove, and upon using one, he set a Fldg Pct record, that stood for about 20 years.
Besides being a truly great defender, he hit above average, as attested by his career OPS + of 106, and stole over 500 bases.
Something of a Bill Mazerowski at 2B, who could also hit and run well.
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With all due respect, I don't consider someone with an OPS+ of 106 to be a player who hits "well".Originally Posted by jaxxr
Luck is the residue of design." -- Branch Rickey
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We now have a quorum on both sides of the ballot.
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Perhaps you are correct, I should have said "an above average hitter" rather than use the term "well", as one's perception of the meaning, will deem it proper or not.
Bid was certainly a much better hitter than Bill Maz, who had a career OPS + of 84.
Bid also has a better career OPS +, which of course is NOT the only way to evaluate a hitter, than a few others who may have been considered to have hit fairly well,
Johnny Damon, Joe Carter, Matty Alou, Garret Anderson, Wally Pipp, Carl Crawford, and Travis Jackson, are among many, who have a lower figure, than the truly outstanding defensive 2B, Bid McPhee.
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In 1960, we won't add any new contributors, but will add the following players:
Two HOFers in Brown and Gordon, though I have my doubts either will contend immediately.Code:Brown , Willard Case , George Cooper , Walker Gordon , Joe Roe , Preacher Trout , Dizzy
We've still got two voters from last election yet to vote in this one, Henrich and Paul Wendt. If I don't hear from one or both of them by Monday, I'll send a follow up PM.
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No big deal to me. When I look at a statistic that is 6% better than average at the highest level of competition, words like "good", "nice" and "well" come to mind. Nothing more superlative than that though.
I would point out that in terms of pure batting average, McPhee was a slightly below average MLB hitter.
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I might contribute to this remarkable project tonight or tomorrow but the forum is certain to be flooded with news bulletins on the Hall of Fame prospects for various Phillies and Yankees. Instead I'll just go with the flow and post a few of those.
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1 JL Wilkinson - "Wilkinson built baseball dynasty"
2 JG Taylor Spink
3 Frank Selee
4 Clark Griffith
5 Tom Connolly
Last edited by Paul Wendt; 11-05-2009 at 12:00 PM.
athr: For Argument's Sake
01 Joe DiMaggio
02 Pud Galvin
03 Harry Stovey
04 Chuck Klein
05 Bill Terry
06 Heinie Groh
07 Stan Hack
08 Bid McPhee
09 Jim McCormick
10 Hugh Duffy
11 Stan Coveleski
12 Stuffy McInnis
Contributors:
01 Doubleday
02 MacPhail
03 Huggins
04 Spink
05 Selee
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Players
1 Joe DiMaggio
2 George Gore
3 Joe Start
4 Elmer Flick
5 Bid McPhee
6 Heinie Groh
7 Jack Glasscock
8 Ezra Sutton
9 Charlie Bennett
10 Stan Coveleski
11 Pete Hill
12 Willie Foster
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Is Luke Easter ineligible or do you have a birthdate other than 1915?
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I don't think I had anyone suggest Luke (or give him a vote in another project). I've seen the case made for him, and it's certainly as good as or better than many others on the master list. I'll add him.
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With the early finish to this election (by a few hours), the official results are that in 15 player ballots, we elected Joe DiMaggio, Elmer Flick and Willie Foster. The complete results are as follows:
On the contributor side, we had 12 ballots and inducted Larry MacPhail. The complete results are:Code:Player,,,,,,, votes points DiMaggio, Joe 15 179 Foster, Willie 11 74 Flick , Elmer 9 60 Stovey , Harry 7 52 Hack, Stan 9 51 Medwick, Joe 8 48 Traynor , Pie 7 46 Mackey, Biz 8 45 McPhee , Bid 7 43 Ruffing , Red 6 42 Start , Joe 4 42 Coveleski , S 8 39 Groh , Heinie 6 36 Beckwith, John 6 35 Terry , Bill 4 31 Klein, Chuck 3 27 Gore , George 4 26 Carey , Max 2 22 Grant , Frank 4 22 Sutton , Ezra 5 21 Ferrell, Wes 3 20 Galvin , Pud 4 20 Thompson , S 2 18 Hill , Pete……… 3 17 Bennett , C 3 16 Joss , Addie 2 13 Averill, Earl 3 10 Caruthers , B 1 10 Berger , Wally 1 9 Duffy , Hugh 2 9 Faber , Red 1 9 Smith, Hilton 1 9 Glasscock , J 2 8 Maranville , R 2 8 McCormick , J 2 8 McGinnity , J 3 8 Dean, Dizzy 1 7 Jennings , H 1 5 Roush , Edd 1 5 Sewell , Joe 1 5 Starffin, V 3 5 Dandridge, Ray 1 3 Wallace , Bobby 1 3 Browning , Pete 1 2 McInnis, Stuffy 1 1
Code:Contributor……… votes points MacPhail , La 11 36 Spink, JGT 8 28 Selee , Frank 11 26 Huggins , M 7 23 Taylor , C. I. 3 11 Wilkinson, JL 4 11 Doubleday , A 2 9 Connolly , Tom 3 6 Chance , Frank 1 5 Shoriki, M 1 5 Bolden, Ed 1 4 Pearce, Dickey 1 4 Caylor , O. P. 1 3 Griffith , C 2 3 Weiss, George 2 3 Southworth, B 1 2 Frick, Ford 1 1
Last edited by jalbright; 11-06-2009 at 05:36 PM.
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