Trying to figure this out, then maybe I'll write a book.....

[JR.WoodChuck]

Below I have quoted a few of you from different post that have something pertaining to pitchers arm action and throwing motion. I know this has been discussed hundreds of times on this site and I don't want to beat the dead horse I'm just a bit confused and trying to understand the info I am finding. I know there are threads here that break down arm action step-by-step but I am not having luck with the search, so if someone can point me to some good throwing info I am all ears!
I tried taking my son to the local pitching coach ex pro but all we got from him was "throw harder..come on..throw harder"!!!! I think we are missing something basic and maybe just need to start from scratch.. just trying to figure this all out.

In the examples below I read one post that says "consider extending arm fully" then I read another "Why does he take his hand straight back" What is the difference? So he should take arm straight down then as he comes up the arm bends showing ball to ss or third???? or should I just ask Where does the freakn ball go when it leaves the glove??????

songtitle
I would consider extending his arm fully when he initially takes his arm back/down. This may make the arm motion more consistent. If you take your arm straight down, then up, you are always going the exact same distance, with the exact same timing. Otherwise, he may use a 60 degree bend once, then 70 degree, etc.

Dukek
He can work on his arm action a bit - it should be symmetrical - down-out-up-fwd. And, as song pointed out, his rear arm should extend more or "dangle" as it was explained to me at a pitching clinic.

Songtitle
Pointing to 3b is best IMO.
But, I think we are talking about out of the mitt - not above the shoulder. His arm should go straight down out of the mitt. His consistency will improve, if not his velocity.

UrsaMajor
Lotsa good advice here that doesn't need repeating. I too picked up on the "shortarming" -- not taking the ball far enough back. I really like the way the hips stay closed as he strides forward -- "riding the back hip", I like to call it.

Songtitle
Why does he take his hand straight back to 2nd base?
Don't most pitchers extend their arm down to their leg, then up? It's either a nice smooth motion (down and up), or they hold it down as long as possible.

JakePatterson
I would not teach breaking the arms from underneath and showing the ball to 2b, I feel this can be problematic later. I would have him set higher taking the ball back elbow high, ball pointed to SS....If he starts underneath, like he shows in the clip, he will most likely develop elbow problems.

Songtitle
The arm motion on both kids seems to be the same. They need to keep their hand/arm back longer. I would have them fully extend their arm, so the arm motion is repeatable. They can do this in one of 2 ways: 1. take your hand to your butt and hold it as long as you can, or 2. flip your wrist down to the ground and let it come back up in an "L".

Chris O'Leary
If you're talking about the arm actions, they were probably taught to break their hands with their elbows, which is a dangerous cue.

Shake-n-bake
typifiies what I see a lot among younger pitchers. Their throwing arm looks like a big "C" at release. Looks like the upper arm is angled toward the sky and the bend is needed to get the right trajectory to the plate. Pitcher #2 is better, but seems to give back the advantage gained by opening his hips to the plate early.

[Chris O'Leary]

Below I have quoted a few of you from different post that have something pertaining to pitchers arm action and throwing motion. I know this has been discussed hundreds of times on this site and I don't want to beat the dead horse I'm just a bit confused and trying to understand the info I am finding.

This is what I teach...



The problem is that a lot of the advice you've gotten won't yield this.

[Jake Patterson]

I know this has been discussed hundreds of times on this site and I don't want to beat the dead horse I'm just a bit confused and trying to understand the info I am finding.

Most often the difficulty is the English language and our ability to use it ...

[songtitle]

just read the items under 'songtitle'

I'm unclear how you're unclear about "extend your arm". See Oleary's frame 16. Chris keeps muddying the waters with his "point to 3rd base" mantra - which has nothing to do with this particular topic (but is correct).

[JR.WoodChuck]

OK i'm getting it. I re-read just the songtitle posts...where i was unclear is when to extend the arm. He is extending his arm back when it comes out of the mitt(which is why you asked why does he takes his arm staight back). What he should be doing is extending the arm down out of the mitt then arm goes back and up to the cocked position.

[Chris O'Leary]

OK i'm getting it. I re-read just the songtitle posts...where i was unclear is when to extend the arm. He is extending his arm back when it comes out of the mitt(which is why you asked why does he takes his arm staight back). What he should be doing is extending the arm down out of the mitt then arm goes back and up to the cocked position.

I was also confused.

When people talk of extending the arm, it's generally back toward 2B as you would when long-arming the ball.

[jima]

This is what I teach...



The problem is that a lot of the advice you've gotten won't yield this.

Chris, what are the fundamentals that you like in this motion? What should be taught first (youngster) and what later? jima

[fivetoolprospects]

Pet peeve of mine that I like in the above video - pitching coaches teaching kids to tuck and pull their glove away from home plate, which creates energy in the opposite direction you are trying to throw the ball. Notice instead that once the pitcher gets to the power position around frame 24, he throws throw his front side (glove). The glove actually stays still in the next few frames while his body drives through it, like an aiming mechanism. While I usually stick to hitters, I was a catcher, so I heard the pitching coach talk more than the pitcher's did because I didn't just have two bullpen sessions a week in the off-season, I had dozens. I just thought I'd offer my two cents if it hasn't already been mentioned above.

One thing I tell kids is to watch NFL quarterbacks with their front side, clearly a lot of things are different when throwing a football, but you never see a quarterback tuck his non-throwing arm under his rib cage and pull back, away from his target.

[Chris O'Leary]

Chris, what are the fundamentals that you like in this motion? What should be taught first (youngster) and what later? jima

This is a very simple, basic, easy to repeat motion that's also safe.

He scap loads, but with his elbows below the level of his shoulders. He's in a good position at the high-cocked position. His timing is good. He does a good job of stabilizing his glove over his front knee and finishing in a safe position.

[DukeK]

Below I have quoted a few of you from different post that have something pertaining to pitchers arm action and throwing motion. I know this has been discussed hundreds of times on this site and I don't want to beat the dead horse I'm just a bit confused and trying to understand the info I am finding. I know there are threads here that break down arm action step-by-step but I am not having luck with the search, so if someone can point me to some good throwing info I am all ears!
I tried taking my son to the local pitching coach ex pro but all we got from him was "throw harder..come on..throw harder"!!!! I think we are missing something basic and maybe just need to start from scratch.. just trying to figure this all out.

In the examples below I read one post that says "consider extending arm fully" then I read another "Why does he take his hand straight back" What is the difference? So he should take arm straight down then as he comes up the arm bends showing ball to ss or third???? or should I just ask Where does the freakn ball go when it leaves the glove??????

songtitle
I would consider extending his arm fully when he initially takes his arm back/down. This may make the arm motion more consistent. If you take your arm straight down, then up, you are always going the exact same distance, with the exact same timing. Otherwise, he may use a 60 degree bend once, then 70 degree, etc.

Dukek
He can work on his arm action a bit - it should be symmetrical - down-out-up-fwd. And, as song pointed out, his rear arm should extend more or "dangle" as it was explained to me at a pitching clinic.

Songtitle
Pointing to 3b is best IMO.
But, I think we are talking about out of the mitt - not above the shoulder. His arm should go straight down out of the mitt. His consistency will improve, if not his velocity.

UrsaMajor
Lotsa good advice here that doesn't need repeating. I too picked up on the "shortarming" -- not taking the ball far enough back. I really like the way the hips stay closed as he strides forward -- "riding the back hip", I like to call it.

Songtitle
Why does he take his hand straight back to 2nd base?
Don't most pitchers extend their arm down to their leg, then up? It's either a nice smooth motion (down and up), or they hold it down as long as possible.

JakePatterson
I would not teach breaking the arms from underneath and showing the ball to 2b, I feel this can be problematic later. I would have him set higher taking the ball back elbow high, ball pointed to SS....If he starts underneath, like he shows in the clip, he will most likely develop elbow problems.

Songtitle
The arm motion on both kids seems to be the same. They need to keep their hand/arm back longer. I would have them fully extend their arm, so the arm motion is repeatable. They can do this in one of 2 ways: 1. take your hand to your butt and hold it as long as you can, or 2. flip your wrist down to the ground and let it come back up in an "L".

Chris O'Leary
If you're talking about the arm actions, they were probably taught to break their hands with their elbows, which is a dangerous cue.

Shake-n-bake
typifiies what I see a lot among younger pitchers. Their throwing arm looks like a big "C" at release. Looks like the upper arm is angled toward the sky and the bend is needed to get the right trajectory to the plate. Pitcher #2 is better, but seems to give back the advantage gained by opening his hips to the plate early.

Reading through these, to me most of them mean and explain the same thing and reinforce each other.

It can be confusing, but if you stare at just about any major league pitcher in slow mo long enough, the basics are the same and you'll see all the above quotes demonstrated.