Worst clubhouse chemistry guys

[rsuriyop]

John Rocker
Jesse Burkett
Johnny Evers
Lefty Grove
Ken Williams (Stl Browns)

[9RoyHobbsRF]

He'll be on his fifth team in four years this season, there's usually a reason for that.

example A = Rogers Hornsby

[RuthMayBond]

He'll be on his fifth team in four years this season, there's usually a reason for that.

example A = Rogers Hornsby

Then I think you've GOT to include Mr. 1977, Dave Kingman

[Mr. Pibb]

Reggie Jackson has had his image made over the same as Muhammad Ali. In their time, they both were considered loudmouth idiots by a lot of people. Now, they're canonized by the media.

I agree about Reggie. Saw an interview with him a few years ago where he was criticizing today's players for not respecting the game and appreciating what they have, etc. I thought to myself, how can he be saying this...considering he was the original a-hole!

[Beady]

The producers of the old Home Run derby television show. They used to pay pitchers to give up home runs balls, and you can't get much worse for clubhouse chemistry than that.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I'm stunned that no one has mentioned Milton Bradley yet.

Chris Brown, former Giant third baseman, was another poison pill; a loafer and a malingerer.

[ol' aches and pains]

I'm stunned that no one has mentioned Milton Bradley yet.

First sentence of the first post...

[jbenchley]

You have to throw Gary Shefiedl into this discussion as well. Absolutely a horrible person to have in the clubhouse. He badtalked every team he had been with previously, i was so happy when Detroit got rid of him. He was a cancer with every team he played for imo.

[Captain Cold Nose]

You have to throw Gary Shefiedl into this discussion as well. Absolutely a horrible person to have in the clubhouse. He badtalked every team he had been with previously, i was so happy when Detroit got rid of him. He was a cancer with every team he played for imo.

Sheffield was great his first year in Detroit, especially with Curtis Granderson. His second year, though, is when he stopped being so helpful. Pretty much controlling whatever music was played in the clubhouse was one thing that stands out for me.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

You have to throw Gary Shefiedl into this discussion as well. Absolutely a horrible person to have in the clubhouse. He badtalked every team he had been with previously, i was so happy when Detroit got rid of him. He was a cancer with every team he played for imo.

Thats for sure. I recall when he was with the Yanks, after the first couple of years broadcasters were saying, don't see any problems with Gary. Not like his past track record, looks fine with the Yanks.
Until Gary left.............her comes the old Gary, first it was two other former teams, Brewers and Dodgers, not treating him fair, it was his skin color. Now he leaves the Yanks and bad mouths Joe Torre, according to Gary, Joe treats white and black player differently.
Whats amazing on this board is some come to Gary's defense, it's earlier problems in life, his skin color, lets cut him some slack.
OK Gary is right and others are wrong, three diferent teams, all wrong, not treating him fair..........sure.

[ol' aches and pains]

Thats for sure. I recall when he was with the Yanks, after the first couple of years broadcasters were saying, don't see any problems with Gary. Not like his past track record, looks fine with the Yanks.
Until Gary left.............her comes the old Gary, first it was two other former teams, Brewers and Dodgers, not treating him fair, it was his skin color. Now he leaves the Yanks and bad mouths Joe Torre, according to Gary, Joe treats white and black player differently.
Whats amazing on this board is some come to Gary's defense, it's earlier problems in life, his skin color, lets cut him some slack.
OK Gary is right and others are wrong, three diferent teams, all wrong, not treating him fair..........sure.

Hell, you can't even call Milton Bradley a cancer on this board without getting an argument.

[RuthMayBond]

Hell, you can't even call Milton Bradley a cancer on this board without getting an argument.

some people just like to play games

[ol' aches and pains]

You'd think Milton himself would be more of a "gamer" with that name.

[Victory Faust]

You'd think Milton himself would be more of a "gamer" with that name.

Groan!

[RuthMayBond]

Did I nominate David Cone? (because of the bleach incident)

Did anyone get the "chemistry" reference?

[Victory Faust]

Did anyone get the "chemistry" reference?

Nope, flew over my pointy head like a birdie.

Another entry for worst clubhouse guy, if he's not already been mentioned -- Chick Gandil. Talk about infiiltrating a clubhouse!

[Victory Faust]

George Stovall certainly deserves a mention. In 1907 he busted his manager, Nap Lajoie, over the head with an oak chair because Nap dropped him in the batting order!

[Wade8813]

Hell, you can't even call Milton Bradley a cancer on this board without getting an argument.

The thing with calling him a cancer is that (from what I've heard) he's only sometimes a cancer. With some teams, he's nutso, but with others, he's been fine (which is why I'm optimistic with him coming to the Mariners this year).

[Beady]

George Stovall certainly deserves a mention. In 1907 he busted his manager, Nap Lajoie, over the head with an oak chair because Nap dropped him in the batting order!

The Cleveland management must not have thought Stovall was too bad, though, because they made him the manager a few years later.

[Paul Wendt]

Quote Originally Posted by RuthMayBond View Post
> Did I nominate David Cone? (because of the bleach incident)

Did anyone get the "chemistry" reference?

If you need to explain, it didn't work.

[Paul Wendt]

The Cleveland management must not have thought Stovall was too bad, though, because they made him the manager a few years later.

"Firebrand" George Stovall replaced Deacon McGuire early in 1911 and completed the season. McGuire had followed Lajoie.

The Yankees replaced George Stallings with his foe "Prince Hal" Chase late in 1910 and retained Chase in the role for 1911.

Stovall and Chase were the regular firstbasemen. McGuire and Stallings were professional managers.

[RuthMayBond]

If you need to explain, it didn't work.

I'd like to think that my humor is too far over you guys, but I secretly suspect it's just the opposite

[Eastvanmungo]

John Rocker
Jesse Burkett
Johnny Evers
Lefty Grove
Ken Williams (Stl Browns)

I don't know about Grove. He was certainly known to fly into rages and toss the locker room after a loss... but in some ways I'd consider that to be good clubhouse chemistry. He was a competitive a-hole, which might make him a poor dinner guest, but on a professional sport team is actually useful. He only made one team move in his career and that was because Mack was cutting salary... I'd think that bad clubhouse guys would be moved more than that.

By contribution would be Hal Chase... and some of Jackie Robinson's initial teammates (Dixie Walker, for instance).

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Has anyone noticed that "some" of the most thought of clubhouse cancers were not thought of in that way by a good number who were teammates.

Some players have a bad rep but then we see comments by former teammates and they got along fine.
I think over the years the bad rep story gets legs and appears to be worse than it actually was, in some cases.

[ol' aches and pains]

... and some of Jackie Robinson's initial teammates (Dixie Walker, for instance).

Dixie Walker was "The Peoples' Choice" (or Cherce), he was the most popular player in Brooklyn before Robinson came along. Of course, that changed a lot of things.