12-22-2010, 06:10 PM
Sultan--thanks you saved me from having to look for some of these neighborhood shots----doghouse, must have the doghouse. Will adjust Brill Ad -----still not happy with Van Heusen colors--may change them. Gotta check the cars in the scene and make sure they're not GM cars. Am doing a test render---should have something in less than an hour.
12-22-2010, 06:37 PM
Sultan-----Not sure of placement cause Brill ad is narrower, but think this is close.
12-22-2010, 06:57 PM
Since bleachers are done and new computer will handle it, brought all the bleachers into the landscape file---did test render and there's a fair amount of work left getting textures right. Had extra geometry from the old southbound stairs support that I removed after the rendering.
12-22-2010, 06:58 PM
EDITED to add: That rendering looks amazing! I'm sure you will get the hang of the new capabilities soon.
12-22-2010, 07:12 PM
Sulta---love the doghouses, especially the one with the kid in it. Can think of a few adults I'd like to put in a doghouse. Am hoping to get the latest version of modo--it has a feature called "ambient occlusion"---if you look at the rendering, a lot of the detail in the subway station building and the train cars gets blown out. What ambient occlusion does is bring out all the nooks and crannies that the lights blow out.
12-22-2010, 07:56 PM
Yes, I can see what you mean about the detail. That modo feature sounds promising. Getting the detail near the level of what the human eye would see at the Stadium in 1923 is of course a huge challenge. It's a shame we don't have many detailed and clear pics of the Stadium around 1923 to guide us further. Most of the better photographs taken in the early 1900s were made on huge 8-inch by 10-inch glass negatives, which were probably used sporadically for sports-related photography. Those negatives made detail such as in the links below was possible.
Both from around 1910. Note the ubiquitous spittoons:
This is a better example of tremendous detail in a single view. Hotel Astor, 1909:
The cars are still a bit too large, and that makes the Stadium and the train-related elements look smaller. Well, we had 'colorthon' (which is still ongoing, so maybe we should have 'car-o-thon', when you're ready. Here is a sample of the pics I have collected:
On the Brill ad, it seems that the get the habit! text is tilted upwards, and a bit closer to the left side of the billboard. If you could make that text a bit smaller, and move it a bit to the left and tilt it, it should end where the word "Brill" ends. There might be a line under that text:
Then the 'go to' might fit near the "B" in Brothers. That yellow works well with the blue and white.
Last edited by SultanOfWhat; 12-22-2010 at 08:03 PM.
12-22-2010, 09:27 PM
Sultan----will adjust Brill tomorrow and those images are very cool. I stand corrected on the ambient occlusion--it actually brings out the details that normally get lost in shdowed areas--either way more detail will be seen. Cars will definitelly be added--Thanks---but no GM CARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12-23-2010, 09:30 AM
Fixed Brill Bros. Gonna work on houses and make better textures for them.
12-23-2010, 10:44 AM
Gonna focus on the the houses right behind the railroad-----believe this is the house that was still standing in the 1950's.
12-23-2010, 12:16 PM
12-23-2010, 12:25 PM
Made roof steeper on this house.
12-23-2010, 12:48 PM
bk: you can't stop him --- you can only hope to contain him!
Love to see the neighborhood coming to life. Trying to be systematic, here are some reference pics:
Reference numbers are in the bottom left-hand corner:
As these pics show, there was mostly empty space on the YS side of River Avenue:
This 1924 aerial photo might help you decide the boundaries of the rendered neighborhood:
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12-23-2010, 12:48 PM
BK, the neighborhood is looking great in these new renderings! However it looks like you're making all of the house lots dramatically lower in elevation than the streets, which isn't the impression that I get from the photos. Some of the lots have what looks like wooden fences around them which cast shadows, but for the most part it looks fairly flat...some rises and dips here and there next to the tracks, but not really near the houses. There's one house with a double tire track paved driveway that looks like it might dip and then rise at reaches it's garage, but I think that one is actually curving around the house and then jogging back in. If the applicable Bronx building code of that time required all buildings to be a certain distance from the property line, the edges of the house and garage could be parallel, but the driveway would have to shift course to get around the house and back again, if that makes sense.
I also see from the photo showing the Polo Grounds in the distance from the new Stadium that as of opening day the PG would not yet have been expanded. So if you do make an opening day version of the PG it can be in it's original glory with the sumptuous ornamental friezes. Hooray!
12-23-2010, 01:26 PM
Thanks Sultan and JE. See what you're saying about the lots not being sunken in. Gonna build thehouse that seems to attach to the second house I just built---then would really like to do the Florist building. Oh, looky here, is that a doghouse next to the shed?
12-23-2010, 01:37 PM
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12-23-2010, 01:47 PM
Sultan, JE-----I do have a PG model built that would probably need a ton of revises since I don't think I used blueprints to build it. Am very glad to see that ornamentation on th UD is gone. May be doable. I think I might have scaled up the cars a tad, so I'll revisit that also. Also, the trolley car ran on a double track?
Wanna wish everyone the best for the holiday season and once again thank all. While I thought I'd be rendering and finalizing colors, it looks like early January is when the computer will be ready. Over the holidays, I'll focus on the neighborhood, since I believe structurally the stadium (except for a few internal things) is pretty much done. THANKS ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! General Motors still sucks.
12-23-2010, 02:17 PM
Just saw those last 3 PG images---interesting to say rthe least. Any ideas on these structures and the roofs that seem to have two sides raissed?
12-23-2010, 02:40 PM
Raised the level of the lots. Sultan, I think that doghouse was actually the first GM plant and I do believe it still exists and produces most of the cars sold in North America.
12-23-2010, 02:47 PM
I think these are the same buildings, seen from YS:
Another aerial. Too bad it's not a great pic detail-wise, because the southbound staircase is right there. I tried to zoom in on the second pic, but it's just too blurry. You can see the Edison Cement ad is up, but the Hotel Commodore ad is not. Probably about a week before OD.
The view from the upper deck, around April 4, 1923:
Next two pics are the pic above, zoomed to the left and then the right:
Next 4 pics are the same master view, broken into 4 zooms, looking from left to right:
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12-23-2010, 02:58 PM
bk, they just don't make 'em like they used to:
Last two reference pics for now.
12-23-2010, 03:05 PM
Wow---think we''l have the entire immediate neighborhood pretty accurate! Scaled cars down 10% and added driveway.
12-23-2010, 04:24 PM
My internet must be lagging---just saw that Lincoln!!!!!!!!! Added garage, rounded lot corners.
12-23-2010, 07:42 PM
Ah, I wasn't positive about the exact timing, but was fooled by that other photo caption that said "where the Yankees play", not in a future only tense. No doubt they used an older photo, though one taken after YS was built.
Originally Posted by SultanOfWhat
Still, those 8 days are a reason to (provisionally) hope.
Booo! The Polo Grounds UD ornamentation was one of the glories of the world, it's absense is no cause for gladness.
Originally Posted by bkhockey3
12-23-2010, 08:15 PM
The Polo Grounds ornamentation added an element of class to the ballpark, but it must have been costly to clean and maintain. I have a bunch of pics all over this page:
I followed up on Paul W's suggestion that the "coats of arms" were actually related to the host cities, not the ball clubs. It turned out to be true:
Last edited by SultanOfWhat; 12-23-2010 at 08:18 PM.
12-23-2010, 09:20 PM
Sultan, JE-------I agre with you on the PG ornamentation---just would've been quite a challenge to build! Another house done.