I've been looking for the answer to this trivia question for years, and I'm hoping someone on this forum knows the answer. Not only don't I know the answer, but no one seems to, so I'm not even sure they keep the stat I'm looking for. What batter drove home which teammate, who obviously batted in front of him, the most. In other words, did McCovey drive home Mays more times than anyone else drove in a teammate? Or was it Matthews driving in Aaron? Gehrig driving in Ruth might be the answer, if not for the most in history, probably for a single season record. Anyway, if you know these answers (career and single season), please let me know, because I've been searching for years.
I would think that for one season it could possibly be Hack Wilson driving in Kiki Cuyler in 1930.Wilson drove in a record 191 runs while Cuyler scored 155 runs.Cuyler only hit 13 homers,so that is 142 runs he scored by being driven in by someone else-in 1930 that someone else was very often Wilson.Probably very,very often!
Last edited by Nimrod; 11-02-2013 at 05:15 PM.
Hack Wilson/Kiki Cuyler is an excellent guess. Do you know anyway we can confirm this? I can't seem to find this stat in any baseball encyclopedia.
Not exactly what you're looking for, but here's a Sporcle quiz I made on the pairs of teammates who've homered in/been homered in the most times. Aaron knocked in Mathews by a record 94 HR.
That's a great one, Nerdlinger. Very close. If there's a record of that, there must be a record of RBI's for my question. Could you find my answer, based on your previous research? Also, surprised to know Aaron batted behind Mathews, always assumed Aaron batted third. And shocked to see Gehrig and Ruth didn't even show on your list. I guess when you cleared the bases as many times as Ruth did, it's hard to get driven in sometimes. Makes Gehrig's RBI numbers even more impressive. I'm guessing Aaron and Mathews might be both the single season record to my question, and lifetime!
The single season candidates:
In 1930 Cuyler(122 non HR runs as the #3 hitter) batted in front of Wilson(191 RBIs) 132 games. Wilson had at least 64 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Cuyler scoring which leaves 122 potential RBIs that scored Cuyler.
In 1999 Roberto Alomar(114 non HR runs) batted in front of Manny Ramirez(165 RBIs) 136 games. Ramirez had at least 55 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Alomar scoring which leaves 110 potential RBIs that scored Alomar.
In 1930 Ruth(113 non HR runs) batted in front of Gehrig(184 RBIS) 142 games. Gehrig had at least 54 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Ruth scoring which leaves Gehrig 113 potential RBIs that scored Ruth.
In 1937 Gehringer(119 non HR runs) batted in front of Greenberg(183 RBIs) 141 games. Greenberg had at least 54 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Gehringer scoring which leaves 119 potential RBIs that scored Gehringer.
In 1921 Roger Pekinpaugh(120 non HR runs) batted in front of Ruth(171 RBIs) in 141 games. Ruth had at least 70 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Pekinpaugh scoring which leaves 101 potential RBIs that scored Roger.
In 1935 Gehringer(104 non HR runs) batted in front of Greenberg(170 RBIs) in 141 games. Greenberg had at least 42 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Gehringer scoring which leaves 104 potential RBIs that scored Gehhringer.
In 1932 Al Simmons(109 non HR runs) batted in front of Foxx(169 RBIs) in 154 games. Foxx had at least 75 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Simmons scoring which leaves 94 potential RBIs that scored Simmons.
In 1937 Red Rolfe(139 non HR runs) batted in front of DiMaggio(167 RBIs) in 146 games. DiMaggio had at least 59 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Rolfe scoring which leaves 108 potential RBIs that scored Rolfe.
in 1895 Ed Delahanty(138 Non HR runs) batted in front of Sam Thompson(165 RBIs)- Delahanty was 2nd and Thompson 3rd on the team in plate appearances per game so this is based on that. Thompson had at least 24 RBIs on his HRs that wasn't Delahanty scoring which leaves 138 potential RBIs that scored Delahanty.
In 1887 either Dan Brouthers(141 non HR runs) or Jack Rowe(129 non HR runs) batted in front of Sam Thompson(166 RBIs)- again this is based on team ranks in PA/Game. Thompson had at least 15 RBIs on his HRs that didn't score the batter immediately in front of him which leaves 129 or 141 potential RBIs.
In 1949 Ted Williams(107 non HR runs) batted in front of Vern Stephens(159 RBIs) in 155 games. Stephens had at least 48 RBIs that didn't score Williams which leaves 107 potential RBIs that scored Williams.
In 1929 Mickey Cochrane(106 non HR runs) batted in front of Al Simmons(157 RBIs) in 127 games. Simmons had at least 44 RBIs that didn't score Cochrane which leaves 106 potnetial RBIs that scored Cochrane.
In 1886 George Gore(144 non HR runs) batted in front of Cap Anson(147 RBIs)- based on team ranks in PA/Game. Anson had at least 11 RBIs that didn't score Gore which leaves 136 potential RBIs that scores Gore.
Based on this and on his 45 doubles and 21 triples, I'm guessing Sam Thompson scoring Ed Delahanty in 1895 is the single season record.
Last edited by LVW; 11-03-2013 at 07:53 AM.
Those are great LVW! There's got to be a way to figure this out with all the stats out there.
To go a step futher(since each HR takes a potential RBI away from the total and other hits don't):
1930 Wilson- 80 1b, 35 2b, and 6 3b.
1999 Ramirez- 93 1b , 34 2b, and 3 3b
1930 Gehrig- 120 1b, 42 2b, and 17 3b
1937 Greenberg- 97 1b, 49 2b, and 14 3b
1921 Ruth- 95 1b, 44 2b, and 16 3b
1935 Greenberg- 105 1b, 46 2b, and 16 3b
1937 DiMaggio- 119 1b, 35 2b, and 15 3b
1895 Thompson- 127 1b, 45 2b, and 21 3b
1887 Thompson- 141 1b, 29 2b, and 23 3b
1949 Stephens- 105 1b, 31 2b, and 2 3b
1929 Simmons- 118 1b, 41 2b, and 16 3b
1886 Anson- 131 1b, 35 2b, and 11 3b
The 1895 Thompson had the most potential RBIs, 3rd most 1b, 3rd most 2b, and 2nd most 3b among the players listed plus Delahanty batting in front had 49 2b, 10 3b, and 46 SB- that's why I go with him.
I appreciate those 1895 numbers, but I'd still like to know the answers to teammates in the word series era.
The available data from Retrosheet at the time only went back to 1948. I think it's back to 1945 by now. Either way, Ruth and Gehrig won't show up. I could try to replicate the analysis looking at all RBIs rather than just HRs, but it'd take a while for me to do, and again, would only go back to the mid-'40s.
Originally Posted by MazzilliFan
I don't think it would be Thompson 1895 actually. Billy Hamilton was batting before Delahanty and Thomspon and he scored 166 runs that year (down from his all time record of 198 in 1894). I imagine a heck of a lot of those runs were driven in Thompson, when not by Delahanty. Hamilton's and Delahanty's OBPs that year were .490 and .500 so it's no surprise that Thompson drove in 165 runs in 119 games, but again, I think a lot of his RBI were Hamilton.
You also have to account for the fact there was a lot higher rate of wlid pitches, passed balls and steals of home back then. The NL team average of wild pitches plus passed balls in 1885 was 163. And with 97 steals no telling how many runs Hamilton scored that wasn't a result of a batted ball.
Originally Posted by Buzzaldrin
In 1885 no one was wearing any gloves at all and many catchers weren't standing right behind the catcher, but I wonder if you meant to write 1895 or not. There must have been far fewer passed balls in 1895 then 1885, not least because of the increased pitching distance. But good points on Hamilton's running skills.