Getting bat on plane of the ball

[BoardMember]

Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing

You had written "Do you have any clips of someone getting to the swear-in position and leaving the hands behind?......."

That is different from requesting a photo of someone getting to a proper Power-V position and then having the elbow advance further ahead than the hands.

Or at least I interpretted it differently.

So what you are looking for is someone getting to a picture perfect Power-V position ... with the hands/rear-elbow/rear-shoulder all aligned with the stripe of the pants (you get the idea) ... and from this position having the elbow advance further towards 'contact' than the hands. Is that what you are looking for?

If so ... I've never seen it. I don't see the hands and rear-elbow being aligned at the Pow-V position and then see the elbow advancing ahead of the hands from this position.

I was responding to this assertion by HYP:

It looks like this. Get to the swearing in position and the shoulders are turning to hard. The weight of the bat puts to much strain on the hands/forearms and the forearm starts to get horizontal to the ground because it is being drag down because it is not strong enough to keep up with the turning shoulders.

Maybe I took him to litteral regarding "get to the swearing in position" and shoulders turning SO hard will then cause drag because the weight of the bat lays out the forearm..........I don't agree with that assertion.....

I think its a sequence equation vs. the weight of the bat equation........

[jbooth]

Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing

The rear forearm supination is difficult, at best, to detect prior to the elbow slotting ...

Yes, because it doesn't happen then.

The elbow dropping and elbow switching, pulls the shaft closer to the shoulder as the shoulders rotate, which cause the first barrel movement rearward. The top hand isn't doing anything at that instant to put force rearward into the barrel, other than indirect force applied from keeping the hinge angle.

The top hand throws the barrel at the ball, it doesn't yank the barrel rearward early, by trying to supinate the forearm.

Elbow switching, with shoulder rotation starts the barrel rearward, not THT or supination or anything else done by the top hand, other than the small force it needs to use to maintain forearm to bat angle.

[HYP]

Originally Posted by BoardMember

Well that's too bad......I really wanted to see someone's hands being left behind from the swearing position......Oh......I've seen when there is no swearing postion achived......IE layout of the forearm.....AND......I've seen it BEFORE the swear in position.......IE when the shoulders begin turing and the swear in position isn't achieved soon enough......

But I've never see hands left behind IN the swear in position......Sure you're not confusing this?

Here's a related question......how do you think the top hand moves infront of the back shoulder in these clips?........

The hands are already in front of the rear shoulder and do not change their relationship with the rear shoulder but I think I know what you are truly asking. The rear shoulder is moving toward contact.

Utley is a little different because he is sucking his hands in to hit an inside pitch.

[BoardMember]

Originally Posted by HYP

The hands are already in front of the rear shoulder and do not change their relationship with the rear shoulder but I think I know what you are truly asking. The rear shoulder is moving toward contact.

Utley is a little different because he is sucking his hands in to hit an inside pitch.

Actually that's not true at all......the hands "in most cases" are at the tip of the deltoid.....NOT in front of it......Then they move to a position in front of deltoid...........So tell your "leader" he's full of it.....Check the clips......

Back to the question.......How do the hands move from the tip of the detoid to in front of the deltoid?........

If you need verification, check how the length of the bat shortens over the deltiod as the hands move in front during the sequence....Or better yet....just watch the painted handle draw down into the rear shoulder as the hand move forward.........

Well, all the guys on the left anyway......

The guy on the right you can't really check......

[ShawnB]

Originally Posted by 1chapterahead

Not real close, but close enough...

You may want to help Edgar too.

You can't take to much out of one swing, just because it might look similar to the kid.

I watched Edgar his entire career and he made adjustments all the time with his swing.

He did many things over his career. When he hit 38 (?, it might have been more like 33 hr's) hrs he sat in the chair more and tilted more then in any other time. He looked at little like Sosa. He stayed with it until around September and then made some adjustments. That was Edgar, he would only stay with something until he felt he needed to change or felt it wasn't working anymore.

Edgar in his words, said he had problems staying back, dipping the back side (collapsing) (which didn't help when his hands would sometimes get a little high, such as in this clip), which caused him to uppercut to much at times (has to slot to much, hands to high).

I can find many swings that might look something like any amateur. The clip you posted doesn't really mean anything, IMO, just because you think they look similar. We don't know what Edgar is hitting, the count, the game situation.

I see adjustments in the swing you posted of Edgar. Since you named the clip 1b Cb, then I assume he is hitting a curve ball. And that isn't the same thing as what the kid is hitting or not hitting in this case.

[ShawnB]

I wouldn't doubt if he is hitting a curve ball that Edgar is giving it top spin.

He is one of the few I've seen who could do this consistently while hitting the ball well.

[1chapterahead]

Originally Posted by ShawnB

You can't take to much out of one swing, just because it might look similar to the kid.

I watched Edgar his entire career and he made adjustments all the time with his swing.

He did many things over his career. When he hit 38 (?, it might have been more like 33 hr's) hrs he sat in the chair more and tilted more then in any other time. He looked at little like Sosa. He stayed with it until around September and then made some adjustments. That was Edgar, he would only stay with something until he felt he needed to change or felt it wasn't working anymore.

Edgar in his words, said he had problems staying back, dipping the back side (collapsing) (which didn't help when his hands would sometimes get a little high, such as in this clip), which caused him to uppercut to much at times (has to slot to much, hands to high).

I can find many swings that might look something like any amateur. The clip you posted doesn't really mean anything, IMO, just because you think they look similar. We don't know what Edgar is hitting, the count, the game situation.

I see adjustments in the swing you posted of Edgar. Since you named the clip 1b Cb, then I assume he is hitting a curve ball. And that isn't the same thing as what the kid is hitting or not hitting in this case.

Sorry, he was 10 yo and yeah, he's not Edgar (he's a kid! duh). It was just cool putting him side/side. Don't read too much into it... Here's a full swing which looks a little better IMO.