McGwire confesses

[BoweryBoys]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/david_epstein/01/12/yesalis.mcgwire/index.html

[Pete Rose Rounding Third]

It was never established? "The clear" is THG, a steroid. Are you saying that this wasn't shown in court at the time? Even if this is true, does this mean Barry Bonds never took steroids?

[Ubiquitous]

It was never established? "The clear" is THG, a steroid. Are you saying that this wasn't shown in court at the time? Even if this is true, does this mean Barry Bonds never took steroids?

Yes and Bonds never said he took "The Clear".

In all probability Bonds took steroids but his court testimony does not have him admitting this.

[White Knight]

It was never established? "The clear" is THG, a steroid. Are you saying that this wasn't shown in court at the time? Even if this is true, does this mean Barry Bonds never took steroids?

Pardon my ignorance, but what effects does a cream have when compared to injections?

[ol' aches and pains]

As for evidence against Maris we have Max "Dr. Feelgood" Jacobson who was amphetamine doctor to NYC in that era. He was a presence in the Yankee clubhouse for years and it was Jacobson who gave Mantle the shot that led to him being sidelined at the end of 61. Is it a fact that Maris used? Nope. Is there some evidence that suggests that he might have used? Yes, but it isn't a lot.

What? As evidence against Maris, you have the doctor who gave Mantle a shot? That's some hard evidence there. You already connected Tom Seaver to steroids on no evidence whatsoever, now it's Maris on amphetamine!

We know McGwire is guilty, deal with it. We're not here to talk about the past.

[Bulldog19]

What? As evidence against Maris, you have the doctor who gave Mantle a shot? That's some hard evidence there. You already connected Tom Seaver to steroids on no evidence whatsoever, now it's Maris on amphetamine!

Evidence is required? Is that why people like to keep bringing Pujols' name into saying he has done steriods too?

[Ubiquitous]

What? As evidence against Maris, you have the doctor who gave Mantle a shot? That's some hard evidence there. You already connected Tom Seaver to steroids on no evidence whatsoever, now it's Maris on amphetamine!

We know McGwire is guilty, deal with it. We're not here to talk about the past.

What exactly am I supposed to deal with in terms of McGwire's guilt?

[ol' aches and pains]

What exactly am I supposed to deal with in terms of McGwire's guilt?

I don't know but you seem to be having trouble accepting it, trying to paint everybody who ever played the game with the same brush. Tom Seaver? Roger Maris?

[Ubiquitous]

I don't know but you seem to be having trouble accepting it, trying to paint everybody who ever played the game with the same brush. Tom Seaver? Roger Maris?

Accepting what? That he took steroids? I don't care if he took steroids. I don't care if Tom Seaver used or did not use. I don't care if Maris was getting shots or not. It wouldn't change how I view any of these ballplayers.

And yes I do paint everybody who ever played the game with the same brush, the human brush.

[StanTheMan]

Bonds admitted to using liquids that were creamy and liquids that were clear. Bonds has stated he did not use steroids. It was never established that these creamy liquids and clear liquids were steroids.

$10 if you make this EXACT statement your sig for two weeks...

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Accepting what? That he took steroids? I don't care if he took steroids. I don't care if Tom Seaver used or did not use. I don't care if Maris was getting shots or not. It wouldn't change how I view any of these ballplayers.

And yes I do paint everybody who ever played the game with the same brush, the human brush.

Beating around the bush again.The poster did not question whether you care or not, cut the smoke screen, that you continue to use.

He brought up the fact that your supposing Maris used benzedrine, deal with the issue, Maris and using a substance. You missed your calling in life, you should have been an attorney...... just throw something out there, maybe some on will buy.

Whats the nonsense about the human brush.
Because some moderns have got caught in the act, your supposing just about every player from the past used a substance............give us some evidence on Maris.

[StanTheMan]

Bingo. I don't think La Russa really wanted to know.

Of course he didn't want to know.... Just like Selig, the other owners, and Fehr. He11 the first tests were "confidential" until the govt said, "excuse us.... paper cover rock on this one. BTW, we're not rocks."

The true justice of it all is that many who purposefully turned a blind eye now have egg on it... On the entire face actually.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Of course he didn't want to know.... Just like Selig, the other owners, and Fehr. He11 the first tests were "confidential" until the govt said, "excuse us.... paper cover rock on this one. BTW, we're not rocks."

The true justice of it all is that many who purposefully turned a blind eye now have egg on it... On the entire face actually.

Still the bottom line STAN, those that chose to use shoulder the blame, no one else.

[Ace Venom]

Of course he didn't want to know.... Just like Selig, the other owners, and Fehr. He11 the first tests were "confidential" until the govt said, "excuse us.... paper cover rock on this one. BTW, we're not rocks."

The true justice of it all is that many who purposefully turned a blind eye now have egg on it... On the entire face actually.

Major League Baseball tried to handle it internally and they blew it miserably. A lot of these guys are going to get their own in baseball history from future generations. Even saying that, you can't really ignore the people who actually committed the crimes by using illegal substances. Just because a few people turned a blind eye or did not want to know what was going on shouldn't excuse that. It doesn't mean their credibility is going to be judged as very high.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Major League Baseball tried to handle it internally and they blew it miserably. A lot of these guys are going to get their own in baseball history from future generations. Even saying that, you can't really ignore the people who actually committed the crimes.

This is where the real truth is. Some are having difficulty laying the blame where it really belongs, no one but those that made the choice, their choice.