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    Bay with 2 HR tonight, he's now up to 6. He should get in the 20's. Hopefully this is when he gets hot, now if only we can get men on base for him...
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    I hadn't wanted to kick this thread the last couple years. No need for a central focus to bash Jason Bay. I believe he was trying his best. I think it's worth reading this thread from the start, though, to get some perspective on the whole saga, from his signing to his departure. He was never my solution, but I never thought he'd have the kind of problems he had. I feel the concussions must have had some effect. I hope he comes back strong. Leaving the Mets has been a balm for a lot of players recently.
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    Jason Bay with a .321/.406/.643 line this spring:

    http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/team...meType=%27S%27

    Now that he's away from Jeffy Wilpon forcing him to play through his concussions, I wonder if he'll flourish in Seattle with our old friend Oliver Perez?

    I hope he fares better than Ryan Church, who Jeffy's handpicked medical staff also trotted out repeatedly after his concussion.


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    Meh, Bay's having a decent spring, but I'd rather have Casper Wells on the roster. Not to beat a dead horse, but are Bay and Bonilla really the highest paid OFers for the Mets?

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    Bay so far... 2 home runs, 8 RBI, with a .276/.368/.431 split in 58 AB. He added another home run today (3) and has worked himself into the Mariners' starting lineup.

    Ollie Perez has a 0.79 ERA as a loogie with 12K, 6BB and 6 hits allowed in 11.1 IP.

    Just saying...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    Bay so far... 2 home runs, 8 RBI, with a .276/.368/.431 split in 58 AB. He added another home run today (3) and has worked himself into the Mariners' starting lineup.

    Ollie Perez has a 0.79 ERA as a loogie with 12K, 6BB and 6 hits allowed in 11.1 IP.

    Just saying...
    I am really glad Bay is having some level success in Seattle. I really liked him because he always hustled and played hard despite his big struggles here. He was a classy player.

    So classy in fact that Met fans didn't deserve his class. When they cheered after he was injured last year was one of the biggest lacks of class I had ever seen. It was disgusting.

    Ollie on the other hand cant fail enough for me.

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    I am really glad Bay is having some level success in Seattle. I really liked him because he always hustled and played hard despite his big struggles here. He was a classy player.

    So classy in fact that Met fans didn't deserve his class. When they cheered after he was injured last year was one of the biggest lacks of class I had ever seen. It was disgusting.

    Ollie on the other hand cant fail enough for me.
    Not sure why - was Ollie really a bad guy? I know his on-field failures drove fans crazy (and his signing was a bad one), but you can argue he was a MUCH more successful Met than Jason Bay ever was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
    Not sure why - was Ollie really a bad guy? I know his on-field failures drove fans crazy (and his signing was a bad one), but you can argue he was a MUCH more successful Met than Jason Bay ever was.
    Obviously I am not measuring this by success. When Ollie absolutely sucked he refused to go down to work it out. Proving he was not there for the team he was there for Ollie. Not my type of player at all.

    Its not the fact that he struggled but its how he reacted when he struggled when asked to be a team player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypal View Post
    Obviously I am not measuring this by success. When Ollie absolutely sucked he refused to go down to work it out. Proving he was not there for the team he was there for Ollie. Not my type of player at all.

    Its not the fact that he struggled but its how he reacted when he struggled when asked to be a team player.
    Yeah he was Ike Davis before Ike Davis - but with a huge contract. I dunno, Ollie had his decent moments too. I'd forgotten about the minor league thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
    Yeah he was Ike Davis before Ike Davis - but with a huge contract. I dunno, Ollie had his decent moments too. I'd forgotten about the minor league thing.
    Seriously? Ollie took the money and ran. He was a ridiculous signing when money was thrown around like candy. He refused to go to the minors and chose to do nothing to try to correct his problems and would rather sit on the bench for big league money, he is/was a dog! I am also happy for Bay, although I am not sure if his current limited success has more to do with escaping from NY or being healthy.

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    Seriously? Ollie took the money and ran. He was a ridiculous signing when money was thrown around like candy. He refused to go to the minors and chose to do nothing to try to correct his problems and would rather sit on the bench for big league money, he is/was a dog! I am also happy for Bay, although I am not sure if his current limited success has more to do with escaping from NY or being healthy.
    Nah, Oliver Perez was a better Met than Jason Bay - I think he played harder too. Certainly cost less!
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    When you guys signed Bay, I said thanks for the draft picks

    http://soxprospects.com/players/workman-brandon.htm

    http://soxprospects.com/players/ranaudo-anthony.htm

    Thank you again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
    Nah, Oliver Perez was a better Met than Jason Bay - I think he played harder too. Certainly cost less!
    Sometimes I wonder what your watching. Ollie is was now and will always be a punk. You cant knock Bay's effort. The results weren't there but he never dogged it...ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypal View Post
    Sometimes I wonder what your watching. Ollie is was now and will always be a punk. You cant knock Bay's effort. The results weren't there but he never dogged it...ever.
    Yeah I think Bay kinda dogged it a bit, got down on himself. Perez did too, but not as much - over the course of his Mets career, did a bit better. Apples and oranges, slugger vs. pitcher true. But I think all in all, Perez was the better Met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
    Yeah I think Bay kinda dogged it a bit, got down on himself. Perez did too, but not as much - over the course of his Mets career, did a bit better. Apples and oranges, slugger vs. pitcher true. But I think all in all, Perez was the better Met.
    Yes Perez had a period of time when he pitched well and did have a better Met career, but that wasn't what was being brought up.

    Bay is having some success and I am glad for him....Perez just cant fail enough for me. It wasn't about who was a better Met.

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    Perez and Castillo were the embodiment of the Minaya era's issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstein View Post
    Perez and Castillo were the embodiment of the Minaya era's issues.
    Again, I don't think either Perez or Castillo was a "bad guy." They just didn't have overwhelming success with the Mets. But they were both certainly better than Jason Bay - easily the worst signing of Minaya's tenure.

    Outside of Perez not wanted to go down a la Ike Davis, I don't think either player had "issues" at all. Indeed, to me they overcame some significant booing from the non-baseball types in the stands in Queens - some of whom had issues of their own!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
    Again, I don't think either Perez or Castillo was a "bad guy." They just didn't have overwhelming success with the Mets. But they were both certainly better than Jason Bay - easily the worst signing of Minaya's tenure.

    Outside of Perez not wanted to go down a la Ike Davis, I don't think either player had "issues" at all. Indeed, to me they overcame some significant booing from the non-baseball types in the stands in Queens - some of whom had issues of their own!
    this latest back and forth can equate to fighting over the ugliest girl in the bar! All three were terrible signings. If it is intended to claim certain players are given more of a break by the fan base because of there ethnicity I think that should be discussed somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
    Again, I don't think either Perez or Castillo was a "bad guy." They just didn't have overwhelming success with the Mets. But they were both certainly better than Jason Bay - easily the worst signing of Minaya's tenure.

    Outside of Perez not wanted to go down a la Ike Davis, I don't think either player had "issues" at all. Indeed, to me they overcame some significant booing from the non-baseball types in the stands in Queens - some of whom had issues of their own!
    Castillo wasn't a bad guy at all - he was just never forgiven for an error he made against the Yankees by a very silly fan base.

    Ollie = Punk

    Bay - terrible signing at the time he was signed. He was paid for Fenway numbers as he moved into Citi Morgue. Just plain stupid. Add that with a seemingly quick loss of skills, followed by a few serious head injuries and voila you have the Jason Bay saga. I never once got the sense that Bay gave up or dogged it.

    If anyone insinuated that this is an ethnically driven opinion (which I didn't pick up on) then you need to rethink that point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypal View Post
    Castillo wasn't a bad guy at all - he was just never forgiven for an error he made against the Yankees by a very silly fan base.

    Ollie = Punk

    Bay - terrible signing at the time he was signed. He was paid for Fenway numbers as he moved into Citi Morgue. Just plain stupid. Add that with a seemingly quick loss of skills, followed by a few serious head injuries and voila you have the Jason Bay saga. I never once got the sense that Bay gave up or dogged it.

    If anyone insinuated that this is an ethnically driven opinion (which I didn't pick up on) then you need to rethink that point of view.
    Yeah I don't think this is really ethnically driven - don't see that angle here at all.

    Still don't see Ollie as a punk really - he looked lost a lot of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawman View Post
    Yeah I don't think this is really ethnically driven - don't see that angle here at all.

    Still don't see Ollie as a punk really - he looked lost a lot of the time.
    I am sure I am over reacting to Ollie, but it really pissed me off when he refused to go down when he couldnt throw a strike and couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. Selfish to say the least

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypal View Post
    I am sure I am over reacting to Ollie, but it really pissed me off when he refused to go down when he couldnt throw a strike and couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. Selfish to say the least
    The main thing I notice here is a lot of players regain lost skills once they get away from the Mets coaching and medical staffs. It's already been mentioned in another thread that keeping players on the field is a bigger priority with Jeff Wilpon than keeping them healthy. Bay can hit again and Ollie has regained the lost 10 mph on his fastball.

    Blaming the players doesn't get at the core of this issue. It seems there's something in the coaching or doctoring or environment with the Mets that's like a Bermuda Triangle where a lot of talent disappears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    The main thing I notice here is a lot of players regain lost skills once they get away from the Mets coaching and medical staffs. It's already been mentioned in another thread that keeping players on the field is a bigger priority with Jeff Wilpon than keeping them healthy. Bay can hit again and Ollie has regained the lost 10 mph on his fastball.

    Blaming the players doesn't get at the core of this issue. It seems there's something in the coaching or doctoring or environment with the Mets that's like a Bermuda Triangle where a lot of talent disappears.
    You may be right, it may have something to do with the medical staff etc. Actually I am sure a lot of it does as we have seen quite a few botched medical evaluations.

    I will also add this -- No offense to anyone on this board....really....but I think as a whole Met fans generally just suck. I think as a whole they are some of the most uneducated fans, and by far the most bitter, driven by their hatred for the Yankees. This isn't all the fans but these are the loudest. My point is that playing in front of these "fans" once they have turned on you just cant be fun.

    I know what the uneducated fan would say right now "you get paid all that money...suck it up". True, except for the fact that these guys are human and they internally react to being booed.....or in Bays case cheered when you get injured. Which by the way was my most embarrassing moment as a Met fan.

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    Not sure it's worth its own thread, but in keeping with where this discussion has gone, Scott Kazmir struck out 10 with no walks in 6 innings today. He allowed one run and hit 96+ on the radar gun. His fastball was sitting over 93. Looks like he's back. He's still not even 30...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    Not sure it's worth its own thread, but in keeping with where this discussion has gone, Scott Kazmir struck out 10 with no walks in 6 innings today. He allowed one run and hit 96+ on the radar gun. His fastball was sitting over 93. Looks like he's back. He's still not even 30...
    Did you have to bring that name back up again!! I think the Mets even took a look at him this off season. Another one player away transaction.

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