Again, a feeling and cue.Lets go further into what David Wright talks about. He says. "I want to feel my hands working. When I can let the ball get deep, almost like I'm hitting it out of the catchers mitt, and drive it to right field. I know my hands are working good".
So, how come his shoulders DO turn?Again sounds like he is advocating the use of his hands and not turning the shoulders and torso.
Baloney, letting the ball get deep is simply a timing issue, not a mechanical issue.On your little demonstration, how deep could you let the ball get? When you rotate the shoulders/torso to get the bat going how deep can you let the ball get? NOT VERY.
They absolutely know what they feel. But, it's obvious that they don't know what actually causes the feel.I know, I know, the guys actually doing it against the best pitching in the world don't really know what their doing. Us guys sitting around on a computer know way better then them.
Hopefully we'll be able to get together in person soon (if you still want to), and I can explain it to you and debunk just about everything in you-know-who's theory.
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Yes there is momentum transfer but you are wrong with how the momentum gets started. It is not just hold on and turn to get it started.
They don't say get the hands involved early so they will rotate their shoulders harder. No, they use the cue to get the hands active on the bat early.
I agree. They do know what they feel but where I disagree with you is, when you say they don't know what causes that feel. The cues cause that feel. That is why they have them. That is why they think about them. That is why they mention them. Thos cues and the things they are trying to do creatye that feel.
Yes, I absolutely still want to get together with you. I seek the truth. If you can help me, help my son and others I am all ears. Hope we can meet up soon.
I worked on that and got the bat going better. I'll REPEAT, I'm not saying that you do NOTHING with the hands. But, I disagree with how you-know-who says they get used. I'm hitting the ball farther, and using my hands more, but not like that guy's theory.
IMO, MLB hitters do not do this;
The above IMO, is NOT the same as this;
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Granny said Sonny stick to your guns if you believe in something no matter what. Because it's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you're not.
Did you see where I wrote that if the focus is somewhere other then the hands the hands will get left behind. They will never get caught up. They are simply noet strong enough. That is why they have to be active early.
The hands don't keep up with the shoulders. The shoulders keep up with the hands.
They all said they lag the barrel and then throw it. Yes, they use the hands to throw it, but they don't throw from the top.
You can compare them to reality for yourself.
The clip above is of David Wright working on hitting outside pitches the other way during BP.
I'm actually very glad that you asked this question, because it forced me to really dig into this clip. When I did, I found some pretty interesting things when I went through it frame by frame.
First, and as Jim's clip PVC box clip demonstrates, the only thing that will create a true whip effect is the rapid acceleration, and then equally rapid deceleration, of the shoulders. That is hard to see in my other side clips, but really obvious in this clip.
Working backwards, and looking at the position of the letters of his name on the back of his jersey, you can see that the shoulders are at a dead stop in Frame 45 through Frame 47, and are mostly stopped in Frame 44. That implies that the shoulders were decelerating at least in Frame 43, and were probably decelerating in Frame 42.
What is interesting (to me at least) is that Frame 42 is the frame where you see the first signs of a change in the forearm/bat hinge angle. That says to me that momentum, due to the rapid deceleration of the shoulders, is a very important component of the whipping of the bat into the strike zone (and not just a big old coincidence).
I will admit that this whip effect in this clip may be accentuated by the location of the pitch (outside) and how that causes the shoulders to come to a screeching halt. A slightly different process may be in effect for inside pitches, but in that case I think the whip is driven by the hard left turn the hands have to take to handle an inside pitch.
I think I also see evidence of this in the clip above. Notice how the main whip, which takes place beyond Frame 42, is also accompanied by the hands following an arcing path to the left (which I think some people call "turning the corner").
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If I remember correctly, Yeager described xx 2nd engine/swivel this way:
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Could I get you to run that other experiment. If you attempt to maintain the lead-arm/barrel angle at 90-degrees, while applying force that 'would' cause supination of the rear forearm ... and of course while having a feeling of a 'soft' rear elbow ... does that 'force' assist in the dropping of your rear elbow?