who will get higher % of votes...Pujols or Jeter?

[sturg1dj]

when they are done and eligible for the HOF who do you think will get a higher percentage of votes? And I am not asking who is more deserving, just who will get the higher %.

[GiambiJuice]

It's hard to say because Pujols is only ~halfway through his career. A lot of things can happen from now until he hangs it up. for right now I would say Jeter.

[White Knight]

Assuming both stay clean and don't gamble on baseball or anything, I'd have to say Jeter. Even as a diehard Jeter fan, obviously Pujols is the better player. However, Jeter is just that popular where he can probably overcome him, especially if he gets to 3,500 hits. Then again, if Pujols gets to 650+ HRs, it could get interesting. Who in their right mind would vote no?

[bob]

Tough to say how many votes Jeter will get.It'll be 90%+ almost certainly, but 95%? 98%?
Id say between 90 and 95%. Many people think jeter is overrated. I can see more than a few voters outside new york not voting him the first time as a protest vote.
Pujols still (hopefully) has too much of a career left to play to really make a good guess. He'll also be hit more than Jeter by the voters who think anyone who hits alot of home runs after the 80's must be a roider. So far id say Jeter, but wait until Borth have ended or nearing the end of their careers and i might say something else.

[ol' aches and pains]

I think Jeter would get the slightly higher % of votes, just because he's Derek Jeter, and he's played in New York his entire career. But who knows, really? I can't fathom anybody not voting for either of them, but of course somebody won't. Probably Jay Mariotti, if he's still around, because the first ballot is sacred.

[NJYankeeFan]

They should get the same. 100%.

That said there will be the typical Jeter hater or two that won't vote for him, so Pujols.

[jjpm74]

Pujols, definitely. Besides for the fact that he is a legendary player that comes along maybe once a generation, there are enough Yankee haters out there that I think Jeter will not even get in on the 1st ballot. The only Yankee that will probably go in on his first try who's nearing retirement is Mariano Rivera. For a point of reference, Joe DiMaggio didn't even get in on his first ballot. In general, career Yankees have enough detractors to keep them from hitting a high water mark on a HOF ballot.

[White Knight]

Pujols, definitely. Besides for the fact that he is a legendary player that comes along maybe once a generation, there are enough Yankee haters out there that I think Jeter will not even get in on the 1st ballot. The only Yankee that will probably go in on his first try who's nearing retirement is Mariano Rivera. For a point of reference, Joe DiMaggio didn't even get in on his first ballot. In general, career Yankees have enough detractors to keep them from hitting a high water mark on a HOF ballot.

If you don't think Jeter will get in on the first ballot then I have a bridge to sell you. If he doesn't get 90% or more of the vote (with no scandals) I will give you my life savings and and serve as your slave for life.

[jjpm74]

If you don't think Jeter will get in on the first ballot then I have a bridge to sell you. If he doesn't get 90% or more of the vote (with no scandals) I will give you my life savings and and serve as your slave.

Believe me, I'd love to see him sail in with 100% of the vote. He is my favorite player on the Yankees. I'm just looking at what the BBWAA trends suggest and what several more vocal writers have said about Jeter being the most overrated player in the history of the game. You might want rethink that bet before making it. You might lose.

[White Knight]

Believe me, I'd love to see him sail in with 100% of the vote. He is my favorite player on the Yankees. I'm just looking at what the BBWAA trends suggest and what several more vocal writers have said about Jeter being the most overrated player in the history of the game. You might want rethink that bet before making it. You might lose.

Heh, I know that in the past they have been harsh on Yankees, but I see no way of keeping him on no matter what team he was on. If he gets 3,500 hits do you think he would not make the first ballot? Even people who think he's overrated think he belongs in. After the 2009 season, it kind of quieted those who said he was overrated anyway.

[STLCards2]

Believe me, I'd love to see him sail in with 100% of the vote. He is my favorite player on the Yankees. I'm just looking at what the BBWAA trends suggest and what several more vocal writers have said about Jeter being the most overrated player in the history of the game. You might want rethink that bet before making it. You might lose.

Even a huge majority of those who think he is vastly overrated still think he is a HOFer. They just don' want a guy who is far behind Albert, A-Rod an a few others getting more publicity and fanfair. They'll vote for him.

[davewashere]

I think those writers mean overrated in the sense that when some Yankees fans talk about the great ones and say "Ruth, Cobb, Mays and Jeter" in the same sentence there is one name that doesn't really belong. He's an easy first ballot Hall of Famer, and he'll probably have no trouble getting 90% of the vote.

Back to the original question, it's really hard to say, because both potentially have a lot of career left. If Jeter finishes like Pete Rose finished, he could end up with over 4,000 hits. Pujols will turn 30 years old in about a week. He could potentially play for another 12 years or more. Considering he's only 9 seasons into his career thus far, his final career numbers could be huge (I'm talking 600+ home runs, 3,500+ hits). He's already 5th on the list of all time MVP shares, between Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle, where might he be in a dozen years?

Assuming they can both finish out there careers without major disruptions due to injury or Dale Murphy-esque plummets in their productivity, I'd say they are both locks to get 90% of the vote or higher. I think Pujols has the greater potential to threaten 100%, because he could end up with numbers that would have him right there with the best ever (the Ruths, Cobbs, and Mays previously mentioned), while Jeter will most likely be linked with Pete Rose, who was an excellent player but will never be mentioned among the best ever.

[brett]

Pujols already destroys Jeter in WAR and WARP.

The only reason I won't put him down is because he may end up with steroid suspicions. Jeter will not get 100% because some people realize he's not a top tier shortstop due to his defense and some people just don't like him or NY.

Everyone likes a Cardinal.

[STLCards2]

I think those writers mean overrated in the sense that when some Yankees fans talk about the great ones and say "Ruth, Cobb, Mays and Jeter" in the same sentence there is one name that doesn't really belong..

Exactly! Great way of putting it. Jeter brings about the same aura, press-time and mystic (and advertisement face-time) of the all-time, top 20 players in the history of baseball, Yankee greats. - but without nearly the production. I haven't heard any prominent sports writer say that he isn't a HOFer in years.

[White Knight]

Everyone likes a Cardinal.

Wow, Mac got in and no one told me?

[KCGHOST]

That said there will be the typical Jeter hater or two that won't vote for him, so Pujols.

Don't be paranoid. No one has ever gotten 100%.

[sturg1dj]

They should get the same. 100%.

That said there will be the typical Jeter hater or two that won't vote for him, so Pujols.

there are very few "typical Jeter haters" in the media....same goes for "typical Yankee haters."

[fenrir]

Barring any steroid accusations, Pujols. By the time he retires (barring any injuries of-course), his career numbers will be off the charts. The guy already has three MVP's, and probably will end up with at least two more by the time he retires (also keep in mind that he would of had six MVP's if not for Balco Barry).

[Second Base Coach]

This is an excellent question.... and I took Jeter because he has the perfect HOF resume. But because they will both be Waaaaay up there on the percent scale, it could go either way.

[dominik]

we have to wait how albert finishes. Jeter is already 35 and still a top player. This is a big plus for him.

The HOF doesn't like early decliners I guess for ex. frank thomas will loose some votes because of this.
If albert declines in the next few seasons badly, this will hurt his resumee(although he should be in already no matter what happens).
If he keeps this level or let's say 90% of this till he is 36 he will of course be an all time great and might get a higher number than jeter.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Pujols, definitely. Besides for the fact that he is a legendary player that comes along maybe once a generation, there are enough Yankee haters out there that I think Jeter will not even get in on the 1st ballot. The only Yankee that will probably go in on his first try who's nearing retirement is Mariano Rivera. For a point of reference, Joe DiMaggio didn't even get in on his first ballot. In general, career Yankees have enough detractors to keep them from hitting a high water mark on a HOF ballot.

Jeter is not the player Pujols is, but I predict he'll get more votes. Unless, of course, the Spanish Inquisition over steroids stops and we get back to evaluating players based on what they did on the field, vis a vis their contempories. There will be enough idiots to imply that Pujols must be doing PEDs, and because someone said it once, it must be true, ergo . . .

[King Crimson]

Too early to say for Pujols but if he for the next few years play like he is right now,then he in the hall.Jeter will get in but like some said here the Jeter or Yankees haters won't vote for him.

[hwmongoose]

What if McGwire teaches Pujols how to hit?

[STLCards2]

Too early to say for Pujols but if he for the next few years play like he is right now,then he in the hall.Jeter will get in but like some said here the Jeter or Yankees haters won't vote for him.

So with an official game this year (meeting the 10 year rule) you wouldn't put Pujols in the HOF already? He stacks up much better than the majority of players in the HOF with short careers, several of which with fewer PA's than Pujols has already.

[Brad Harris]

Agreed. I've been called a Jeter "hater" countless times just for taking the position that he's overrated or not as good as certain other players. He's had my Hall vote, however, for a long time so I fail to see how what most zealots classify their opponents as as being applicable to the actual BBWAA vote in anything but the remotest sense. If anything, it will boil down to voters who suspect Pujols of PED usage versus voters who just hate the Yankees. I think there are more of the former than the latter among the electorate, though I certainly would expect a majority of voters to consider Pujols to be a better player than Jeter by the time both their careers are done (assuming Pujols remains on his present career path arc.)