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    Most years without 2 straight losing seasons

    I realized the other day that in football, the Denver Broncos, through 2013 had completed 41 years without posting 2 straight losing seasons (1973-2013) and still going.

    I think this is the longest such stretch in pro football.

    So I was wondering which baseball team went the most years without posting a second losing year in succession. Also what about other sports.

    What are the longest periods without any losing seasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett View Post
    I realized the other day that in football, the Denver Broncos, through 2013 had completed 41 years without posting 2 straight losing seasons (1973-2013) and still going.

    I think this is the longest such stretch in pro football.

    So I was wondering which baseball team went the most years without posting a second losing year in succession. Also what about other sports.

    What are the longest periods without any losing seasons?
    I think the Cardinals have had back -to-back losing seasons twice since the 20s or something. I will check when I have more time.
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    From 1926-64 the Yankees had a winning record every year. That's 39 consecutive seasons. I'll bet that's never been topped.

    If you want to work off that, from 1919-64 the Yankees had only one losing season.

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    I think Ian2813 has it. That would have been my guess.
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    The Cardinals have had back-to-back losing seasons 3x since 1920:

    54-56
    58-59
    94-95

    So once in the past 55 seasons. In fact, they have finished in last place once since 1913. Not the Yankees or anything, but still pretty impressive, esp. for fly-over country.
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    In the NBA, I'll guess San Antonio has the longest current streak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    In the NBA, I'll guess San Antonio has the longest current streak.
    Probably. I know it has been awhile for the Mavs too. I will post some in a little bit.
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    Seasons since second of back-to-back losing season (those at 10+):

    1. Suns-26. (On two occasions were 41-41 or the streak would have been broken. But this is the winner if going by strict definition of "without losing season")

    2. Spurs- 25 (Have been under .500 once since The Admirals rookie season in 1989. Of course they were so bad that one year, they won the draft lottery and drafted Tim Duncan #1)

    3. Lakers -19 (That will be coming to an end this year)

    4. Mavs- 14 (Dirk is really good)

    4. Rockets -14 (Always a great big-man it seems)

    6. Heat-11 (and who says the franchise was only about LeBron?)

    6. Nuggets -11 ( Will end with a sub-500 season this year)
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    In 1940-41 and 1941-42, the Montreal Canadiens had losing seasons. They haven't had back-to-back losing seasons since. That's 72 straight and counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstrosFan View Post
    In 1940-41 and 1941-42, the Montreal Canadiens had losing seasons. They haven't had back-to-back losing seasons since. That's 72 straight and counting.
    That is because they record OT losses separately yet include OT wins in the Wins section. The lost more games than they won back to back about 13-14 years ago. But they did go 60 years or so before that. Pretty impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    That is because they record OT losses separately yet include OT wins in the Wins section. The lost more games than they won back to back about 13-14 years ago. But they did go 60 years or so before that. Pretty impressive.
    You're right. Indeed, it was the first two years OT losses were kept as a separate part of the standings, in 1999-00 and 2000-01. So the streak would run from 1942-43 through 1998-99, or 1999-00 if you want to say they hadn't yet gone back-to-back that year. That's 57 or 58 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstrosFan View Post
    You're right. Indeed, it was the first two years OT losses were kept as a separate part of the standings, in 1999-00 and 2000-01. So the streak would run from 1942-43 through 1998-99, or 1999-00 if you want to say they hadn't yet gone back-to-back that year. That's 57 or 58 years.
    That is still amazing. I am sure that is the record. I wonder whom the current leader is?
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    Ian is correct -- the MLB record is 46, by the 1919-1964 Yankees (45-1).

    Other streaks of 20 or more (* = active):
    37: 1903-1939 Giants (34-3)
    34: 1960-1993 Cardinals (23-10-1)
    33: 1921-1953 Cardinals (30-3)
    28: 1918-1945 Pirates (24-4)
    28: 1939-1966 Dodgers (25-3)
    27: 1988-2014 Dodgers (21-5-1)*
    26: 1960-1985 Orioles (24-2)
    25: 1934-1958 Red Sox (18-5-2)
    25: 1967-1991 Red Sox (22-2-1)
    24: 1971-1994 Royals (17-7)
    24: 1991-2014 Braves (21-3)* -- another losing season in 2015 will cut the streak back to 23 (21-2)
    22: 1901-1922 White Sox (16-5-1)
    22: 1993-2014 Yankees (22-0)*
    21: 1961-1981 Reds (19-2)
    21: 1968-1988 Yankees (18-3)
    20: 1995-2014 Angels (14-6)*
    20: 1995-2014 Red Sox (17-3)* -- another losing season in 2015 will cut the streak back to 19 (17-2)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdlinger View Post
    Ian is correct -- the MLB record is 46, by the 1919-1964 Yankees (45-1).

    Other streaks of 20 or more (* = active):
    37: 1903-1939 Giants (34-3)
    34: 1960-1993 Cardinals (23-10-1)
    33: 1921-1953 Cardinals (30-3)
    28: 1918-1945 Pirates (24-4)
    28: 1939-1966 Dodgers (25-3)
    27: 1988-2014 Dodgers (21-5-1)*
    26: 1960-1985 Orioles (24-2)
    25: 1934-1958 Red Sox (18-5-2)
    25: 1967-1991 Red Sox (22-2-1)
    24: 1971-1994 Royals (17-7)
    24: 1991-2014 Braves (21-3)* -- another losing season in 2015 will cut the streak back to 23 (21-2)
    22: 1901-1922 White Sox (16-5-1)
    22: 1993-2014 Yankees (22-0)*
    21: 1961-1981 Reds (19-2)
    21: 1968-1988 Yankees (18-3)
    20: 1995-2014 Angels (14-6)*
    20: 1995-2014 Red Sox (17-3)* -- another losing season in 2015 will cut the streak back to 19 (17-2)
    Aren't the 1996-2015 Cards guaranteed a spot since they can't have back-to-back losing seasons until 2015-2016?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    Aren't the 1996-2015 Cards guaranteed a spot since they can't have back-to-back losing seasons until 2015-2016?
    If they have a losing season next year, then they hit 20 years, but if they also have a losing season in 2016, then the streak goes back to 19. I'm not counting any period of two consecutive losing seasons. Otherwise most of these streaks would simply be 2 years longer (1 losing season on either end).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdlinger View Post
    If they have a losing season next year, then they hit 20 years, but if they also have a losing season in 2016, then the streak goes back to 19. I'm not counting any period of two consecutive losing seasons. Otherwise most of these streaks would simply be 2 years longer (1 losing season on either end).
    Got it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdlinger View Post
    If they have a losing season next year, then they hit 20 years, but if they also have a losing season in 2016, then the streak goes back to 19. I'm not counting any period of two consecutive losing seasons. Otherwise most of these streaks would simply be 2 years longer (1 losing season on either end).
    That's not exactly how I defined it though, I wasn't sure of the best way. The specific definition was most years between a SECOND straight losing season, so the first of two doesn't count in that regard, but the second of two does count at the start. I guess your definition is clear though. Begin and end the streak with a win, and no 2 consecutive losing seasons in the stretch. I think that is better.

    The Broncos then have a current run of 41, which will likely continue this season-pretty close to the Yankees and I think harder to do in football, but surprised it was better than runs by Steelers, 49ers, etc.

    Any other teams in other sports close to the Yanks at 46?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett View Post
    That's not exactly how I defined it though, I wasn't sure of the best way. The specific definition was most years between a SECOND straight losing season, so the first of two doesn't count in that regard, but the second of two does count at the start. I guess your definition is clear though. Begin and end the streak with a win, and no 2 consecutive losing seasons in the stretch. I think that is better.

    The Broncos then have a current run of 41, which will likely continue this season-pretty close to the Yankees and I think harder to do in football, but surprised it was better than runs by Steelers, 49ers, etc.

    Any other teams in other sports close to the Yanks at 46?
    Suns at 26. Not sure about the active leader in the NHL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brett View Post
    That's not exactly how I defined it though, I wasn't sure of the best way. The specific definition was most years between a SECOND straight losing season, so the first of two doesn't count in that regard, but the second of two does count at the start. I guess your definition is clear though. Begin and end the streak with a win, and no 2 consecutive losing seasons in the stretch. I think that is better.

    The Broncos then have a current run of 41, which will likely continue this season-pretty close to the Yankees and I think harder to do in football, but surprised it was better than runs by Steelers, 49ers, etc.

    Any other teams in other sports close to the Yanks at 46?
    I was going by how you defined the start of the Broncos' streak with a non-losing season. Like I said, though, if you define it as you describe here, then most of the streaks I listed simply get extended by two, with one losing season at the start and one at the end. Some only get extended by one year. The White Sox' streak began in their first MLB season, so they only get to tack on the additional losing season in 1923. The active streaks also only get one year added: the losing season prior to the start of their streak. In any case, the Yankees' run from 1918/19 to 1964/65 is by a handy margin the longest in MLB history.

    BTW, it's interesting how many 8-8 seasons kept the Broncos' streak going (8, including two in a row from 2008-09). That was a shaky period from '07 to '11 (7-9, 8-8, 8-8, 4-12, 8-8).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    Suns at 26. Not sure about the active leader in the NHL.
    The Red Wings are currently at 23. They did have two losing seasons prior to that. I know they have the longest current streak of making the playoffs, also at 23, but I'm not sure if another team has gone longer.
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    Here's the flip side to this: longest streaks without 2 straight winning seasons.

    34: 1960-1993 Indians (6-27-1)
    31: 1918-1948 Phillies (1-30)
    30: 1973-2002 Cubs (6-23-1)
    29: 1892-1920 Browns/Perfectos/Cardinals (5-24)
    28: 1934-1961 Senators/Twins (4-23-1)
    20: 1901-1920 Brewers/Browns (4-16)
    20: 1947-1966 Cubs (1-18-1)
    20: 1993-2012 Pirates (0-20)
    19: 1984-2002 Phillies (3-15-1)
    18: 1919-1936 Red Sox (1-16-1)
    18: 1950-1967 Athletics (1-17)
    18: 1977-1994 Mariners (2-16)
    18: 1995-2012 Royals (1-17)
    17: 1961-1977 Angels (4-13)
    17: 1989-2005 Tigers (2-15)
    16: 1917-1932 Braves (1-14-1)
    16: 1961-1976 Senators/Rangers (2-14)
    15: 1885-1899 Colonels (2-13)
    15: 1967-1981 Braves (4-10-1)
    15: 1969-1983 Padres (1-12-2)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
    The Red Wings are currently at 23. They did have two losing seasons prior to that. I know they have the longest current streak of making the playoffs, also at 23, but I'm not sure if another team has gone longer.
    I figured it might be the Wings. Could be over for them this year.
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