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11-06-2009, 12:23 PM
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BBF VC Progressive HoF Contributors Election: 1966
Below is our master ballot of contributors. Please feel free to suggest new candidates to consider as I'm only caretaker of this end of the project and could have easily overlooked someone:
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Contributors Ballot: Cap Anson Frank Bancroft Ed Bolden Gussie Busch Morgan Bulkeley Bill Carrigan O.P. Caylor Frank Chance Happy Chandler Fred Clarke Charles Conlon Jocko Conlan Candy Cummings Chuck Dressen Barney Dreyfuss Jack Dunn Leo Durocher Jimmie Dykes Billy Evans Bob Ferguson Bud Fowler Ford Frick Frankie Frisch Warren Giles Gus Greenlee Clark Griffith Charlie Grimm Fred Haney Bucky Harris Cal Hubbard Fred Hutchinson Ring Lardner Larry MacPhail Abe Manley Effa Manley Tommy McCarthy Bill McKechnie Tim Murnane Charles Murphy Jim Mutrie Lefty O'Doul Steve O'Neill Jorge Pasquel Alex Pompez Cumberland Posey Harry Clay Pulliam Henry Grantland Rice Wilbert Robinson Pants Rowland Jacob Ruppert Luke Sewell Matsutaro Shoriki Billy Southworth Alfred H. Spink J.G. Taylor Spink Casey Stengel C.I. Taylor Ty Tyson Chris Von der Ahe Moses Fleetwood Walker John Ward George Weiss Sol White J.L. Wilkinson Phillip Wrigley *I tried to provide links for these contributors so participants could get a better sense of who they were. Some links just have a mention of the person and some clue as to their contribution. If someone knows of a more informative link for any of these players, please speak up and I will edit this list to add that information. Leecemark Jalbright JJPM74 Ace Venom dgarza Paul Wendt AG2004 cowtipper PVNick SavoyBG Brad Harris Domenic Since there are no voting limit restrictions for the Players VC, you can vote for as many contributors as you wish. If a blank ballot is cast here, there should be a justification for it. Voting will commence immediately and conclude when the regular 1966 election concludes which is Friday November 13 at 2:10 PM EST. Any contributor appearing on a minimum of 9 ballots (or 75% of the ballots submitted if all 12 members do not vote) is elected. No tallying will be done until time has expired and I ask that participants please refrain from posting comments about who the front runners are. Participants are encouraged to post ballots early and may edit as many times as they wish up to the voting deadline. They do not need to contact me if they make a change. HALL OF FAME CONTRIBUTORS Code:
Contributor Year Elected Doc Adams 1925 Ed Barrow 1941 Alex Cartwright 1925 Henry Chadwick 1925 Charlie Comiskey 1925 Tom Connolly 1956 Jim Creighton 1925 Rube Foster 1930 Miller Huggins 1941 William Hulbert 1925 Ned Hanlon 1936 Ban Johnson 1936 Bill Klem 1941 Kenesaw Landis 1951 Connie Mack 1930 Joe McCarthy 1951 John McGraw 1936 Al Reach 1946 Francis Richter 1941 Branch Rickey 1946 Frank Selee 1936 AG Spalding 1930 Harry Wright 1925 1925: Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Harry Wright, William Hulbert, Charlie Comiskey, Jim Creighton 1930: Rube Foster, Connie Mack, AG Spalding 1936: Ned Hanlon, Ban Johnson, John McGraw, Frank Selee 1941: Miller Huggins, Bill Klem, Francis Richter Ed Barrow 1946: Al Reach, Branch Rickey 1951: Kenesaw Landis, Joe McCarthy 1956: Tom Connolly 1961: Previous VC Contributors Threads: 1920 1925 1930 1936 1941 1946 1951 1956 1961 Note: Additional contributors and pioneers can be added if a participant or outsider suggests them to the master ballot. The person suggesting a contributor does not need to be a participant in the project but does need to give a brief explanation at to who the contributor is and why (s)he is worthy of discussion. Any person who is who has contributed to the game of baseball is eligible. The contributor's ballot is not limited to contributions to MLB.
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11-06-2009, 12:26 PM
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These contributors were dropped from the master list, but could be added back in by nomination:
Franklin Pierce Adams John T. Brush Charlie H. Byrne Joe Cronin Bill Dinneen Abner Doubleday Charles Ebbets Al Munro Elias John B. Foster Frankie Frisch Hugh Fullerton Kid Gleason Willie Harridge Gary Herrmann Hughie Jennings Paul Krichell Charles Wellford Leavitt Jr. Arthur Meyerhoff Abraham G. Mills Pat Moran Jack Norworth Frank Osborn Henry Grantland Rice Wilbert Robinson Ben Shibe Arthur Soden Charlie Somers George Stallings Gabby Street Charles Stoneham Ernest Thayer Frank Warfield Horace Wilson George Wright William Wrigley, Jr. Charles Zaldo Henry Zaldo Frederick Zaldo
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11-06-2009, 03:12 PM
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Can you please list who has become eligible since 1961 to ease the voting?
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11-06-2009, 04:28 PM
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Here's who I've added to the master list. I've included a lot of contributors that I overlooked.
Newly Added (28) Gussie Busch Bill Carrigan Jocko Conlan Churck Dressen Jimmie Dykes Billy Evans Bud Fowler (pioneer) Ford Frick Warren Giles Gus Greenlee Charlie Grimm Fred Haney Cal Hubbard Fred Hutchinson Abe Manley Effa Manley Charles Murphy Lefty O'Doul Steve O'Neill Jorge Pasquel Alex Pomez Cumberland Posey Pants Rowland Luke Sewell Matsutaro Shoriki Casey Stengel Ty Tyson Moses Fleetwood Walker (pioneer) George Weiss I also dropped a handful of candidates from the master list: John T. Brush Joe Cronin Charles Ebbets Frankie Frisch Hughie Jennings Ben Shibe Charles Stoneham George Wright William Wrigley, Jr.
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11-06-2009, 05:58 PM
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MY VOTES
Fred Clarke Charles Conlon Barney Dreyfuss Jack Dunn Bob Ferguson Clark Griffith Ring Lardner Tommy McCarthy Lefty O'Doul Grantlnad Rice Wilbert Robinson Billy Southworth Casey Stengel Chris von der Ahe John Ward Philip Wrigley
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11-06-2009, 06:04 PM
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My ballot:
Bolden Conlan Dunn Durocher B. Harris MacPhail McKechnie Posey Shoriki Southworth JGT Spink Stengel C I Taylor Weiss J L Wilkinson
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Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths. RIP Harry Kalas. Thanks for 38 great years, though I wish we could have had more. Last edited by jalbright; 11-08-2009 at 10:23 AM.
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#7
11-06-2009, 06:17 PM
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-- Offhand it seems to me that the three newcomers : Cum Posey : Matsutaro Shoriki : Casey Stengel should go to the head of the class with : Clark Griffith : John Ward : J.L. Wilkinson (three holdovers). I expect to vote for many others too. Bud Fowler and George Weiss are two newcomers who may be among them. Last edited by Paul Wendt; 11-06-2009 at 06:21 PM.
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#8
11-06-2009, 06:33 PM
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Cap Anson
Ed Bolden Frank Chance Jocko Conlan Charles Conlon Candy Cummings Leo Durocher Gus Greenlee Clark Griffith Cal Hubbard Hughie Jennings Ring Lardner Larry MacPhail Effa Manley Jorge Pasquel Cumberland Posey Alfred H. Spink Casey Stengel C.I. Taylor John Ward Sol White
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11-06-2009, 08:03 PM
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Is J.L. Wilkinson an oversight or do you have something against him for this modest honor?
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11-06-2009, 09:20 PM
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Cap Anson
Ed Bolden Happy Chandler Charles Conlon Candy Cummings Barney Dreyfuss Leo Durocher Bob Ferguson Bob Fowler Ford Frick Warren Giles Clark Griffith Bucky Harris Larry MacPhail Bill McKechnie Lefty O'Doul Cumberland Posey Harry Clay Pulliam Jacob Ruppert Billy Southworth Alfred Spink J. G. Taylor Spink Casey Stengel C.I. Taylor George Weiss J. L. Wilkinson Phillip Wrigley
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#12
11-07-2009, 06:28 AM
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J L Wilkinson--Negro League contributor ELECTED BBF HOF
From page 842 of Riley's Biographical Encyclopedia of the Negro Leagues Quote:
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11-07-2009, 07:11 AM
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Bolden
Dunn Posey JGT Spink Stengel C I Taylor J L Wilkinson
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11-07-2009, 09:02 AM
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Ballot:
Ed Bolden O.P. Caylor Jocko Conlan Candy Cummings Jack Dunn Leo Durocher Bob Ferguson Ford Frick Clark Griffith Charlie Grimm Bucky Harris Larry MacPhail Bill McKechnie Tim Murnane Lefty O'Doul Cumberland Posey Wilbert Robinson Jacob Ruppert Matsutaro Shoriki Billy Southworth J.G. Taylor Spink Casey Stengel C.I. Taylor John Ward Sol White J.L. Wilkinson Larry MacPhail, Cum Posey, Matsutaro Shoriki, and Bob Ferguson are the players on my short list. Larry MacPhail was recently elected in the neighboring best of baseball project. Why did he get such a strong showing there, but struggles to get on ballots here?
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#15
11-07-2009, 10:42 AM
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Larry Mac
Did Martha and the Vandellas sing about him?
The Best of Baseball isn't know for its debates, discussions, or prose contributions of any kind, but it does out-do the Progressive VC Contributors in that regard. Why not re-post here your(authored or copied?) list of MacPhail's accomplishments? Some may be slow to vote for MacPhail because of his active resistance to integration (he was elected one of the Best before I voted for him). Some may have missed him in the very long list of candidates and rather long list of new candidates(after all, some overlook candidates even in the "check everyone you support" polls). Last edited by Paul Wendt; 11-07-2009 at 07:39 PM.
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11-07-2009, 07:34 PM
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From the SABR Bioproject on Larry MacPhail, written by Ralph Berger: ELECTED BBF HOF
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#17
11-09-2009, 12:21 AM
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Frank Bancroft
Ed Bolden OP Caylor Happy Chandler Jocko Conlan Candy Cummings Barney Dreyfuss Billy Evans Warren Giles Cal Hubbard Fred Hutchinson Larry MacPhail Tommy McCarthy Jim Mutrie Lefty O’Doul Harry Clay Pulliam Alfred H. Spink J.G. Taylor Spink George Weiss Sol White
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11-09-2009, 07:51 AM
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Let's discuss some contributor cases. Here's the case for Casey Stengel:
Years Managed: 1934-1965 Managerial Record: 1,905-1,842 World Series Titles: 7 It seems easy to dismiss those numbers because he was a manager for a successful New York Yankees team and his slightly above .500 winning percentage, but we also elected Joe McCarthy in his first year of eligibility. Joe McCarthy Years Managed: 1926-1946, 1948-1950 Managerial Record: 2,125-1,333 World Series Titles: 7 The bulk of Joe's career was in New York, but I think his candidacy was helped by the fact that he was manager of a pennant winning team in the National League (1929 Chicago Cubs) and his overall winning percentage. Let's look at some of the other managerial holdovers on the ballot. Bill McKechnie Years Managed: 1915, 1922-1946 Managerial Record 1,896-1,723 World Series Titles: 2 His two World Series titles come from the 1925 Pittsburgh Pirates and 1940 Cincinnati Reds. He was also manager of the NL champion 1928 St. Louis Cardinals and 1939 Cincinnati Reds. When he retired, his managerial wins were only second to John McGraw. Billy Southworth Years Managed: 1929, 1940-1951 Managerial Record: 1,044-704 World Series Titles: 2 Southworth was manager during one of the most successful periods in St. Louis Cardinals history. He managed the Cardinals to three straight World Series appearances (1942-1944) and the 1948 pennant winning Boston Braves. The Cardinals won two World Series titles during his run as manager. The low managerial win total, however, doesn't help his case. Lefty O'Doul is not a holdover, but he is an interesting case. He was instrumental in spreading baseball's popularity in Japan (the Yomiuri Giants were named for him) and he was one of the most successful managers in the Pacific Coast League. Lefty O'Doul Years Managed: 1935-1957 Minor League Managerial Record: 2,094-1,970 PCL Titles: 5 I feel that I may as well talk about Charlie Grimm while I'm here. Grimm is an interesting case, though I don't feel it's necessarily a Hall of Fame case. Charlie Grimm Years Managed: 1932-1938, 1944-1949, 1952-1956, 1960 Managerial Record: 1,287-1,067 NL Pennants: 4 Grimm never won a World Series title as a player or a manager, but no one who spent a lot of time with the Cubs since 1908 could say that without lying. He was a good player and a decent manager. If anything, the Cubs had the back luck of colliding with Yankee juggernauts twice during his managerial career and two losses to the Detroit Tigers in the World Series did not help him. It also doesn't help his case that the year after he was fired from the Milwaukee Braves job, the Braves won the World Series. Grimm's lone championship came from the 1951 Milwaukee Brewers of the American Association when they defeated the Montreal Royals in the Junior World Series. O'Doul has a stronger Hall of Fame case than Grimm based on the combination of major league playing, minor league managerial success and the fact that O'Doul was baseball's goodwill ambassador to Japan. As far as the pioneers go, I feel Bud Fowler has a good case. I whiffed when I forgot to include him on my VC ballot for the Negro League players elections, but Fowler shouldn't be excluded. He was the first professional black ballplayer and he was also a playing manager. I encourage people to examine his case more closely.
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11-13-2009, 11:08 AM
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vote for 20
Here a Bancroft, there a Bancroft, everywhere a Bancroft Bancroft.
Frank Bancroft Ed Bolden Charles Conlon Candy Cummings Jack Dunn Bob Ferguson Bud Fowler Clark Griffith Larry MacPhail Bill McKechnie Tim Murnane Cum Posey Matsutaro Shoriki Billy Southworth J.G.Taylor Spink Casey Stengel C.I. Taylor John Ward Sol White J.L. Wilkinson Others in consideration set: O.P. Caylor Barney Dreyfuss Billy Evans Ford Frick Gus Greenlee Lefty O'Doul Jack Ruppert Ben Shibe [dropped from master list] Al Spink George Weiss Why Ring Lardner? Why Grantland Rice? Last edited by Paul Wendt; 11-13-2009 at 11:15 AM.
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11-13-2009, 12:11 PM
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Thanks for voting to those who participated. This side of the election is closed along with the regular ballot. Since we only received 10 votes, I will be weighting the vote as 75%. I'll tally the results soon.
Final Results (10 Votes Cast, 8 Required for Election) t1) Ed Bolden: 8 Votes (80.00%) - Elected t1) J.G. Taylor Spink: 8 Votes (80.00%) - Elected t1) Casey Stengel: 8 Votes (80.00%) - Elected t4) Larry MacPhail: 7 Votes (70.00%) t4) Cumberland Posey: 7 Votes (70.00%) t4) C.I. Taylor: 7 Votes (70.00%) t7) Jocko Conlan: 6 Votes (60.00%) t7) Jack Dunn: 6 Votes (60.00%) t7) Clark Griffith: 6 Votes (60.00%) t7) Billy Southworth: 6 Votes (60.00%) t7) J.L. Wilkinson: 6 Votes (60.00%) t12) Candy Cummings: 5 Votes (50.00%) t12) Leo Durocher: 5 Votes (50.00%) t12) Bob Ferguson: 5 Votes (50.00%) t12) Lefty O'Doul: 5 Votes (50.00%) t16) Bucky Harris: 4 Votes (40.00%) t16) Bill McKechnie: 4 Votes (40.00%) t16) Matsutaro Shoriki: 4 Votes (40.00%) t16) Alfred Spink: 4 Votes (40.00%) t16) John Ward: 4 Votes (40.00%) t16) Sol White: 4 Votes (40.00%) t22) O.P. Caylor: 3 Votes (30.00%) t22) Charles Conlon: 3 Votes (30.00%) t22) Tommy McCarthy: 3 Votes (30.00%) t22) Tim Murnane: 3 Votes (30.00%) t22) Jacob Ruppert: 3 Votes (30.00%) t22) George Weiss: 3 Votes (30.00%) t28) Cap Anson: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Happy Chandler: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Bud Fowler: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Ford Frick: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Warren Giles: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Cal Hubbard: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Ring Lardner: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Harry Clay Pulliam: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Wilbert Robinson: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Chris von der Ahe: 2 Votes (20.00%) t28) Philip Wrigley: 2 Votes (20.00%) t39) Morgan Bulkeley: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Frank Chance: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Fred Clarke: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Billy Evans: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Charlie Grimm: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Fred Hutchinson: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Hughie Jennings: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Effa Manley: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Jim Mutrie: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Jorge Pasquel: 1 Vote (10.00%) t39) Grantland Rice: 1 Vote (10.00%) Casey Stengel was elected in his first appearance on the ballot. Longtime holdovers J. G. Taylor Spink and Ed Bolden were also elected.
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