Marty Noble on the MLB Network...disgusting

[Paulypal]

For those of you that dont know Marty Noble is a writer and a HOF voter. He is not good at either one.

His comments prove that we need another type of HOF system. The writers voting doesnt work.

Paraphrasing but:

I didnt vote for Alomar because he spit in an umpires face, and the way he played with the Mets.

He then said:

I will vote for him next year


So Marty Noble in his power chair gets to play who is in and who is out based upon his personal feelings despite how good the player is. I am sure other writers did the same which is why it needs to be taken away from them. Too many of these guys have an ax to grind, or want to take out some low self esteem frustration on the athletes that they couldnt be.

As a Mets fan watching Alomar play was frustrating but that dont take away from the fact that he was the best second baseman I ever saw hands down beore he was a Met. If Jeff Kent is a lock HOF'er, then Alomar should be a lock squared. I wonder if Noble would have voted for Willie Mays....he stunk with the Mets too. I also wonder if he would have voted for Ty Cobb who stabbed someone, and beat up a husband and wife in the stands.

As far as "voting for him next year". Thanks Marty so Alomar gets punished by you morons because you feel like it. Either someone is a HOF'er or he isnt.

Any time you leave something in the hands of judges or voting without some kind of scoring system it becomes corrupted. Examples....any olympic sport, boxing, all star game selections, and the HOF. I dont have the answer to HOF criteria, but the writers should be eliminated.

[Mongoose]

For those of you that dont know Marty Noble is a writer and a HOF voter. He is not good at either one.

His comments prove that we need another type of HOF system. The writers voting doesnt work.

Paraphrasing but:

I didnt vote for Alomar because he spit in an umpires face, and the way he played with the Mets.

He then said:

I will vote for him next year


So Marty Noble in his power chair gets to play who is in and who is out based upon his personal feelings despite how good the player is. I am sure other writers did the same which is why it needs to be taken away from them. Too many of these guys have an ax to grind, or want to take out some low self esteem frustration on the athletes that they couldnt be.

As a Mets fan watching Alomar play was frustrating but that dont take away from the fact that he was the best second baseman I ever saw hands down beore he was a Met. If Jeff Kent is a lock HOF'er, then Alomar should be a lock squared. I wonder if Noble would have voted for Willie Mays....he stunk with the Mets too. I also wonder if he would have voted for Ty Cobb who stabbed someone, and beat up a husband and wife in the stands.

As far as "voting for him next year". Thanks Marty so Alomar gets punished by you morons because you feel like it. Either someone is a HOF'er or he isnt.

Any time you leave something in the hands of judges or voting without some kind of scoring system it becomes corrupted. Examples....any olympic sport, boxing, all star game selections, and the HOF. I dont have the answer to HOF criteria, but the writers should be eliminated.

I'm getting kind of tired of hearing about Alomar...

Electing him to the HOF on the first ballot puts him in a class with Ruth, Mays, Mantle, Wagner, Gehrig, etc. He just wasn't that good, as a ballplayer or, by all accounts, as a human being.

Alomar had a roughly 10 year prime. Dale Murphy had a roughly 8 year prime. Outside their primes, neither did much. Murphy is heavily criticized for his abrupt drop off. Alomar literally forgot how to play baseball when he arrived in New York. Murphy was a better player in his prime than Alomar! Murphy was a 5 tool player and probably the best player in the NL through most of the 80s. I think he belongs in the HOF more than Dawson.

Alomar got 73% of the Vote, Murphy got 11%. Now there's an injustice.

Enough about Alomar already!

[Captain Cold Nose]

As the HOF voting was released two days ago, there is zero reason to stop talking about Alomar. Carry on.

[trepye]

Paraphrasing but:

I didnt vote for Alomar because he spit in an umpires face, and the way he played with the Mets.

He then said:

I will vote for him next year


So Marty Noble in his power chair gets to play who is in and who is out based upon his personal feelings despite how good the player is. I am sure other writers did the same which is why it needs to be taken away from them. Too many of these guys have an ax to grind, or want to take out some low self esteem frustration on the athletes that they couldnt be.

As a Mets fan watching Alomar play was frustrating but that dont take away from the fact that he was the best second baseman I ever saw hands down beore he was a Met. If Jeff Kent is a lock HOF'er, then Alomar should be a lock squared. I wonder if Noble would have voted for Willie Mays....he stunk with the Mets too. I also wonder if he would have voted for Ty Cobb who stabbed someone, and beat up a husband and wife in the stands.

As far as "voting for him next year". Thanks Marty so Alomar gets punished by you morons because you feel like it. Either someone is a HOF'er or he isnt.

Any time you leave something in the hands of judges or voting without some kind of scoring system it becomes corrupted. Examples....any olympic sport, boxing, all star game selections, and the HOF. I dont have the answer to HOF criteria, but the writers should be eliminated.

From the HoF website

Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

I agree with Noble's premise of not voting yes:

Player's record (CHECK)
Playing ability (CHECK)
Integrity (UMMM; based on how he dogged it as a Met)
Character (NOPE; Based on showing he classlessness of spitting on another persons face)
Sportsmanship (UMMM; Based on being a putrid ambassador to the game due to the major 2 offenses)
Contributions to the team(s) on which the player played (Check)

But,
Noble should have not made the second part of his stament...it makes him sound petty.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

From the HoF website

Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

I agree with Noble's premise of not voting yes:

Player's record (CHECK)
Playing ability (CHECK)
Integrity (UMMM; based on how he dogged it as a Met)
Character (NOPE; Based on showing he classlessness of spitting on another persons face)
Sportsmanship (UMMM; Based on being a putrid ambassador to the game due to the major 2 offenses)
Contributions to the team(s) on which the player played (Check)

Does the spitting incicident undo Alomar's HoF career? To suggest that it does is assinine. Besides, Alomar was suspended and fined for the spitting incident. He apologized to John Hirschbeck, Hirschbeck accepted Alomar's apology, and both are now friends. They have worked together for charitable causes over the years. And Hirschbeck has even publically stated that he would be disappointed if Alomar would not be elected because of the spitting incident.

But,
Noble should have not made the second part of his stament...it makes him sound petty.

That's because it is petty.

[metfan13]

I wonder what Noble's ballot looked like in other years? Is he always so strict in his judgements?

[mwiggins]

Electing him to the HOF on the first ballot puts him in a class with Ruth, Mays, Mantle, Wagner, Gehrig, etc. He just wasn't that good, as a ballplayer or, by all accounts, as a human being.

And the same class as Yount, Molitor, Murray, Ryan, Puckett, Brock, Eck, Palmer, Ozzie, Brooks Robinson, Winfield, Stargell, and Kaline. The list of the 1st ballot Hall of Famers isn't exactly a who's-who of the Hall.

[Mongoose]

And the same class as Yount, Molitor, Murray, Ryan, Puckett, Brock, Eck, Palmer, Ozzie, Brooks Robinson, Winfield, Stargell, and Kaline. The list of the 1st ballot Hall of Famers isn't exactly a who's-who of the Hall.

All the players you list either reached significant milestones like 3000 hits or 500 homers, set significant records, were the best defenders at their position in history, or were famous for their leadership on the single team they spent their entire careers with.

Alomar was none of the above.

Even so, I'd not have elected most of them on the first ballot.

This sense of outrage about Alomar, and feeling of entitlement surrounding him is downright weird.

[Paulypal]

All the players you list either reached significant milestones like 3000 hits or 500 homers, set significant records, were the best defenders at their position in history, or were famous for their leadership on the single team they spent their entire careers with.

Alomar was none of the above.

Even so, I'd not have elected most of them on the first ballot.

This sense of outrage about Alomar, and feeling of entitlement surrounding him is downright weird.

Whats weird is how you know nothing about Alomar. Probably the best defensive second baseman of this generation. Add that his .300 average, 500 doubles, 200 homers, 474 sb's, and over 1100 rbi's. All from the second base position.

He is 10x more deserving than Dawson. Dawson was a very good player but maybe the 50th best OF'er I saw. I have never seen a better second baseman with the glove.

[metfan13]

Whats weird is how you know nothing about Alomar. Probably the best defensive second baseman of this generation. Add that his .300 average, 500 doubles, 200 homers, 474 sb's, and over 1100 rbi's. All from the second base position.

He is 10x more deserving than Dawson. Dawson was a very good player but maybe the 50th best OF'er I saw. I have never seen a better second baseman. I saw Ryno and Morgan...I take Alomar.

Don't know if I'd take him over Morgan but not worth arguing over two of the top few ever at their position.

What I find ridiculous is people who have created a separate mythical accomplishment called "first ballot".

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Don't know if I'd take him over Morgan but not worth arguing over two of the top few ever at their position.

What I find ridiculous is people who have created a separate mythical accomplishment called "first ballot".

Yeah, when did that happen? Joe Dimaggio and Cy Young were not 1st ballot elections.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

John Hirschbeck's recent comments about Roberto Alomar.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/o...4863510.column

[mwiggins]

All the players you list either reached significant milestones like 3000 hits or 500 homers, set significant records, were the best defenders at their position in history, or were famous for their leadership on the single team they spent their entire careers with.

Alomar was none of the above.

Even so, I'd not have elected most of them on the first ballot.

This sense of outrage about Alomar, and feeling of entitlement surrounding him is downright weird.

You're right, he was none of those things. But he was an All-Star for 12 straight seasons. He was a 10 time Gold Glove winner. He is one of the top 10 players at his position all-time. And he was the best player on two World Series champions. And he was a very-good-to-great post season player, especially great in his two WS appearances.

And yes, he was better in his 11-12 year prime run than Dale Murphy was in his 8 year run. Though Murphy does deserve more support than he's getting.

[metrotheme]

I agree with this statement.

What I find ridiculous is people who have created a separate mythical accomplishment called "first ballot".

[epaddon]

Noble's sentiments are outrageous. Would he have voted against Babe Ruth on the first ballot because Ruth got suspended once? And as for using his Mets bias against Alomar, just try and imagine any Yankee beat writer invoking a similar excuse to vote against Randy Johnson the first time his name comes up.

And this "first ballot" standard is something that has no place in the discussion of whether someone deserves a vote or not. In light of the fact that DiMaggio didn't get in the first time, the standard's irrelevance is already in place for all time so let's dispense with it.

[Paulypal]

I'm getting kind of tired of hearing about Alomar...

Dont listen

[Paulypal]

Don't know if I'd take him over Morgan but not worth arguing over two of the top few ever at their position.

What I find ridiculous is people who have created a separate mythical accomplishment called "first ballot".

I agree with you 100%.

I edited the part of my post about Morgan because I figured why argue at that level.

Here is the thing about first ballot and why I think we need a different system. Either some one is a HOF'er or they are not. Why is Dawson a HOF'er on year 9 and not year 1? It shouldnt come down to timing or competition as far as who else is eligible that year. If 5 guys are eligible and they are all HOF'er then they all get in. If we have 10 years where nobody is worthy then so be it.

As I stated earlier its becoming like making the All Star Game. Most popular gets in.

[m8644]

Noble is pretty much known as a joke to knowledgeable mets fans. The man RARELY knows what he's talking about.

[Cool Papa B.]

It's ridiculous what Noble said. My problem is that these voters like Noble aren't held accountable for the motivation behind thier decisions. I'm not justifying the spitting incident by Alomar, but he has paid the price for that and has moved on. He shouldn't be penalized for this. There needs to be accountability. If you have an ax to grind with a great player, you shouldn't be allowed to vote then IMO.

[Second Base Coach]

What I find ridiculous is people who have created a separate mythical accomplishment called "first ballot".

But it is a very real thing, no matter who cares more about "First Ballot" inner-circle types. Maybe the voters care more about it than the fans, maybe not.

But the idea of an inner circle is a very real attempt by the writers to differentiate between players like Hank Aaron and Andre Dawson.

If they choose to do that, what else CAN they do besides making someone wait? While the whole process sounds like a power trip, but I am guessing it is very real thing the writers do.

Just a guess on my part, granted. I have not done an internet search to see if any voters have come out and said this is what they do, but I would not be surprised if that is the reason why candidates trend upwards over time, which in and of itself does not make sense.

[CandlestickBum]

I agree with this statement.

Well, it's like complaining about the rain, it will exist despite your feelings about it.

[sds416]

Marty Noble is a moron. That simple. When the 1 person in the world who has any right to comment on the whole spitting thing, John Hirschbeck, says its time to move on and to not hold it against Alomar, its time to move on. This is nothing more than an attention grab by Marty Noble. His "here, look at me" moment.

The Baseball Writers Assoc. is a freakin' joke. It has been for some time. The hall of fame balloting has become a glaring example of exactly how stupid baseball writers are. It's their one opportunity to shine the spot light on themselves, to extract some small and petty act of revenege upon some perceived slight, to make sure that their favorites and good buddies get a vote here or there. Hell, a majority of them don't cover baseball regularly. And they've relaxed the standards for the Baseball Writers Assoc. to include electronic media such as bloggers and web writers to be included in the balloting. Complete idiots like Will Carroll from Baseball Prospectus has a freakin' vote for the hall of fame. That's a sad and pathetic reality apparently of where the Baseball Writers Assoc. is.

It's time for the hall of fame to review and modify the process to take a small cross section of esteemed and respected writers who actually cover the game, blend them with living members of the hall and some representation from the executive committee and create a new voting body.

[epaddon]

I think Noble's moron mentality probably rubbed off on him from having ghosted Lenny Dykstra's worthless book "Nails" that came out after the 86 season, and which has the distinction of having every other word be a four-letter one.

[Pere]

That's because it is petty.

The second part of the statement? The part where he says he will vote for him next year?

[songtitle]

Alomar, the spitter, in the HOF? Nah.