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    McGwire confesses

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    Mark McGwire admits steroid use

    "I'm sure people will wonder if I could have hit all those home runs had I never taken steroids," McGwire said. "I had good years when I didn't take any, and I had bad years when I didn't take any. I had good years when I took steroids, and I had bad years when I took steroids. But no matter what, I shouldn't have done it and for that I'm truly sorry."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4816607
    He should have come clean years ago. I can't say I sympathize with him much, but I have to give him credit for finally coming clean.
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    I guess he wanted to wait for the HOF voting one more time
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    The guilt may have been eating him up.
    I give him props for coming clean about it....but this apology was due a long time ago.
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    Imagine if Ruth, Mantle or Maris would have juiced.

    They would have hit over 100.

    Any HR record the past 15 years needs an asterisk.

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    bob costas to interview him ml b network 430 eastern
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    What gets me is this:

    Now that I have become the hitting coach for the St. Louis Cardinals, I have the chance to do something that I wish I was able to do five years ago.
    No one held a gun to his head five years ago. He didn't want to talk about it then and that was the smartest move he could make. By pleading the 5th, he couldn't risk perjury. But to say he couldn't do it? That's a cop out and an excuse. I have no sympathy for him, but it's good that he finally admitted it.
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    I'm sooooooooooooo surprised. I never would have seen this one coming in a million years!




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    two possible discussion motives on mlb network

    1) he wouldnot confess had he not chosen to come back to baseball (harold reynolds)

    2) statue of limitatons expired?
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    just read that on http://stlredbirds.com/2010/01/mark-...o-steroid-use/, Im really glad he finally came clean

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    two possible discussion motives on mlb network

    1) he wouldnot confess had he not chosen to come back to baseball (harold reynolds)

    2) statue of limitatons expired?
    Unless you're caught with a controlled substance or you test positive for use of a controlled substance, it comes down to an admission for people to truly know whether or not someone used a controlled substance. His decision was probably pressed on him by the front office. They didn't want the media circus, so it had to be done. I'm sure if he hadn't been hired, we'd never know.
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    I also feel La Russa is not a innocent angel in this

    Canseco
    McGwire

    and Pujols, while not proven, certainly has the physique

    possibly others
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    Wow, on one level, I personally feel betrayed for all the times I defended Big Mac. However, I like many feel relieved that at least he finally came forward and confessed. The interesting part here is the time frame: "I remember trying steroids very briefly in the 1989/1990 off season and then after I was injured in 1993, I used steroids again. I used them on occasion throughout the nineties, including during the 1998 season."

    This of course tells us that he did not use during the 1987 campaign when he hit his remarkable 49 homeruns as a rookie. I really don't know what perspective to look through in regards to the remainder of his career, but I know he had the potential to do what he did without the steroids. That is the key word-Potential.

    I guess now the second guessing and finger pointing begins anew, and that is sad. Soon the Roger Clemens situation will open back up, and the venom will be worse than ever. Here comes the "I knew it!" crowd. I really hope I'm wrong about it, but I don't think so.

    Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Miguel Tejada and even my pick as the greatest pitcher ever in the game Roger Clemens, now is the time. Tell the truth! Let's please put an end to it. Let's move on for Pete's sake!

    "Now that I have become the hitting coach for the St. Louis Cardinals, I have the chance to do something that I wish I was able to do five years ago.

    Us too, Mark. Us too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Venom View Post
    He should have come clean years ago. I can't say I sympathize with him much, but I have to give him credit for finally coming clean.
    And this just so happens to come out after another faile HOF induction. He's probably realized that his only chance is to come clean. Even though it won't. You really think he'd come clean if he had gotten inducted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgerBlue8188 View Post
    And this just so happens to come out after another faile HOF induction. He's probably realized that his only chance is to come clean. Even though it won't. You really think he'd come clean if he had gotten inducted?
    If anything, it damns his candidacy. I've seen McGwire supporters from the BBWAA say they support McGwire because nothing had been proven. Now that he's admitted it and went into detail about it, the argument for him significantly drops. He's never getting into the Hall of Fame and that's a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_gogol View Post
    Imagine if Ruth, Mantle or Maris would have juiced.

    They would have hit over 100.

    Any HR record the past 15 years needs an asterisk.
    Imagine if Walter Johnson, Nolan Ryan and Cy Young had used steroids like Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte did.

    All pitching statistics the past 15 years need an asterisk.
    Last edited by John Shoemaker; 01-11-2010 at 01:32 PM.

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    ... and the truly sad part is that up until this point, there were still sportswriters, fans, and even Baseball Fever members that were in full denial mode.

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    I'm so over it... So he used steroids. Who's really shocked by this?

    You gotta hand it to Canseco, he's book is proving to be almost 100% accurate so far. I'd like to hear his thoughts on Pujols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zito75 View Post
    I'm so over it... So he used steroids. Who's really shocked by this?

    You gotta hand it to Canseco, he's book is proving to be almost 100% accurate so far. I'd like to hear his thoughts on Pujols.
    agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zito75 View Post
    You gotta hand it to Canseco, he's book is proving to be almost 100% accurate so far. I'd like to hear his thoughts on Pujols.
    Excellent point. It's interesting how so many people still vilify Canseco, yet he's one of the only people that has been open about all this. Don't blame the messenger. Canseco never lied (or at least "didn't tell the complete truth" depending on how pedantic you care to be) before Congress.

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    Later today LaRussa will release a statement that he's still certain McGwire could have never done steroids and is still upset anyone would think so.

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    I really don't feel different today than I did yesterday about McGwire.
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    It's certainly no surprise. I've thought for years that his record was tainted. Roger Maris is still the single-season home run king, and probably always will be. McGwire had a lot of nerve hugging and schmoozing with the Maris family the day he hit his 62nd.
    Last edited by The Commissioner; 01-11-2010 at 02:09 PM. Reason: language, gentlemen, language
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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
    Roger Maris is still the single-season home run king, and probably always will be.
    But you're forgetting about Bonds and Sosa

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Commissioner View Post
    But you're forgetting about Bonds and Sosa
    I'm trying to...
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