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  1. #421

    Revised Person Hall of Fame Ballot

    Hello all,

    Just wanted to update my person rankings.

    Hank Aaron*^
    Pete Alexander*
    Dick Allen
    Roberto Alomar*
    Cap Anson*
    Kevin Appier
    Luke Appling*
    Richie Ashburn*
    Jeff Bagwell
    Home Run Baker*
    Dave Bancroft*
    Ernie Banks*^
    Ross Barnes
    John Beckwith^
    Buddy Bell
    Johnny Bench*
    Charlie Bennett
    Yogi Berra*
    Akira Bessho
    Craig Biggio
    Bert Blyleven*
    Wade Boggs*
    Tommy Bond
    Barry Bonds
    Lou Boudreau*
    Roger Bresnahan*
    Kevin Brown
    George Brett*
    Dan Brouthers*
    Mordecai Brown*
    Raymond Brown*^
    Jim Bunning*
    Jesse Burkett*
    Roy Campanella*^
    Bert Campaneris
    Max Carey*
    Rod Carew*
    Steve Carlton*
    Gary Carter*
    Perucho Cepeda^
    Oscar Charleston*^
    Cupid Childs
    Eddie Cicotte
    Will Clark
    Fred Clarke*
    John Clarkson*
    Roger Clemens
    Roberto Clemente*
    Ty Cobb*
    Mickey Cochrane*
    Eddie Collins*
    Jimmy Collins*
    David Cone
    Roger Connor*
    Stan Coveleski*
    Gavvy Cravath
    Sam Crawford*
    Joe Cronin*
    Bill Dahlen
    George Davis*
    Andre Dawson*
    Ed Delahanty*
    Bill Dickey*
    Martin Dihigo*^
    Joe DiMaggio*
    Larry Doby*^
    Bobby Doerr*
    Don Drysdale*
    Dennis Eckersley*
    Dwight Evans
    Darrell Evans
    Buck Ewing*
    Red Faber*
    Bob Feller*
    Wes Ferrell
    Carlton Fisk*
    Art Fletcher
    Elmer Flick*
    Whitey Ford*
    Bill Foster*^
    Rube Foster°^
    Jimmie Foxx*
    Frankie Frisch*
    Pud Galvin*
    Lou Gehrig*
    Charlie Gehringer*
    Bob Gibson*
    Josh Gibson*^
    Jack Glasscock
    Dwight Gooden
    Joe Gordon*
    George Gore
    Goose Goslin*
    Rich Gossage*
    Frank Grant*^
    Hank Greenberg*
    Bobby Grich
    Clark Griffith°
    Heinie Groh
    Lefty Grove*
    Tony Gwynn*
    Billy Hamilton*
    Isao Harimoto
    Gabby Hartnett*
    Harry Heilmann*
    Rickey Henderson*
    Billy Herman*
    Keith Hernandez
    Pete Hill*^
    Paul Hines
    Rogers Hornsby*
    Carl Hubbell*
    Kazuhisa Inao
    Monte Irvin*^
    Reggie Jackson*
    Shoeless Joe Jackso
    Fergie Jenkins*
    Hughie Jennings*
    Grant Johnson^
    Walter Johnson*
    Charley Jones
    Al Kaline*
    Masaichi Kaneda
    Tetsuharu Kawakami
    Tim Keefe*
    Willie Keeler*
    Charlie Keller
    Joe Kelley*
    King Kelly*
    Harmon Killebrew*
    Sandy Koufax*
    Masaaki Koyama
    Nap Lajoie*
    Barry Larkin*
    Tommy Leach
    Buck Leonard*^
    Omar Linares
    Pop Lloyd*^
    Kenny Lofton
    Dick Lundy^
    Ted Lyons*
    Biz Mackey*^
    Sherry Magee
    Mickey Mantle*
    Juan Marichal*
    Edgar Martinez
    Eddie Mathews*
    Christy Mathewson*
    Willie Mays*^
    Willie McCovey*
    Joe McGinnity*
    John McGraw°
    Mark McGwire
    Bid McPhee*
    Cal McVey
    Jose Mendez*^
    Minnie Minoso^
    Johnny Mize*
    Paul Molitor*
    Joe Morgan*
    Thurman Munson
    Eddie Murray*
    Stan Musial*
    Shigeo Nagashima
    Graig Nettles
    Don Newcombe^
    Hal Newhouser*
    Kid Nichols*
    Katsuya Nomura
    Phil Niekro*
    Hiromitsu Ochiai
    Sadaharu Oh
    Alejandro Oms^
    Jim O'Rourke*
    Mel Ott*
    Satchel Paige*^
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Jim Palmer*
    Dickey Pearce
    Gaylord Perry*
    Johnny Pesky
    Mike Piazza
    Billy Pierce
    Lip Pike
    Eddie Plank*
    Old Hoss Radbourn*
    Tim Raines
    Willie Randolph
    Pee Wee Reese*
    Rick Reuschel
    Hardy Richardson
    Cal Ripken*
    Phil Rizzuto*
    Robin Roberts*
    Brooks Robinson*
    Frank Robinson*
    Jackie Robinson*^
    Bullet Rogan*^
    Pete Rose
    Red Ruffing*
    Amos Rusie*
    Babe Ruth*
    Nolan Ryan*
    Bret Saberhagen
    Ryne Sandberg*
    Ron Santo*
    Louis Santop*^
    Curt Schilling
    Mike Schmidt*
    Tom Seaver*
    Joe Sewell*
    Jimmy Sheckard
    Urban Shocker
    Al Simmons*
    Ted Simmons
    George Sisler*
    Enos Slaughter*
    Hilton Smith*^
    Ozzie Smith*
    Reggie Smith
    Duke Snider*
    Sammy Sosa
    Warren Spahn*
    Al Spalding°
    Tris Speaker*
    Victor Starffin
    Willie Stargell*
    Joe Start
    Turkey Stearnes*^
    Dave Stieb
    Mule Suttles*^
    Don Sutton*
    Ezra Sutton
    Bill Terry*
    Cristobal Torriente
    Alan Trammell
    Quincy Trouppe^
    Dazzy Vance*
    Arky Vaughan*
    Bobby Veach
    Rube Waddell*
    Honus Wagner*
    Larry Walker
    Bobby Wallace*
    Ed Walsh*
    Paul Waner*
    Monte Ward*
    Willie Wells*^
    Zack Wheat*
    Lou Whitaker
    Deacon White
    Hoyt Wilhelm*
    Billy Williams*
    Joe Williams*^
    Ted Williams*
    Ned Williamson
    Vic Willis*
    Jud Wilson*^
    Dave Winfield*
    George Wright°
    Early Wynn*
    Jim Wynn
    Carl Yastrzemski*
    Cy Young*
    Robin Yount*

    Not yet eligible for the Hall of Fame, but worthy:
    Carlos Beltran
    Jim Edmonds
    Jason Giambi
    Brian Giles
    Tom Glavine
    Ken Griffey
    Vladimir Guerrero
    Roy Halladay
    Todd Helton
    Derek Jeter
    Randy Johnson
    Chipper Jones
    Greg Maddux
    Pedro Martinez
    Mike Mussina
    Jorge Posada
    Albert Pujols
    Manny Ramirez
    Mariano Rivera
    Alex Rodriguez
    Ivan Rodriguez
    Scott Rolen
    CC Sabathia
    Johan Santana
    Gary Sheffield
    John Smoltz
    Ichiro Suzuki
    Frank Thomas
    Jim Thome

    Newly elected are:
    Tommy Bond
    Eddie Cicotte
    Art Fletcher
    Doc Gooden
    Charley Jones
    Johan Santana
    Bill Terry
    Bobby Veach
    George Uhle

    The next are in the consideration set, notes have been made for those who have moved out of the personal hall since my last update (DOWN) and those moved onto the consideration set (UP)


    Bobby Abreu
    Babe Adams DOWN
    Buzz Arlett
    Jake Beckley
    Cool Papa Bell
    Albert Belle UP
    Adrian Beltre UP
    Lance Berkman
    Bobby Bonds
    Ken Boyer
    Tommy Bridges
    Willard Brown
    Pete Browning UP
    Charlie Buffinton
    Miguel Cabrera UP
    Bob Caruthers DOWN
    Norm Cash
    Ron Cey
    Bus Clarkson
    David Concepcion
    Wilbur Cooper
    Jose Cruz
    Kiki Cuyler
    Dizzy Dean
    Fred Dunlap
    Luke Easter
    Yutaka Enatsu
    Chuck Finley
    Davy Force
    Bill Freehan DOWN
    Jim Fregosi
    Burleigh Grimes UP
    Stan Hack DOWN
    Orel Hershiser DOWN
    Trevor Hoffman
    Elston Howard UP
    Tim Hudson UP
    Tommy John
    Bob Johnson
    Andruw Jones
    Jeff Kent
    Ralph Kiner
    Jerry Koosman UP
    Chet Lemon
    Joe Mauer DOWN
    Joe Medwick
    Bill Monroe DOWN
    Dobie Moore
    Tony Mullane
    Roy Oswalt
    Andy Pettitte UP
    Dick Redding
    Eppa Rixey
    Harry Stovey
    Ben Taylor
    Gene Tenace
    Sam Thompson
    Luis Tiant
    Joe Tinker UP
    Joe Torre
    Chase Utley
    Roy White UP
    Jim Whitney
    Bernie Williams
    Tetsuya Yoneda

    I would like to elect at least one more 19th century hurler, but I have trouble trusting the metrics.
    Anecdotely/reputation wise, does anyone standout amongst:
    Caruthers, Whitney, McCormick, or Welch?

    P.S. - Matthew C - can you update the most recent hall of fame eligibles - I like to compare my choices to yours.

    Tentative attempt at contributors:
    A. J. Reach
    Al Barlick
    Al Lopez
    Alexander Cartwright
    Ban Johnson
    Ben Shibe
    Bill James
    Bill Klem
    Bill McKechnie
    Bill Veeck
    Billy Evans
    Billy Martin
    Billy Southworth
    Bob Davids
    Bob Ferguson
    Bobby Cox
    Branch Rickey
    Buck Canel
    Buck O’Neil
    C. I. Taylor
    Casey Stengel
    Charles Comiskey
    Charles Conlon
    Connie Mack
    Cum Posey
    David Neft
    Dick Williams
    Doc Adams
    Doug Harvey
    Earl Weaver
    Ed Barrow
    Ed Bolden
    Ford Frick
    Francis Richter
    Frank Chance
    Frank Selee
    George Steinbrenner
    George Weiss
    Harry Wright
    Henry Chadwick
    Iso Abe
    J. L. Wilkinson
    J.G. Taylor Spink
    Jack Dunn
    Jacob Ruppert
    Jim Creighton
    Jocko Conlan
    Joe McCarthy
    John Schierholtz
    Kazuto Tsuruoaka
    Kenesaw Landis
    Larry MacPhail
    Leo Durocher
    Marvin Miller
    Matsutaro Shoriki
    Mel Allen
    Miller Huggins
    Ned Hanlon
    O. P. Caylor
    Pat Gillick
    Red Barber
    Shigeru Mizuhara
    Sol White
    Sparky Anderson
    Tetsuharu Kawakami
    Tom Connolly
    Tommy Lasorda
    Tony LaRussa
    Vic Harris
    Vin Scully
    Walter Alston
    Walter O'Malley
    Whitey Herzog
    William Hulbert
    Last edited by Jar of Flies; 01-11-2013 at 08:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jar of Flies View Post

    P.S. - Matthew C - can you update the most recent hall of fame eligibles - I like to compare my choices to yours.
    Mine has changed a lot since I did it a few years ago. I might try to get around to posting an update here soon.
    1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

    1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

    1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


    The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
    The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    Mine has changed a lot since I did it a few years ago. I might try to get around to posting an update here soon.
    I'd be much obliged if you would.
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    Thanks for the update, Jar of Flies.

    I tabulated the votes again. Unusually, no change to the Hall of Fame here. Six contributors dropped out of the Hall of Honor: Happy Chandler, Bucky Harris, John Heydler, Alex Pompez, Lou Piniella, and Joe Torre.

    More votes for the vote god!
    *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

  5. #425
    Overlooked joe torre and alex pompez on the contributors, please add
    Last edited by Jar of Flies; 01-12-2013 at 10:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jar of Flies View Post
    Overlooked joe torre and alex pompez on the contributors, please add
    Got it. So after a brief stint outside the Hall of Honor, both men are back in.
    *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

  7. #427
    Not doing Negro League or Pioneers. I'm also not touching active players, but only retired (or those who appear like they are about to be retired). + means they are retired (or i think they are about to be) and I will put them in my HOF as soon as eligible. I don't abide by 10 year minimum play time, nor the ineligible list. Additionally, I break down by position which means I had to make some judgment calls on which position I consider some players. This may've caused me to miss some dual position players, like I nearly forgot Musial.


    Pitchers (80 + 4)

    Cy Young
    Walter Johnson
    Schilling
    Seaver
    Grove
    Nichols
    Alexander
    Clemens
    Niekro
    Mathewson
    Blyleven
    Perry
    Spahn
    Plank
    Carlton
    Clarkson
    Keefe
    Galvin
    Bob Gibson
    Jenkins
    Nolan Ryan
    Robin Roberts
    Vic Willis
    Sutton
    Palmer
    Kevin Brown
    Reuschel
    Rusie
    Hubbell
    Radbourn
    Jim McCormick
    Faber
    Tiant
    Lyons
    Coveleski
    Vance
    Feller
    Walsh
    Welch
    Eckersley
    Cone
    Marichal
    Spalding
    Waddell
    Drysdale
    Koufax
    Ford
    Three Finger Brown
    Rixey
    Mullane
    Newhouser
    Bunning
    McGinnity
    Ruffing
    Wes Ferrell
    Wynn
    Joss
    Wilhelm
    Gossage
    Caruthers
    Bucky Walters
    Hershiser
    Shocker
    Babe Adams
    B Pierce
    W Cooper
    Noodles Hahn
    Dizzy Dean
    Dave Stieb
    C Griffith
    Tommy John
    Saberhagen
    Appier
    Cicotte
    Maddux
    Glavine
    Mussina
    Smoltz
    Pedro Martinez
    R Johnson

    +M Rivera
    +Halladay
    +Oswalt
    +Pettitte

    Catcher (18 + 1)
    Bench
    Carter
    Berra
    Dickey
    Torre
    Piazza
    Fisk
    Hartnett
    Cochrane
    Simmons
    Tenace
    Lombardi
    Schang
    Munson
    Ewing
    Bresnahan
    Campanella
    C Bennett

    +Ivan Rodriguez

    1B (18 + 2)
    Gehrig
    Foxx
    Connor
    Anson
    Brouthers
    Bagwell
    Mize
    Murray
    McCovey
    Palmeiro
    Killebrew
    Sisler
    Terry
    Greenberg
    K Hernandez
    D Allen
    W Clark
    Beckley


    +Thome
    +Helton

    2B (20)
    Hornsby
    Eddie Collins
    Lajoie
    Morgan
    Whitaker
    Frisch
    Grich
    Gehringer
    Sandberg
    Alomar
    Biggio
    Jackie Robinson
    Willie Randolph
    Joe Gordon
    Billy Herman
    Bid McPhee
    Carew
    Ross Barnes
    Hardy Richardson
    Jeff Kent

    3B (18 + 2)
    Schmidt
    Mathews
    Boggs
    Brett
    Brooks Robinson
    Nettles
    Buddy Bell
    Santo
    Home Run Baker
    Boyer
    Bando
    Deacon White
    Darrell Evans
    McGraw
    Heinie Groh
    Jimmy Collins
    Bob Elliott
    Stan Hack

    +Rolen
    + Jones

    SS (18 + 1)
    Wagner
    Ripken
    George Davis
    Yount
    Dahlen
    Ozzie Smith
    Vaughan
    Larkin
    Trammell
    Appling
    Wallace
    Reese
    Banks
    Cronin
    Glasscock
    Boudreau
    Monte Ward
    Jennings

    +Jeter

    LF (23 + 1)
    Musial
    T Williams
    B Williams
    Henderson
    Delahanty
    Yaz
    Rose
    Raines
    Simmons
    Clarke
    Goslin
    Burkett
    Wheat
    Sherry Magee
    Stargell
    Indian Bob Johnson
    Medwick
    Minoso
    Joe Kelley
    Kiner
    Bonds
    O'Rourke
    Stovey

    +Manny Ramirez

    CF (19 + 2)
    Mays
    Cobb
    Speaker
    Mantle
    Snider
    Hamilton
    DiMaggio
    Ashburn
    Carey
    Doby
    Averill
    Dawson
    Reggie Smith
    Paul Hines
    George Gore
    Lofton
    Puckett
    Pete Browning
    Willie Davis

    +Griffey
    +Edmonds
    +andruw Jones

    RF (22 + 2)
    Aaron
    Ott
    Ruth
    Winfield
    Slaughter
    Keeler
    Flick
    Shoeless Jackson
    King Kelly
    Frank Robinson
    Sam Thompson
    Dwight Evans
    Gwynn
    Heilmann
    Reggie Jackson
    Larry Walker
    Paul Waner
    Sam Crawford
    Kaline
    Clemente
    Bobby Bonds
    Sheffield

    +Vlad Guerrero
    +Abreu

    DH (3)
    Molitor
    Edgar Martinez
    Frank Thomas
    Last edited by baltimorechop; 02-27-2015 at 11:20 AM. Reason: clean up

  8. #428
    I am new to the project and will be adding a group every couple of days until my list is complete.I will make a list for Negro League, Mexican League and other leagues as I get time.

    Catchers -

    Johnny Bench
    Charlie Bennett
    Yogi Berra
    Roger Bresnahan
    Roy Campanella
    Gary Carter
    Mickey Cochrane
    Bill Dickey
    Buck Ewing
    Carlton Fisk
    Bill Freehan
    Gabby Hartnett
    Elston Howard
    Ernie Lombardi
    Thurman Munson
    Lance Parrish
    Mike Piazza
    Wally Schang
    Ted Simmons
    Joe Torre
    Deacon White

    1st Base -

    Cap Anson
    Dick Allen
    Jeff Bagwell
    Jake Beckley
    Dan Brouthers
    Orlando Cepeda
    Frank Chance
    Will Clark
    Roger Connor
    Jimmie Foxx
    Lou Gehrig
    Hank Greenberg
    Keith Hernandez
    Gil Hodges
    Harmon Killebrew
    Willie McCovey
    Fred McGriff
    Cal McVey
    Mark McGwire
    Johnny Mize
    Eddie Murray
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Tony Perez
    George Sisler
    Joe Start
    Bill Terry
    Hal Trosky

    2nd Base -

    Roberto Alomar
    Ross Barnes
    Craig Biggio
    Rod Carew
    Cupid Childs
    Eddie Collins
    Bobby Doerr
    Larry Doyle
    Frankie Frisch
    Charlie Gehringer
    Bobby Grich
    Joe Gordon
    Billy Herman
    Rogers Hornsby
    Jeff Kent
    Nap Lajoie
    Tony Lazzeri
    Bid McPhee
    Joe Morgan
    Willie Randolph
    Hardy Richardson
    Jackie Robinson
    Ryne Sandberg
    Lou Whitaker
    Frank White

    Shortstops -

    Luke Appling
    Ernie Banks
    Lou Boudreau
    Joe Cronin
    Bill Dahlen
    George Davis
    Jack Glasscock
    Hughie Jennings
    Barry Larkin
    Dickey Pearce
    Pee Wee Reese
    Cal Ripken Jr.
    Ozzie Smith
    Vern Stephens
    Alan Trammell
    Arky Vaughan
    Honus Wagner
    John Montgomery Ward
    George Wright
    Robin Yount

    3rd Base -

    Frank Baker
    Sal Bando
    Wade Boggs
    Ken Boyer
    George Brett
    Jimmy Collins
    Bob Elliott
    Darrell Evans
    Heinie Groh
    Stan Hack
    Tommy Leach
    Edgar Martinez
    Eddie Mathews
    John McGraw
    Paul Molitor
    Graig Nettles
    Brooks Robinson
    Al Rosen
    Ron Santo
    Mike Schmidt
    Ezra Sutton
    Pie Traynor


    Left Fielders -

    Albert Belle
    Barry Bonds
    Lou Brock
    Jesse Burkett
    Fred Clarke
    Gavvy Cravath
    Ed Delahanty
    Goose Goslin
    Rickey Henderson
    Monte Irvin
    Shoeless Joe Jackson
    Bob Johnson
    Ralph Kiner
    Sherry Magee
    Joe Medwick
    Minnie Minoso
    Stan Musial
    Jim O'Rourke
    Tim Raines
    Jimmy Sheckard
    Al Simmons
    Willie Stargell
    Harry Stovey
    Zach Wheat
    Billy Williams
    Ted Williams
    Carl Yastrzemski


    Center Fielders -

    Richie Ashburn
    Earl Averill
    Wally Berger
    Max Carey
    Ty Cobb
    Joe DiMaggio
    Larry Doby
    Hugh Duffy
    George Gore
    Billy Hamilton
    Paul Hines
    Kenny Lofton
    Fred Lynn
    Mickey Mantle
    Willie Mays
    Dale Murphy
    Tony Oliva
    Lip Pike
    Vada Pinson
    Kirby Puckett
    Edd Roush
    Duke Snider
    Tris Speaker
    George Van Haltren
    Hack Wilson
    Jimmy Wynn


    Right Fielders -

    Hank Aaron
    Bobby Bonds
    Harold Baines
    Roberto Clemente
    Sam Crawford
    Andre Dawson
    Dwight Evans
    Tony Gwynn
    Harry Heilmann
    Reggie Jackson
    Al Kaline
    Willie Keeler
    King Kelly
    Mel Ott
    Frank Robinson
    Pete Rose
    Babe Ruth
    Enos Slaughter
    Reggie Smith
    Sammy Sosa
    Sam Thompson
    Paul Waner
    Larry Walker
    Dave Winfield

    Starting Pitchers -

    Grover Cleveland Alexander
    Chief Bender
    Vida Blue
    Bert Blyleven
    Tommy Bridges
    Mordecai Brown
    Jim Bunning
    Steve Carlton
    Bob Caruthers
    Eddie Cicotte
    John Clarkson
    Roger Clemens
    David Cone
    Wilbur Cooper
    Stan Coveleski
    Jim Creighton
    Dizzy Dean
    Don Drysdale
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller
    Wes Ferrell
    Whitey Ford
    Pud Galvin
    Bob Gibson
    Lefty Gomez
    Dwight Gooden
    Clark Griffith
    Burleigh Grimes
    Lefty Grove
    Carl Hubbell
    Catfish Hunter
    Fergie Jenkins
    Tommy John
    Walter Johnson
    Addie Joss
    Jim Kaat
    Tim Keefe
    Silver King
    Sandy Koufax
    Bob Lemon
    Ted Lyons
    Juan Marichal
    Bobby Mathews
    Christy Mathewson
    Carl Mays
    Joe McGinnity
    Jack Morris
    Tony Mullane
    Don Newcombe
    Hal Newhouser
    Kid Nichols
    Phil Niekro
    Jim Palmer
    Gaylord Perry
    Billy Pierce
    Eddie Plank
    Charley Radbourn
    Eppa Rixey
    Robin Roberts
    Red Ruffing
    Amos Rusie
    Babe Ruth
    Nolan Ryan
    Bret Saberhagen
    Curt Schilling
    Tom Seaver
    Urban Shocker
    Warren Spahn
    Dave Stieb
    Don Sutton
    Luis Tiant
    Dazzy Vance
    Rube Waddell
    Ed Walsh
    Mickey Welch
    Vic Willis
    Joe Wood
    Wilbur Wood
    Early Wynn
    Cy Young


    Relievers -

    Dennis Eckersley
    Rollie Fingers
    John Franco
    Goose Gossage
    Tom Henke
    Doug Jones
    Mike Marshall
    Firpo Mayberry
    Tug McGraw
    Jesse Orosco
    Jeff Reardon
    Lee Smith
    Bruce Sutter
    Dan Quisenberry
    John Wetteland
    Hoyt Wilhelm


    Negro, Mexican, Cuban, and Japanese League Players -

    Cool Papa Bell
    Akira Bessho
    Ray Brown
    Willard Brown
    Perucho Cepeda
    Oscar Charleston
    Andy Cooper
    Ray Dandridge
    Leon Day
    Martin DiHigo
    Bill Foster
    Rube Foster
    Josh Gibson
    Frank Grant
    Pete Hill
    Judy Johnson
    Masaichi Kaneda
    Buck Leonard
    John Henry Lloyd
    Dick Lundy
    Biz Mackey
    Jose Mendez
    Dobie Moore
    Katsuya Nomura
    Sadaharu Oh
    Alejandro Oms
    Satchel Paige
    Spotswood Poles
    Double Duty Radcliffe
    Dick Redding
    Louis Santop
    Hilton Smith
    Victor Starffin
    Turkey Stearnes
    Mule Suttles
    Quincy Trouppe
    Bullet Rogan
    Ben Taylor
    Cristobal Torriente
    Joe Williams
    Jud Wilson


    Managers -

    Walter Alston
    Sparky Anderson
    Leo Durocher
    Ned Hanlon
    Bucky Harris
    Whitey Herzog
    Miller Huggins
    Tommy Lasorda
    Al Lopez
    Connie Mack
    Billy Martin
    Joe McCarthy
    John McGraw
    Bill McKechnie
    Danny Murtaugh
    Frank Selee
    Billy Southworth
    Casey Stengel
    Earl Weaver
    Dick Williams
    Harry Wright


    Executives/Pioneers -

    Doc Adams
    Ed Barrow
    Alexander Cartwright
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    Andruw Jones (active)

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    Wow, two new ballots! Thanks, guys. I'll update the totals soon. Richard, I'll probably hold off on adding yours until you get everybody in. No rush. It's just easier for me to tabulate that way.
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    It looks like I kicked Puckett out, but got Keith Hernandez in!

    I'm shocked that Bobby Grich doesn't collectivey have 75%, but i'll get him (and Rixey & Faber) really close to in. I'm biased toward reds, but i am surprised that Red Faber isn't thought a little higher of.

    If anyone notices a multi-position player I may've overlooked, please tell me. I totally missed Dick Allen and Stan Musial because I did my hall of fame by position (as I was doing this I thought of others like Rose, Banks, Carew, Killebrew, King Kelly as I went, but probably forgot someone else important).

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    Updated again. Keith Hernandez is back in the Hall now.

    Any more...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by baltimorechop View Post
    It looks like I kicked Puckett out, but got Keith Hernandez in!

    I'm shocked that Bobby Grich doesn't collectivey have 75%, but i'll get him (and Rixey & Faber) really close to in. I'm biased toward reds, but i am surprised that Red Faber isn't thought a little higher of.

    .
    Faber had two great years, one really good year and a whole lot of blah. No thanks. Rixey was Faber, but downgrading the two great years with two good years. Double no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    Faber had two great years, one really good year and a whole lot of blah. No thanks. Rixey was Faber, but downgrading the two great years with two good years. Double no thanks.
    I will grant you only two superb year and a lot of compiling. (I come off as combatative a lot, but I'm trying to start a rousing argument here). I noticed that you put in Tommy Bridges (and you have posts where you reference WAR without being overly skeptical). I see Tommy Bridges with 126 ERA+ in over 2800 IP. Of course, Faber pitched far longer, but if you only look at until 1925 he has about 15 fewer IP than Bridges with a 125 ERA+. His WAR at this point in his career is 44.7 compared to bridges 48.1. The difference is, Faber's peak is far higher than Bridges (a 10 and 8 WAR season, where Bridges has just a 6 and a 5).

    Now, you can definitely counter that Bridges was more often in the top 5 pitchers in his league, but never was he first or second. Faber was first one year, and second another. Then it comes down to how you value peak. I guess I'm making the argument that Faber did very nearly what Bridges did, but then added another 17 war and 1200+ IP at a 109 ERA+. I did let in a few pitchers like Bridges, but I usually was looking for them to be a little more dominant in exchange for their shorter careers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltimorechop View Post
    I will grant you only two superb year and a lot of compiling. (I come off as combatative a lot, but I'm trying to start a rousing argument here). I noticed that you put in Tommy Bridges (and you have posts where you reference WAR without being overly skeptical). I see Tommy Bridges with 126 ERA+ in over 2800 IP. Of course, Faber pitched far longer, but if you only look at until 1925 he has about 15 fewer IP than Bridges with a 125 ERA+. His WAR at this point in his career is 44.7 compared to bridges 48.1. The difference is, Faber's peak is far higher than Bridges (a 10 and 8 WAR season, where Bridges has just a 6 and a 5).

    Now, you can definitely counter that Bridges was more often in the top 5 pitchers in his league, but never was he first or second. Faber was first one year, and second another. Then it comes down to how you value peak. I guess I'm making the argument that Faber did very nearly what Bridges did, but then added another 17 war and 1200+ IP at a 109 ERA+. I did let in a few pitchers like Bridges, but I usually was looking for them to be a little more dominant in exchange for their shorter careers.
    I no longer support Bridges. May have been an over-site the first time, as I never remember supporting him. I had to check my original list to see that he was really on there. They are both in the 80's or so all-time for me. Faber did have the bigger peak, but Bridges had a lot more quality secondary seasons and missed two seasons due to military service. Slight edge in league quality too. I think those things balance out the two big Faber years. Either way, you are right, they are pretty close. Still not sure how Bridges snuck on my list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    I no longer support Bridges. May have been an over-site the first time, as I never remember supporting him. I had to check my original list to see that he was really on there. They are both in the 80's or so all-time for me. Faber did have the bigger peak, but Bridges had a lot more quality secondary seasons and missed two seasons due to military service. Slight edge in league quality too. I think those things balance out the two big Faber years. Either way, you are right, they are pretty close. Still not sure how Bridges snuck on my list.
    So I should drop Bridges from your ballot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJC View Post
    So I should drop Bridges from your ballot?
    Yes - I was hoping to make all of my corrections at one time. Could I just tell you who I want to add and who I want to drop, or do I need to alphabetize everybody again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    Yes - I was hoping to make all of my corrections at one time. Could I just tell you who I want to add and who I want to drop, or do I need to alphabetize everybody again?
    Here's everyone I currently have you down as voting for:

    Aaron, Hank
    Alexander, Pete
    Allen, Dick
    Alomar, Roberto
    Anson, Cap
    Appling, Luke
    Ashburn, Richie
    Averill, Earl
    Baker, Home Run
    Bando, Sal
    Banks, Ernie
    Beckley, Jake
    Bell, Cool Papa
    Bench, Johnny
    Berra, Yogi
    Blyleven, Bert
    Boggs, Wade
    Boudreau, Lou
    Boyer, Ken
    Brett, George
    Bridges, Tommy
    Brouthers, Dan
    Brown, Mordecai
    Brown, Raymond
    Brown, Willard
    Bunning, Jim
    Burkett, Jesse
    Campanella, Roy
    Carew, Rod
    Carey, Max
    Carlton, Steve
    Carter, Gary
    Caruthers, Bob
    Charleston, Oscar
    Clark, Will
    Clarke, Fred
    Clarkson, John
    Clemente, Roberto
    Cobb, Ty
    Cochrane, Mickey
    Collins, Eddie
    Collins, Jimmy
    Connor, Roger
    Coveleski, Stan
    Crawford, Sam
    Cronin, Joe
    Dahlen, Bill
    Dandridge, Ray
    Davis, George
    Dawson, Andre
    Day, Leon
    Delahanty, Ed
    Dickey, Bill
    Dihigo, Martin
    DiMaggio, Joe
    Doby, Larry
    Doerr, Bobby
    Drysdale, Don
    Eckersley, Dennis
    Evans, Darrell
    Evans, Dwight
    Ewing, Buck
    Faber, Red
    Feller, Bob
    Ferrell, Wes
    Fisk, Carlton
    Flick, Elmer
    Ford, Whitey
    Foster, Bill
    Foxx, Jimmie
    Frisch, Frankie
    Galvin, Pud
    Gehrig, Lou
    Gehringer, Charlie
    Gibson, Bob
    Gibson, Josh
    Glasscock, Jack
    Gordon, Joe
    Goslin, Goose
    Gossage, Rich
    Grant, Frank
    Greenberg, Hank
    Grich, Bobby
    Griffith, Clark
    Grove, Lefty
    Gwynn, Tony
    Hack, Stan
    Hamilton, Billy
    Hartnett, Gabby
    Heilmann, Harry
    Henderson, Rickey
    Herman, Billy
    Hernandez, Keith
    Hill, Pete
    Hornsby, Rogers
    Hubbell, Carl
    Irvin, Monte
    Jackson, Reggie
    Jenkins, Fergie
    Johnson, Judy
    Johnson, Walter
    Kaline, Al
    Keefe, Tim
    Keeler, Willie
    Kelley, Joe
    Kelly, King
    Killebrew, Harmon
    Kiner, Ralph
    Koufax, Sandy
    Lajoie, Nap
    Larkin, Barry
    Lazzeri, Tony
    Lemon, Bob
    Leonard, Buck
    Lloyd, Pop
    Lyons, Ted
    Mackey, Biz
    Magee, Sherry
    Mantle, Mickey
    Marichal, Juan
    Martinez, Edgar
    Mathews, Eddie
    Mathewson, Christy
    Mays, Willie
    McCovey, Willie
    McGinnity, Joe
    McGraw, John
    McPhee, Bid
    Medwick, Joe
    Mendez, Jose
    Minoso, Minnie
    Mize, Johnny
    Molitor, Paul
    Morgan, Joe
    Mullane, Tony
    Murray, Eddie
    Musial, Stan
    Nettles, Graig
    Newhouser, Hal
    Nichols, Kid
    Niekro, Phil
    O'Rourke, Jim
    Ott, Mel
    Paige, Satchel
    Palmer, Jim
    Perry, Gaylord
    Pierce, Billy
    Plank, Eddie
    Puckett, Kirby
    Radbourn, Old Hoss
    Raines, Tim
    Randolph, Willie
    Reese, Pee Wee
    Reuschel, Rick
    Ripken, Cal
    Rixey, Eppa
    Roberts, Robin
    Robinson, Brooks
    Robinson, Frank
    Robinson, Jackie
    Rogan, Bullet
    Ruffing, Red
    Rusie, Amos
    Ruth, Babe
    Ryan, Nolan
    Saberhagen, Bret
    Sandberg, Ryne
    Santo, Ron
    Santop, Louis
    Schmidt, Mike
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    Sewell, Joe
    Shocker, Urban
    Simmons, Al
    Simmons, Ted
    Sisler, George
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    Stieb, Dave
    Suttles, Mule
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    Taylor, Ben
    Terry, Bill
    Tiant, Luis
    Torre, Joe
    Torriente, Cristobal
    Trammell, Alan
    Vance, Dazzy
    Vaughan, Arky
    Waddell, Rube
    Wagner, Honus
    Wallace, Bobby
    Walsh, Ed
    Waner, Paul
    Ward, Monte
    Wells, Willie
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    Williams, Joe
    Williams, Ted
    Willis, Vic
    Wilson, Jud
    Winfield, Dave
    Wynn, Early
    Yastrzemski, Carl
    Young, Cy
    Yount, Robin

    Would you be able to add 2005-07 retirees to your list? And if you're interested, you could make a list of Future HOFers (played in 2008 or later) and/or a list of Contributors.
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    The below only matters if you support Tommy John which the above post doesn't list, but is listed on the first page (unless I'm reading that list incorrectly).


    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew C. View Post
    I no longer support Bridges. May have been an over-site the first time, as I never remember supporting him. I had to check my original list to see that he was really on there. They are both in the 80's or so all-time for me. Faber did have the bigger peak, but Bridges had a lot more quality secondary seasons and missed two seasons due to military service. Slight edge in league quality too. I think those things balance out the two big Faber years. Either way, you are right, they are pretty close. Still not sure how Bridges snuck on my list.

    I feel like I just wronged Tommy Bridges (sorry!). How about Tommy John vs. Red Faber. Since John actually pitched more than Faber (and hurt his stats at the end), i'll take just to 1984. This puts Tommy at 4125 IP (Red is 4086) 114 ERA+ (119 for Red) 54.4 WAR, 24 WAA (red 61.9 WAR 28.6 WAA). They both have only 3 seasons above 5 WAR, but Tommy's are 5.3 5.3 & 5.2 compared to Red's 10.8, 8.9 and 5.3. Faber was pitching more innings per year to get some of those high totals, but he still ends up 7.5 war ahead in 40 fewer innings (when examining John only to 1984).

    Tommy John is 4 times top 10 pitcher in his league (by war), but only 1 time in the top 5. Faber is twice #1 and three times overall top 10 (my previous post on Bridges I think I was looking at Faber's WAR vs all players, not just pitchers). You can of course point to the difference in opposition (Faber playing pre-integration), but is Faber really that different from Tommy John (when you take off his last few seasons, where he hurts his ERA and earns -2 WAA and 2.5 WAR)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by baltimorechop View Post
    The below only matters if you support Tommy John which the above post doesn't list, but is listed on the first page (unless I'm reading that list incorrectly).





    I feel like I just wronged Tommy Bridges (sorry!). How about Tommy John vs. Red Faber. Since John actually pitched more than Faber (and hurt his stats at the end), i'll take just to 1984. This puts Tommy at 4125 IP (Red is 4086) 114 ERA+ (119 for Red) 54.4 WAR, 24 WAA (red 61.9 WAR 28.6 WAA). They both have only 3 seasons above 5 WAR, but Tommy's are 5.3 5.3 & 5.2 compared to Red's 10.8, 8.9 and 5.3. Faber was pitching more innings per year to get some of those high totals, but he still ends up 7.5 war ahead in 40 fewer innings (when examining John only to 1984).

    Tommy John is 4 times top 10 pitcher in his league (by war), but only 1 time in the top 5. Faber is twice #1 and three times overall top 10 (my previous post on Bridges I think I was looking at Faber's WAR vs all players, not just pitchers). You can of course point to the difference in opposition (Faber playing pre-integration), but is Faber really that different from Tommy John (when you take off his last few seasons, where he hurts his ERA and earns -2 WAA and 2.5 WAR)?
    I do not support John either. I have Faber 77th all time and John 79th. The LQ issue and John's WPA "Clutch" score close the two-big year gap some for me. Also, both pitched very well in postseason, but John did it for 60 more innings than Faber. FWIW, both are in the next 10 who I would put in, but don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baltimorechop View Post
    The below only matters if you support Tommy John which the above post doesn't list, but is listed on the first page (unless I'm reading that list incorrectly).
    In a subsequent post, he asked that John be dropped from his ballot.
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