I would like to think that Cox brought in Venters solely because he's been so effective against everyone of late but I'm almost positive that he was using that stale lefteis vs. lefties formula, regardless of how Kelly has always hit them.
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I would like to think that Cox brought in Venters solely because he's been so effective against everyone of late but I'm almost positive that he was using that stale lefteis vs. lefties formula, regardless of how Kelly has always hit them.
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"If we have to rely on me to hit a home run to win a game, we’re in bad shape." - Rick Camp July 4, 1985
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Well to be fair there weren't a whole lot of options, leaving Moylan in likely would have been a mistake as his one weakness is lefties. Martinez and Chavez aren't ever going to be used in high pressure situations unless one of the few last options. One could make an arguement for Kimbrel but he is far from proven option and going to him would have likely been just as risky.Originally Posted by Los Bravos
Venters has been a hot hand and against lefties he has been the best (10.0 IP with 4 Hits, 3 HBP, 3 BB and 13 K). While Kelly is better against lefties when you consider the other options in the pen, the relative performance of each of the remaining arms in the pen, and the work Venters has done when put in similar situations (ie. against lefties) it is hard to find a ton of flaws in Bobby's logic. I know it is easy to beat up Bobby for his choices (I will do it if I disagree with his choices) but in this instance I think the criticism isn't taking everything into account.
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More missed chances thanks to McLouth, I think it is time to consider benching him for good and giving Melky the everyday job. While his BA is pretty hollow at least he has the potential of helping the team when runners are on.
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"Cheap" is the word I'd use to describe tonight's game and that's all I'm saying about it.
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I wasn't really trying to do that. All in all, I probably would have made the same call, even knowing Kelly's scuccess against lefties. I just think Cox went "Lefty vs lefty" without thinking it any further than that.I was wondering all night why Melky wasn't in the lineup, especially due to his recent success. I still feel that way but having him spit the bit in the 9th didn't help his case too much.
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chipper aka met-killer
man, great defense by heyward and prado that inning.
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Heyward hasn't looked good tonight but in his defense that Liriano slider might be the best I have seen this season.
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chipper aka met-killer
and here comes some crappy defense to ruin another great pitching effort. didn't this happen in his last start?
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Prado's "problem" was a quirk of fate, Chipper's not used to Target Field (something about the limestone caused him not to see the ball at all, another quirk of fate) and I'm not sure Hudson would have had a play on Cuddyer the way he threw the ball to first; it looked to me like Glaus had to come off the bag to get that throw. He would have had to stretch awkwardly to get it if he had stayed on the bag.
Besides, Hudson could have pitched his way out of it after striking out Thome, and he didn't do it. Them's the breaks.
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Couldn't disagree more.
Tim is dependent on good defense. I absolutely hate that Chipper was playing out of position in yet another one of Bobby's damned shifts. Prado should have made that play. He'd tell you so himself and I honestly think Troy could have held that base. Expecting a guy to get 5-6 outs an inning from a team like them is highly unrealistic.
I know these things happen (I've seen them over and over) but this Cox style "Ah, we'll get 'em tomorrow" jazz always rings very hollow in my ears. They can't dwell on it but tonight's game was emminently winnable.
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chipper aka met-killer
i think prado could have made the play if he would have stopped, planted and fired, instead of trying to do a "jeter". as for chipper it's not so much about not making the play, as much as he didn't even see the ball. I agree with you about it's just one of those games (and honestly didn't think we would win this one before it started). However, it's just another game where the braves probably could have stolen one but didn't. Just frustrated and venting a bit.
chipper aka met-killer
very good defense so far tonight.... knock on wood
chipper aka met-killer
really need a braves win or a mets lose tonight.
chipper aka met-killer
either the braves are wore out from the 19 games in 19 nights or the OLD BRAVES OFFENSE IS BACK.
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Well, what do you expect? They're a "powerless" lineup for the most part again. Heyward's supplying no power because he's in a slump. Glaus and McCann are in minor slumps, Hinske's not hitting too well in this series. For God's sake, Cabrera was the one who hit their first homer in six games. Escobar still has just eight extra base hits and we're nearing mid-June. THe whole team is practically dinged up. There's a lot that's going wrong right now. Yet, through all that, the Braves still have the lead in the division.
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chipper aka met-killer
oh i agree.. i wasn't trying to imply a "knee jerk reaction" a 'it's the end of the world" ... i was being serious... and yes part of it is due to the injuries. i was trying to say they just need to try and get a win the next two days and get to that much needed day off
chipper aka met-killer
good baserunning by blanco there...
edit: and that was beautiful...
thank goodness! greatly needed win.
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Sure sounded like it. Sorry about that.
chipper aka met-killer
no worries.. i use this board as a venting mechanism more times than not.. don't have many friends that are big braves fans...
chipper aka met-killer
why do we never have the bases loaded with the middle of the order.... it always seems to be the 8th guy and the pitcher.
chipper aka met-killer
great play by mccann there... i think his base throwing is getting better... slowly but surely.
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Early on it was really tailing on him towards the 2nd base side which is fine with a lefty at bat as he can step to the outside but when righties were up it was almost always off target, now he seems to be throwing much more in a straight line.
Also interesting comment made during the Tampa Broadcast, they heard that Troy Glaus made a comment that he still felt like a 3B or SS, SS isn't going to happen but do you think signing Troy to say a 2 year extension to have him play 3B would be a good idea? He is more likely to get injured which is a concern and his defense might be worse then Chipper's but if his bat is back he could be a big help as the Braves transition.
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chipper aka met-killer
i figured with the season that he was having he would be out of our price range, but I would love to resign him. I also would love to resign hinske, in case freeman is not ready.
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Heyward is really casing the high fastball recently, it is not only that he is striking out on it but he is getting himself into bad counts as well.
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chipper aka met-killer
i read somewhere that his swing got pretty out of whack when he was compensating for his sore thumb... it looked like the last couple games (i missed last night) that he was starting to get back into the swing of things.
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