This is our thirty-second election in this project. The entire rules follow.
This election will end at 11:59:59 PM EST on March 12, 2010.
The prior election, and the ballots of the 1966 voters, are in this thread
Researcher/advocate/mod
This is our thirty-second election in this project. The entire rules follow.
This election will end at 11:59:59 PM EST on March 12, 2010.
The prior election, and the ballots of the 1966 voters, are in this thread
Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
Researcher/advocate/mod
Rules
1) All BBF users in good standing may participate. However, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance. Should there be unannounced multiple votes from the same IP, I will investigate the circumstances, and all user names involved may be barred from this project as a result, and all but one of the multiple usernames permanently banned from the site. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same. I have had to deal with a single user manipulating a project with multiple votes, and I don't intend to repeat the experience.
2) Elections will require a 10 voter quorum. If we do not get ten voters and there are candidate(s) who would be elected no matter what the voters needed to make a quorum did, those candidate(s) will be inducted. Otherwise, no one will be inducted. Further, if we fail to meet a quorum in two of any four consecutive elections, the project will end. If, for instance, we're doing fine on the player end but not the contributor end, I would drop the contributor end under this rule.
3) We will start in 1936, just as Cooperstown did. For the first election (1936), voters will rank their top 20, taking 10. After that we will go to having voters rank their top 12 players. Points awarded 12-11-10, etc. We will take the top five through 1940, then top three players per year elected until 2010, then two per year. If a voter does not number his selections, I will try to get him/her to do so. If they do not do so before the end of the election period, I may in my sole discretion invalidate the ballot. I have included this provision in order to ease the process of recording the votes. On another point, I know, the 1936 backlog is huge--but that was a historical issue they couldn't avoid, so neither will we.
4) We will also have a contributor ballot, which will elect one a year through 1985, then one every three (3) years. Contributors will be ranked 1 through 5, with points awarded 5-4-3-2-1. Voters may choose to participate in either one of the ballots or both.
5) It is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists.
6) You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the ballot is open. However, if you change your ballot, you've got to notify me (jalbright) by PM or by a new post in the voting thread, or the changes likely will not be registered.
7) Players are eligible at the later of age 45 or the first year thereafter in which the player does not play. If the birthdate is not known, add five years to the first time the player misses a season and has less than 10 games the next season. There is an exception for early death, in which case the year of death plus two will be used if that yields an earlier date.
8) Contributors become eligible at age 65 or in the year of death plus two. whichever comes first.
9) Each election will run for approximately two weeks unless expressly altered by the project manager, contributors and players done simultaneously.
10) No one is excluded from being a candidate, regardless of the league they played in, except those elected in either the contributor or player ballots. At that point, they are removed from further consideration. If there are players who returned to the Negro Leagues or Japan after going to the majors, the departure from the majors will be their career end date for purposes of this project.
11) The standard for including a player on one's ballot is that the player must in the voter's opinion be among the very best eligible players (preferably the number voted on, but if a voter wishes to support someone they feel is 15th in a 12 person ballot instead of one of the top 12, it's too close for anyone to reasonably object. On the other hand, supporting the 25th best eligible candidate on a 12 person ballot is probably beyond the pale). I reserve the power to invalidate ballots which I do not feel are a reasonably knowledgeable, good faith effort to rank the players. One issue I am quite concerned about is that I do not want to see what clearly appear to be attempts to manipulate the ballot so as to elect a candidate. In isolation, I probably could live with this, but if it became a widely used tactic, the project would devolve into something I have no desire to be associated with. Moreover, I think that this position asks everyone else to cast legitimate votes so that you can manipulate the system to favor your pet candidates. I cannot accept that, as it strikes me as unfair to other voters. For example, you can't expect to favor even a legitimate HOF candidate like Bill Dahlen over Babe Ruth to get Dahlen elected without being asked to provide a reasonable justification for ranking Dahlen over Ruth. If you can provide a reasonable justification in that scenario, the ballot will stand. If not, you will be asked to make a change. I realize voters will sometimes have idiosyncratic choices, and I try to allow for that. However, a clear flouting of a consensus is apt to be met with a request that the ballot be justified pursuant to this rule. Certainly, a reasonable justification does not indicate in essence simply that you want Dahlen elected. Furthermore, if I invalidate multiple ballots by the same individual as failing to meet this rule, that individual will forever lose the right to have his/her ballots counted. Voters are encouraged to consider character, sportsmanship, and compliance with the rules and spirit of baseball in their rankings of players.
12) I will post lists of eligible players and contributors before each election. If you have a question about the eligibility of a candidate, please ask. I will provide a list of future eligibility dates as well.
13) My eligibility lists come from all persons in the BBF HOF, BBTF Hall of Merit, and Cooperstown, plus all persons getting a vote in a BBF HOF election in the past year and a half or in a BBWAA election. This is a relatively comprehensive list, and thus I must request that if you want another candidate included, you provide some justification for why said candidate is worthy of getting a vote in this project. The main area I think this might come into play is if a voter supports a person who was eligible for the final selections from the recent pre WWII or Negro League committees but not on my master list. That fact alone would serve as ample justification for putting said candidate on the list. We may learn more about Cuban ball or what have you and thus include others after a case is made for them, however. The contributor list is undoubtedly not as comprehensive, and this fact will be taken into consideration.
14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant. Contributors are to be ranked based on who the voter thinks is most worthy of induction into the Contributor group in this project.
15) Any ballot with two (2) or more spots unfilled with eligible candidates is invalid. In the event of the listing of ineligible names, I will try to notify the voter so that he/she can correct the ballot before the end of the voting period. If the change is made timely, it will count. If not, and there are two or more invalid names, the ballot will not be considered valid. If there is only one, the ineligible name will be stricken and all names after it on the affected ballot will be moved up one spot.
16) Any players listed beyond the 12th place for any ballot but the first (in which case it is 20th place) will be ignored. If more than one person is listed as tied for the last available place and the ballot is oversize, all names will be dropped, which may lead to the invalidation of the ballot.
17) Ties are not permitted in ballot listings. I reserve the right to invalidate ballots for use of ties in the rankings, be it within a single ballot or over the course of several ballots. If the voter does not correct such a listing voluntarily, except in the case of an oversize ballot tie for the last eligible place, if do not invalidate the ballot, I will choose the placement of the two "tied" candidates, generally preferring the candidate preferred by the other voters.
18) For any ties between candidates straddling the in/out line of selections, the first thing considered is the ranking of the candidates by the ballots cast. If there are more than two candidates tied, use a 2-1-0 or whatever is appropriate for the number of players tied system. If a voter does not list a candidate, he receives zero points in the tiebreaker procedure. Once one person separates from the tied group, restart with the remaining candidates until there are only as many candidates as the rules call for being elected. If they remain tied after this process, the candidate with the most votes received wins. If it is still tied after that, those with the most #1 votes as the next step, then the most #2 votes and so on to see if that breaks the tie. If not, we will induct all candidates who remain tied at that point.
19) One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame (both occurred in or around 1994). If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happened.
20) I will maintain a thread of the project's history and rules which will provide a listing of all elected candidates.
21) Feel free to ask questions by either sending jalbright a PM, or by posting a question in voting thread
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Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
Researcher/advocate/mod
The players who become eligible in 1967 are:
There are no new contributors joining the list in 1967.Code:Bauer , Hank Bessho , Akira Blackwell , Ewell Dark , Alvin Furillo , Carl Hatton , Grady Kell , George Kiner , Ralph Martin , Morrie Rice , Del Westrum , Wes Wilson , Jim
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The 1966 player candidates who were not elected had these results in the that election:
The 1966 contributor candidates who were not elected had these results in the that election:Code:players………….. votes points Gordon, Joe 10 58 Gore , George 8 52 Carey , Max 7 40 Terry , Bill 6 39 Hill , Pete… 7 38 Wynn, Early 9 38 Sutton , Ezra 6 33 Doerr, Bobby 8 31 Bennett , C 5 30 Thompson , S 3 30 Grant , Frank 6 29 Klein, Chuck 3 27 Start , Joe 3 25 Galvin , Pud 5 24 Ferrell, Wes 4 23 Glasscock , J 4 18 Joss , Addie 3 18 McGinnity , J 4 17 Starffin, V 3 15 Caruthers , B 3 13 Dean, Dizzy 3 13 Averill, Earl 2 11 Duffy , Hugh 2 11 Berger , Wally 1 9 Roush , Edd 1 8 Faber , Red 1 7 Jennings , H 1 7 Sewell , Joe 1 7 Brown, Willard 1 6 Browning , Pete 1 5 Dandridge, Ray 1 5 Keller , Charlie 1 5 McCormick , J 1 4 Wallace , Bobby 1 4 Lemon, Bob 2 3 Maranville , R 1 3 Rizzuto , Phil 1 3 Grimes , B 1 2 Mendez , Jose 1 2 Oms, Alejandro 1 1 Richardson , H 1 1 Smith, Hilton 1 1 Welch , Mickey 1 1
I strongly suggest that you pay attention to this list, as the leaders of the holdovers are likely to join any strong newcomer candidates as the leaders for winning induction.Code:contributor………… votes points Taylor , C. I. 9 31 Chance , Frank 10 30 Shoriki, M 4 16 Pearce, Dickey 6 15 Frick, Ford 3 11 Bolden, Ed 4 10 Ruppert , Jacob 3 7 Caylor , O. P. 1 5 Evans, Billy 2 5 Conlon , C 3 4 Hubbard, Cal 1 4 Southworth, B 1 4 Mutrie, Jim 1 3
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Members of the Best of Baseball Hall. Last election's inductees are in red.
Players
ContributorsCode:Pete Alexander Cap Anson Luke Appling Frank Baker Ross Barnes John Beckwith Cool Papa Bell Lou Boudreau Dan Brouthers Mordecai Brown Ray Brown Jesse Burkett Roy Campanella Oscar Charleston Fred Clarke John Clarkson Ty Cobb Mickey Cochrane Eddie Collins Jimmy Collins Roger Connor Stan Coveleski Sam Crawford Joe Cronin Bill Dahlen George Davis Ed Delahanty Bill Dickey Martin Dihigo Joe DiMaggio Buck Ewing Bob Feller Elmer Flick Willie Foster Jimmie Foxx Frankie Frisch Lou Gehrig Charlie Gehringer Josh Gibson Goose Goslin Hank Greenberg Heinie Groh Lefty Grove Stan Hack Billy Hamilton Gabby Hartnett Harry Heilmann Billy Herman Paul Hines Rogers Hornsby Carl Hubbell Monte Irvin Joe Jackson Grant "Home Run"Johnson Walter Johnson Tim Keefe Willie Keeler King Kelly Nap LaJoie Buck Leonard Pop Lloyd Ted Lyons Biz Mackey Sherry Magee Christy Mathewson Bid McPhee Joe Medwick Johnny Mize Stan Musial Hal Newhouser Kid Nichols Jim O'Rourke Mel Ott Satchel Paige Eddie Plank Charlie Radbourn Pee Wee Reese Jackie Robinson Bullet Joe Rogan Red Ruffing Amos Rusie Babe Ruth Louis Santop Al Simmons George Sisler Enos Slaughter Warren Spahn Tris Speaker Turkey Stearnes Harry Stovey Mule Suttles Cristobal Torriente Pie Traynor Dazzy Vance Arky Vaughan Rube Waddell Honus Wagner Ed Walsh Paul Waner John M. Ward Willie Wells Zack Wheat Deacon White Smoky Joe Williams Ted Williams Jud Wilson George Wright Cy Young
Code:Doc Adams Ed Barrow Alexander Cartwright Henry Chadwick Charlie Commiskey Tom Connolly Jim Creighton Rube Foster Clark Griffith Ned Hanlon William Hulbert Miller Huggins Ban Johnson Bill Klem Kenesaw Landis Connie Mack Larry MacPhail Joe McCarthy John McGraw Cum Posey A. J. Reach Francis Richter Branch Rickey Frank Selee Al Spalding Alfred Spink J. G. T. Spink Casey Stengel George Weiss J. L. Wilkinson Harry Wright
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The complete list of eligible players:
The complete list of eligible contributors:Code:Adams , Babe Adams , Bobby Adams , Sparky Allen , Johnny Altrock , Nick Archer , Jimmy Arlett , Buzz Austin , Jimmy Averill , Earl Bancroft , Dave Barry , Jack Bartell , Dick Battin , Joe Bauer , Hank Beaumont , Ginger Beckley , Jake Bender , Chief Bennett , Charlie Benton , Larry Berg , Moe Bergen , Marty Berger , Wally Berry , Charlie Bessho , Akira Bigbee , Carson Bishop , Max Blackwell , Ewell Blades , Ray Blue , Lu Bluege , Ossie Bodie , Ping Boley , Joe Bond , Tommy Bottomley , Jim Bradley , Bill Brecheen , Harry Breitenstein , Ted Bresnahan , Roger Bridges , Tommy Brown , Willard Browning , Pete Burns , George J. Bush , Joe Bush , Donie Bush , Guy Cadore , Leon Camilli , Dolph Camnitz , Howie Carey , Max Carrigan , Bill Caruthers , Bob Case , George Cavaretta , Phil Cepeda , Perucho Chance , Frank Chandler , Spud Chapman , Ben Chapman , Ray Chapman , Sam Chase , Hal Chesbro , Jack Childs , Cupid Cicotte , Eddie Cissell , Bill Clark , Watty Clarkson , Bus Coakley , Andy Collins , Shano Combs , Earle Conroy , Wid Coombs , Jack Cooper , Andy Cooper , Mort Cooper , Walker Cooper , Wilbur Cox , Billy Crandall , Doc Cravath , Gavvy Creighton , Jim Criger , Lou Critz , Hughie Cross , Lave Crowder , Al Cruise , Walt Cuccinello , Tony Cummings , Candy Cuyler , Kiki Dandridge , Ray Danning , Harry Dark , Alvin Daubert , Jake Davis , Curt Davis , Harry Davis , Spud Day , Leon Dean, Dizzy Derringer , Paul DiMaggio , Dom Dinneen , Bill Doak , Bill Doerr , Bobby Donlin , Mike Donovan , Bill Dooin , Red Doyle , Jack Doyle , Larry Duffy , Hugh Dugan , Joe Dunlap , Fred Dykes , Jimmy Earnshaw , George Easter, Luke Edwards , Hank Ehmke , Howard Elberfeld , Kid Elliott , Bob Elliott , Jumbo Ens , Jewel Evers , Johnny Faber , Red Falkenberg , Cy Ferrell , Rick Ferrell , Wes Fitzsimmons , Freddie Fletcher , Art Fonseca , Lew Foster , Eddie Fraser , Chick Furillo , Carl Galan , Augie Galvin , Pud Gelbert , Charlie Glasscock , Jack Gleason , Kid Gomez , Lefty Gonzalez , Mike Gordon , Joe Gore , George Gowdy , Hank Grant , Eddie Grant , Frank Grantham , George Grimes , Burleigh Grimm , Charlie Grissom , Marv Gromek , Steve Grove , Orval Gustine , Frank Haas , Mule Hafey , Chick Hahn , Noodles Haines , Jesse Hallahan , Bill Harder , Mel Hargrave , Bubbles Harris , Bucky Harris , Vic Hatton , Grady Hearn , Jim Hegan , Jim Henrich , Tommy Herman , Babe Herzog , Buck Higgins , Mike Hill , Pete Hinchman , Bill Holmes , Tommy Hooper , Harry Hoy , Dummy Hoy, Dummy Hoyt , Waite Huggins , Miller Hutchinson , Fred Irwin , Charlie Jackman , Will Jennings , Hughie Johnson , Bob Johnson , Judy Jones , Charley Jones , Fielder Jones , Sam P. Jordan , Tim Joss , Addie Judge , Joe Jurges , Billy Kamm , Willie Kawakami , Tetsuharu Kell , George Keller , Charlie Kelley , Joe Keltner , Ken Kerr , Dickie Killefer , Bill Kilroy , Matt Kinder , Ellis Kiner , Ralph Klein , Chuck Kling , Johnny Knabe , Otto Kremer , Ray Kress , Red Kuhel , Joe Lange , Bill Larkin , Henry Latham , Arlie Lavagetto , Cookie Lazzeri , Tony Leach , Freddy Leach , Tommy Lee , Bill Leever , Sam Lemon , Bob Leonard , Emil (Dutch) Lewis , Duffy Lindstrom , Freddie Lobert , Hans Lombardi , Ernie Long , Herman Lopat , Ed Lopez , Al Lowe , Bobby Lucas , Red Lundy , Dick Luque , Dolf Lyons , Denny Maglie , Sal Mancuso , Gus Manush , Heinie Maranville , Rabbit Marberry , Firpo Marion , Marty Marquard , Rube Martin , Morrie Martin , Pepper Mathews , Bobby Mays , Carl McAleer , Jimmy McCarthy , Tommy McCormick , Frank McCormick , Jim McGinnity , Joe McGowan , Bill McInnis , Stuffy McLean , Larry McManus , Marty McVey , Cal Meadows , Lee Mendez , Jose Meusel , Bob Milan , Clyde Miller , Bing Miller , Dots Miller , Hack Monroe , Bill Moore , Dobie Moore , Jo-Jo Moore , Terry Moran , Pat Mostil , Johnny Mulcahy , Hugh Mullane , Tony Mungo , Van Murphy , Danny Murray , Red Myer , Buddy Nehf , Art Newsom , Bobo Nicholson , Bill Northey , Ron O'Doul , Lefty Oeschger , Joe O'Farrell , Bob O'Leary , Charlie Oms , Alejandro O'Neill , Buck O'Neill , Steve O'Neill , Tip Orr , Dave Pabor , Charlie Pafko , Andy Paskert , Dode Pearce , Dickey Pearson , Monte Peckinpaugh , Roger Peitz , Heinie Pennock , Herb Perdue , Hub Perkins , Cy Pesky , Johnny Phillippe , Deacon Pike , Lip Pipp , Wally Poles , Spotswood Pruett , Hub Quinn , Jack Raschi , Vic Raymond , Bugs Redding , Dick Reiser , Pete Remsen , Jack Reynolds , Allie Rice , Del Rice , Sam Richardson , Hardy Ring , Jimmy Ritchey , Claude Rixey , Eppa Rizzuto , Phil Robertson , Dave Roe , Preacher Rolfe , Red Rommel , Eddie Root , Charlie Roush , Edd Rucker , Nap Rudolph , Dick Ruel , Muddy Ryan , Jimmy Sain , Johnny Sauer , Hank Schacht , Al Schaefer , Germany Schalk , Ray Schang , Wally Schreckengost , Ossie Schulte , Frank Scott , Everett Scott , Jack Selkirk , George Severeid , Hank Sewell , Joe Sewell , Luke Sewell , Rip Seymour , Cy Sheckard , Jimmy Sherdel , Bill Shocker , Urban Sisti , Sibby Smith , Earl Smith , Hilton Smith , Sherry Sparks , Tully Stahl , Jake Stanky , Eddie Starffin , Victor Start , Joe Steinfeldt , Harry Stephens , Vern Stephenson , Riggs Street , Gabby Suhr , Gus Sukeforth , Clyde Sutton , Ezra Sweeney , Bill Tannehill , Jesse Taylor , Ben Tebbetts , Birdie Tenney , Fred Terry , Bill Thevenow , Tommy Thomas , Ira Thompson , Sam Tiernan , Mike Tinker , Joe Tobin , Jim Toney , Fred Trouppe , Quincy Trout , Dizzy Trucks , Virgil Turner , Terry Uhle , George Valo , Elmer Van Haltren , George Vander Meer , Johnny Veach , Bobby Vernon , Mickey Walberg , Rube Walker , Harry Wallace , Bobby Walters , Bucky Wambsganss , Bill Waner , Lloyd Warfield , Frank Warneke , Lon Welch , Mickey Werber , Billy West , Sam Westrum , Wes White , Sol White , Will Whitehill , Earl Williams , Cy Williams , Ken Williamson , Ned Willis , Vic Wilson , Hack Wilson , Jim Wilson , Jimmie Witt , Whitey Wood , Joe Wright , Glenn Wyatt , Whit Wynn , Early Yerkes , Steve York , Rudy Young , Pep Youngs , Ross Zachary , Tom Zimmer , Chief
Code:Abe , Iso Bancroft , Frank Bolden, Ed Bulkely , Morgan Busch , Augie Cambria , Joe Carrigan, Bill Caylor , O. P. Chance , Frank Chandler, Happy Conlan , Jocko Conlon , Charles Cooper , Andy Cummings , Candy Dinneen , Bill Doubleday , Abner Dreyfuss , Barney Dunn , Jack Dyer , Eddie Dykes , Jimmy Elias , Al Munro Evans, Billy Foster , John B. Frick, Ford Fullerton , Hugh Giles , Warren Gleason , Kid Gonzalez , Mike Greenlee, Gus Grimm, Charlie Haney , Fred Harridge, Willie Harris , Bucky Hillerich , John Hubbard , Cal Hutchinson , Fred Jennings , Hughie Krichell, Paul Lardner , Ring Leavitt, Jr. , Charles W. Luque , Dolf Manley , Effa McCarthy , Tommy McKechnie, Bill Mendez , Jose Mills , A. G. Moran , Pat Mutrie , Jim Navin , Frank Norworth, Jack O'Doul, Lefty O'Neill, Steve Osborn , Frank Pasquel, Jorge Pompez , Alex Reese , Jimmie Rice, Grantland Robinson , Wilbert Ruppert , Jacob Sewell , Luke Shibe , Ben Shoriki, Matsutaro Southworth, Billy Stallings , George Street, Gabby Taylor , C. I. Thayer , Ernest Tyson, Ty Warfield , Frank White , Sol Wilson , Horace
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My ballot
Players
1. Early Wynn
2. Joe McGinnity
3. Victor Starffin
4. Bobby Doerr
5. Pud Galvin
6. Joe Gordon
7. Pete Hill
8. Burleigh Grimes
9. George Gore
10. Akira Bessho
11. Frank Grant
12. Charlie Bennett
Contributors
1. C. I. Taylor
2. Frank Chance
3. Dickey Pearce
4. Ed Bolden
5. Matsutaro Shoriki
New to my ballot are players Akira Bessho, Frank Grant and Charlie Bennett, in that order in spots 10 through 12 of my ballot. New to my contributor ballot is Matsutaro Shoriki
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Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
Registered User
Matsutaro Shoriki and Jacob Ruppert are not in the Baseball-Fever Hall of Fame. , don't miss the November election if you support them.
1 Matsutaro Shoriki
2 Jake Ruppert
3 Charles Conlon
4 C.I. Taylor
5 Bill McKechnie
Allow me to nominate Bill McKechnie, manager of the Pirates, Cardinals, and Reds when they were champions, the Boston Braves and Newark Peppers when they weren't too bad.
Last edited by Paul Wendt; 02-27-2010 at 09:13 AM.
Registered User
Players
1. Sam Thompson
2. Chuck Klein
3. Ralph Kiner
4. Bill Terry
5. Hugh Duffy
6. Pud Galvin
7. Pete Browning
8. Jim McCormick
9. Bob Caruthers
10. Mickey Welch
11. Early Wynn
12. Joe McGinnity
Contributors
1. Ford Frick
2. Cal Hubbard
3. C.I. Taylor
4. Charles Conlon
5. Ed Bolden
Registered User
1. Pete Hill
2. Wes Ferrell
3. Hughie Jennings
4. George Gore
5. Charlie Keller
6. Bobby Wallace
7. Charlie Bennett
8. Jose Mendez
9. Alejandro Oms
10. Bobby Doerr
11. Jack Glasscock
12. Dizzy Dean
Supreme Dictator For Life
1. Max Carey
2. Earl Averill
3. Bill Terry
4. Joe Gordon
5. Bobby Doerr
6. George Gore
7. Pete Hill
8. Frank Grant
9. Early Wynn
10. Charlie Bennett
11. Pud Galvin
12. Sam Thompson
1. C. I. Taylor
2. Frank Chance
3. Dickey Pearce
4. Ford Frick
5. Matsutaro Shoriki
carpe baseball
Players
1. Joe Gordon
2. George Gore
3. Joe Start
4. Ezra Sutton
5. Early Wynn
6. Frank Grant
7. Max Carey
8. Jack Glasscock
9. Wes Ferrell
10. Pete Hill
11. Bill Terry
12. Charlie Bennett
Contributors
1. Matsutaro Shoriki
2. Jacob Ruppert
3. C.I. Taylor
4. Frank Chance
5. Dickey Pearce
"When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff." -- Cicero
2004 & 2007
Players:
1. Ezra Sutton
2. Early Wynn
3. George Gore
4. Victor Starffin
5. Joe Gordon
6. Frank Grant
7. Addie Joss
8. Max Carey
9. Hilton Smith
10. Pete Hill
11. Bobby Doerr
12. Dizzy Dean
Contributors:
1. C. I. Taylor
2. Frank Chance
3. Dickey Pearce
4. Ed Bolden
5. Matsutaro Shoriki
History Mod
1) Bennett
2) Gore
3) Carey
4) Galvin
5) Sutton
6) Gordon
7) Maranville
8) Lemon
9) Wynn
10) Hill
11) Caruthers
12) Dean
--Backlog leaders; Frank Grant, Jack Glasscock, Joe Sewell and Wes Ferrell. These are not in any particular order, but one of them will join my ballot next time we lack enough newcomers to fill it. Interested in any info their supporters may have to get one of them to the top of the class.
Contributors
1) Pearce
2) Chance
3) Bolden
4) Evans
5) McKechnie
1. Bob Caruthers
2. Bill Terry
3. Charlie Bennett
4. Jack Glasscock
5. Joe Gordon
6. Max Carey
7. Early Wynn
8. Ezra Sutton
9. Bobby Doerr
10. Frank Grant
11. Ralph Kiner
12. Earl Averill
1. O.P. Caylor
2. Chance
3. Shoriki
4. Rupert
5. McKechnie
OSHA-certified Moderator
1. Max Carey
2. Sam Thompson
3. Edd Roush
4. Frank Grant
5. Pete Hill
6. Bobby Doerr
7. Dizzy Dean
8. Bill Terry
9. Earl Averill
10. Joe Gordon
11. George Gore
12. Joe Start
Contributors
1. Frank Chance
2. Billy Evans
3. C.I. Taylor
4. Dickey Pearce
5. Matsutaro Shoriki
Tom Tresh George Kell Mark Fidrych Bob Feller
Ernie Harwell Soupy Sales Alex Chilton Sparky Anderson
Joe Nuxhall Gary Carter MCA Emanuel Steward
Sonny Elliot Dave Brubeck Earl Weaver Stan Musial
Jonathan Winters Neil Armstrong Roger Ebert Anthony Zahler
Ray Manzarek
Registered User
1 Joe Start
2 George Gore
3 Red Faber
4 Wes Ferrell
5 Joe Gordon
6 Ezra Sutton
7 Frank Grant
8 Jack Glasscock
9 Bobby Doerr
10 Pete Hill
11 Max Carey
12 Early Wynn
Eradicate, wipe out and abolish redundancy.
Free El Duque! -- discover how the HOF rules are cheating this renowned member of Torre's Yankees dynasty and ask the HOF to include him on the ballot for the next BBWAA election.
Researcher/advocate/mod
We have a quorum on the player side, and are only one shy of that mark on the contributor side.
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Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
Registered User
1 - Sam Thompson
2 - Chuck Klein
3 - Joe Gordon
4 - Early Wynn
5 - Pud Galvin
6 - Bobby Doerr
7 - Bill Terry
8 - Ralph Kiner
9 - Dizzy Dean
10 - Max Carey
11 - Bob Lemon
12 - Earl Averill
Contributors
1 - Ford Frick
2 - C.I. Taylor
3 - Frank Chance
4 - Charles Conlon
5 - Dickey Pearce
Last edited by ConnieMack; 03-02-2010 at 09:12 AM.
Researcher/advocate/mod
We now have a quorum on both ballots.
Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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I've done a small bit of reshuffling:
Players
1. Frank Grant
2. Pete Hill
3. Willard Brown
4. Joe Sewell
5. Joe McGinnity
6. Addie Joss
7. Earl Averill
8. Early Wynn
9. Bobby Doerr
10. Bob Caruthers
11. Joe Gordon
12. Lefty Gomez
Contributors
1. Ed Bolden
2. Billy Southworth
3. Jim Mutrie
4. Frank Chance
5. Matsutaro Shoriki
Backlog (position) - Roger Bresnahan, Bill Terry, Ralph Kiner, Alejandro Oms, Edd Roush
Backlog (pitcher) - Hilton Smith, Bob Lemon, Red Faber, Eppa Rixey, Pud Galvin
Backlog (contributor) - Bill McKechnie, C.I. Taylor, Charles Conlon
September 16, 2012: The Losing Streak Ends
Researcher/advocate/mod
There is only one person who voted in both elections last time who has yet to vote this time: Domenic. Paul Wendt and jaxxr either have voted in the contributor election already or didn't vote in that election last time. Neither of them have yet submitted their player ballots. As usual, I'll send the reminder PM if those ballots have not been posted by Monday.
Next election will have two new contributor names, Walter O'Malley and Tom Yawkey. I expect O'Malley to enter at the bottom of my ballot next year. As for Yawkey, I am at best unconvinced he deserves my vote, but if there is someone who wishes to make his case, I'll listen. On the player side, we will greet the following to the eligible list:
Two HOFers, though Schoendienst IMHO has a stronger case as a contributor, as then his managing comes into play. Doby's someone I will vote for at some point if he's still on the ballot, but I'm currently leaning against voting for him in 1968.Code:Doby , Larry Dropo , Walt Hemus , Solly Kuzava , Bob Porterfield , Bob Schoendienst , Red Thomson , Bobby
Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
formerly Mr. Red
1) Joe Gordon
2) Early Wynn
3) Earl Averill
4) Burleigh Grimes
5) Chuck Klein
6) Sam Thompson
7) Ralph Kiner
8) Bobby Doerr
9) Bob Caruthers
10) Charlie Keller
11) Edd Roush
12) Lefty Gomez
1) C I Taylor
2) Dickey Pearce
3) Paul Krichell
4) Jim Creighton
5) Frank Chance
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Welcome to the project, Mr. Red. We have already elected Creighton as a contributor, so you'll have to make a change to that ballot if you want to get credit for five names instead of four. I'll send you a PM on this as well to try and ensure to correct this minor error.
Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
formerly Mr. Red
1) CI Taylor
2) Dickey Pearce
3) Paul Krichell
4) Frank Chance
5) Matsutaro Shoriki
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