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    Quote Originally Posted by KHenry14 View Post
    Most people think it was just that he didn't want to be there so he was acting out in order to get moved. But trust me, he was a huge pain the one season he was there, so his acting out worked for him.
    Reading between the lines, I was under the impression that he was a blowhard, and inavertently(?) insulted a clubhouse leader, pretty sure it was a pitcher, which as a sign of unanimity the rest of the clubhouse turned against AJ. It sure seemed like some clique thing where he was ostrasized pretty early on and he was too proud to bend and get past it.
    And yeah, he made some a-hole quotes that were printed, and pitchers gripes of lazyness about catching warm ups or something as well.
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    AJ is an a******** but when you win people are willing to take it. Ozzie used to make jokes about how bad AJ's personality is, I don't know if he still does. It was pretty common knowledge that AJ was one of the most hated players in the league. During spring training with the Giants AJ took a ball to the nuts and the trainer ran out to him and ask him how did it feel and he replied by punching the trainer in the nuts and saying "like this".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    AJ is an a******** but when you win people are willing to take it. Ozzie used to make jokes about how bad AJ's personality is, I don't know if he still does. It was pretty common knowledge that AJ was one of the most hated players in the league. During spring training with the Giants AJ took a ball to the nuts and the trainer ran out to him and ask him how did it feel and he replied by punching the trainer in the nuts and saying "like this".
    I've heard that story, and I agree it takes an A------ to do that. But again, AJ has been with the Sox for five+ seasons now, and a clubhouse cancer doesn't stay in one place for five years unless he's Barry Bonds. I think he may have grown up some since his year with the Jints.
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    I'm not claiming he is a clubhouse cancer. Frankly, I don't think fans have the first clue as to who is or isn't a clubhouse cancer.

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    I always heard A.J. Pierzynski got a bad rap in SanFransico because one time instead of going over the opposing teams lineups he was playing cards and also I heard that alot of the SF players were really religous and A.J. rubbed those guys the wrong way. He does seem kinda arrogant though and i've heard he sometimes acts like a diva. There was a story once about him and the batboy or clubhouse kid and he went off on the poor kid for not packing his bats in the way he liked em packed. I would say he's well liked though in the Sox clubhouse unlike Frank Thomas who was despised by most teammates.

    In a spring training game he payed 100 bucks to any Sox hitter who hit a homerun off any of those Giants pitchers who gave him the slacker rap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsuriyop View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    I'm not claiming he is a clubhouse cancer. Frankly, I don't think fans have the first clue as to who is or isn't a clubhouse cancer.
    Can one player actually have a "cancerous" effect on a baseball team? I can see how one "carcinogen" can be detrimental to a basketball team but in baseball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
    Can one player actually have a "cancerous" effect on a baseball team? I can see how one "carcinogen" can be detrimental to a basketball team but in baseball?
    I always have a problem with clubhouse cancers. How much could it hurt a team. What effect if any does it carry on to the playing field., It's something that just can't be measured and thats the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
    I always have a problem with clubhouse cancers. How much could it hurt a team. What effect if any does it carry on to the playing field., It's something that just can't be measured and thats the problem.
    I agree with both Shoeless and Joltin' Joe here. As much as baseball is a team sport, it's very independent as far as each play goes (with the exception of the battery and double play combos).

    Other sports rely more on chemistry since each play involves all the players on the floor/field/ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
    Can one player actually have a "cancerous" effect on a baseball team? I can see how one "carcinogen" can be detrimental to a basketball team but in baseball?
    I'm still getting grief for John Rocker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
    I always have a problem with clubhouse cancers. How much could it hurt a team. What effect if any does it carry on to the playing field., It's something that just can't be measured and thats the problem.

    You're right; it absolutely cannot be measured. You also can't measure exactly when it's time to end a job, or a marriage, either, but at some point you decide the negatives outweigh the positives. Same thing with clubhouse cancers. Just because it can't be quantified doesn't mean it isn't something people who run baseball teams don't have to deal with.

    For example, last year, the Mariners -- a sabermetric team if ever there was one -- decided to cut Milton Bradley after only 28 games. Granted, he was having a horrible year, and coming off his worst season ever, in which he appeared in just 73 games. But we're talking about a 33-year-old only three years removed from a fantastic 2008 season, and who had been a damn fine ballplayer up to that point.

    Yet, because the Mariners couldn't find anyone who wanted this clubhouse cancer in a trade, they decided to eat his $13 million contract and just release him.

    From a cold-eyed analystical standpoint, the smart thing to do would have been to either keep letting him play (after all, it was just May when they jettisoned him); or else bench him in hopes that a little time off would help him regain his earlier form. You wouldn't just release a 33-year-old player who had been, up until recently, a really good ballplayer...unless there were other issues that made it not worth having him around.

    In the real world, when you're talking about a headcase like Bradley, keeping him on the team was apparently far more trouble than it was worth. So Jack Z, of Moneyball fame, decided to pay Bradley $13 million to leave, and stop poisoning his clubhouse.
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    Don't know if I missed it but did anyone say Carl Everett? He was a #1 pick by the Yankees and they let him go to the Marlins in the expansion draft. He also played for Boston and the Mets. During his time with the Mets there was a front-page story detailing how his children, when dropped off at the Shea Stadium daycare center for players families, had bruises that suggested they were beaten and/or abused. I'm not sure what Everett's defense was....he may have blamed his wife. But I certainly remember the headlines in the NY Daily News.

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    Scott Rolen and Stormin' Gorman Thomas.

    I remember reading as a kid in the mid or late 80s that Thomas had ticked off his Brewers teammates time and again by faking injury so he wouldn't have to do his running either in spring training or before games (or both). Rather he would just take it easy on the bench by himself and watch everyone else run. Cancer? I don't know. I just remember that apparently this went over like a fart in church for a few Brewer players.

    I love Scotty Rolen and will always remember his production and great glove work for my Birds during the great years in the mid 00s, but he was well known to have blow outs with management in St Louis and also Philly I believe. Again, cancer? Don't know. Just not conducive to a positive clubhouse atmosphere when you got issues like that.
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    According to the recent biography of Roy Campanella after about 1952 Jackie Robinson was a clubhouse cancer in Brooklyn, especially among the black players. According to the author because of this Robinson trades were routinly rumored for the last five years of his career. I've read a lot about Robinson and don't know if I'm ready to believe he was a cancerous element in the Dodgers clubhouse, but I do believe that even in the best circumstances that he would have been a difficult person to get along with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    According to the recent biography of Roy Campanella after about 1952 Jackie Robinson was a clubhouse cancer in Brooklyn, especially among the black players. According to the author because of this Robinson trades were routinly rumored for the last five years of his career. I've read a lot about Robinson and don't know if I'm ready to believe he was a cancerous element in the Dodgers clubhouse, but I do believe that even in the best circumstances that he would have been a difficult person to get along with.
    That is interesting I wonder if the new movie will show that side of him if it is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    I've read a lot about Robinson and don't know if I'm ready to believe he was a cancerous element in the Dodgers clubhouse, but I do believe that even in the best circumstances that he would have been a difficult person to get along with.
    If this is true, it makes it even more remarkable that he kept his promise with Branch Rickey and during the promised duration, kept his cool and didn't talk back, retaliate, or fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
    If this is true, it makes it even more remarkable that he kept his promise with Branch Rickey and during the promised duration, kept his cool and didn't talk back, retaliate, or fight back.
    Eig's Opening Day showed that Robinson did instigate some opponents in 1947.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdTarbusz View Post
    Eig's Opening Day showed that Robinson did instigate some opponents in 1947.
    instigate or retaliate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltin' Joe View Post
    instigate or retaliate?
    I think it depends on your perspective. I came away thinking it was a little of both.

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    There are many good candidates who have been mentioned on the last several years. A few seem mentally unhinged, but most just seem like lousy people.

    I'd like to offer up Jake Powell, who preceded Rocker by three decades. His response to an anti-black tirade he broadcast was to go to saloons in Harlem, identify himself, and buy everyone drinks. Years later he was arrested for passing a bad check and blew his brains out in a police station. Then there is Ben Chapman, a vicious bigot as a player and as a manager.

    Let us not forget the famous "Cap" Anson, who re-segregated organized baseball, which action lasted almost 70 years.

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