Time seems right to get this going. First the rules and format:
Members and Format: The Veterans Committee is made up of 12 members (we may expand later) who will meet every 5 years to deliberate and then vote to elect players, pioneers, and contributors to the Hall of Fame. There will be separate ballots for each category. The 12 current members are: ag2004, blueblood, classic, dgarza, doublex, freakshow, jalbright, jjpm74, leecemark, paul wendt, philkid3, and windycityfan. Anyone is free to participate in the discussions, but only these 12 members will vote.
Players Voting: The voting for players will be in two stages, with a yes or no vote at each stagee. First members will vote on a master list, with to determined number of players with the most support making the final ballot. To be elected a player on the final ballot must receive at least 75% support from the VC. There is no limit or cap on how many candidates can be elected.
- Pioneer and Contributor Voting: Given that the pool of candidates will typically be smaller for pioneer and contributors than for players, we will just have one final vote.
Player Eligibility: All players that have had at least 15 years elapse from their first year of eligibility in the regular election will be eligible in the veterans election. Even if a player was dropped from the regular election ballot before 15 years elapsed, he must still wait for remaining of the 15 years to pass.
- Additional Contributor Eligibility: If a player was elected in the regular elections, he may still be eligibility to be inducted as a contributor by the VC (Al Spalding being an example of this).
The only thing left to decide in my mind is how many to put on the final ballots. I'm thinking as time goes by, the final players ballot could become larger due to the growing pool of players.
With that out of the way, with a simple discussion putting together a master ballot. For players, generally, I'll go back through the regular elections and add anyone here that lasted at least one election there (I might become more discerning later as the pool grows). Just to be clear how this will proceed, we'll put together a large list, then vote on who on that list should make the final ballot. At this stage we're not necessarily voting on who should be elected, just voting on who deserves that final consideration. The top vote-getters will then go on a final ballot (I'm thinking 15-20 for the players right now), and we'll then vote for election, 75% electing.
So this is my preliminary list of players:
Oyster Burns
Charlie Comiskey
Larry Corcoran
Frank Dwyer
Bob Ferguson
Mike Griffin
Ned Hanlon
Charley Jones
Denny Lyons
Bobby Matthews
Tommy McCarthy
Jim McCormick
Ed McKean
Cal McVey
Levi Meyerle
Tip O'Neill
Dave Orr
Lip Pike
Hardy Richardson
Mike Tiernan (assuming he's not elected in 1918, his last year of regular election eligibility)
Joe Start
Ezra Sutton
Will White
Mickey Welch
Feel free to suggest additions. Also, it is fair now to consider pre-1871 playing for any of these players.
Here's the tentative pioneer list as composed by JJPM. People on this ballot played almost entirely before the 1870s and because of the rapidly evolving game of the late 19th Century, I feel it is more appropriate to put them on a separate ballot.
Asa Brainard
Bill Craver
Jim Creighton
Candy Cummings
Cherokee Fisher
Davy Force
George Hall
Andy Leonard
Fergy Malone
Dick McBride
Dickey Pearce
Al Reach
Harry Wright
George Zettlein
Here's a contributors ballot, also put together by JJPM (I added Spalding):
Ferdinand Abell
Doc Adams
John T. Brush
Morgan Bulkeley
Alexander Cartwright
Henry Chadwick
Charlie Comiskey
Bob Ferguson
Ned Hanlon
William Hulbert
Ban Johnson
Denny McKnight
A.G. Mills
Frank Selee
Al Spalding
Harry M. Stevens
Chris Von der Ahe
James Whyte Davis
Harry Wright
Again, members, please feel free to add to these lists.
Members and Format: The Veterans Committee is made up of 12 members (we may expand later) who will meet every 5 years to deliberate and then vote to elect players, pioneers, and contributors to the Hall of Fame. There will be separate ballots for each category. The 12 current members are: ag2004, blueblood, classic, dgarza, doublex, freakshow, jalbright, jjpm74, leecemark, paul wendt, philkid3, and windycityfan. Anyone is free to participate in the discussions, but only these 12 members will vote.
Players Voting: The voting for players will be in two stages, with a yes or no vote at each stagee. First members will vote on a master list, with to determined number of players with the most support making the final ballot. To be elected a player on the final ballot must receive at least 75% support from the VC. There is no limit or cap on how many candidates can be elected.
- Pioneer and Contributor Voting: Given that the pool of candidates will typically be smaller for pioneer and contributors than for players, we will just have one final vote.
Player Eligibility: All players that have had at least 15 years elapse from their first year of eligibility in the regular election will be eligible in the veterans election. Even if a player was dropped from the regular election ballot before 15 years elapsed, he must still wait for remaining of the 15 years to pass.
- Additional Contributor Eligibility: If a player was elected in the regular elections, he may still be eligibility to be inducted as a contributor by the VC (Al Spalding being an example of this).
The only thing left to decide in my mind is how many to put on the final ballots. I'm thinking as time goes by, the final players ballot could become larger due to the growing pool of players.
With that out of the way, with a simple discussion putting together a master ballot. For players, generally, I'll go back through the regular elections and add anyone here that lasted at least one election there (I might become more discerning later as the pool grows). Just to be clear how this will proceed, we'll put together a large list, then vote on who on that list should make the final ballot. At this stage we're not necessarily voting on who should be elected, just voting on who deserves that final consideration. The top vote-getters will then go on a final ballot (I'm thinking 15-20 for the players right now), and we'll then vote for election, 75% electing.
So this is my preliminary list of players:
Oyster Burns
Charlie Comiskey
Larry Corcoran
Frank Dwyer
Bob Ferguson
Mike Griffin
Ned Hanlon
Charley Jones
Denny Lyons
Bobby Matthews
Tommy McCarthy
Jim McCormick
Ed McKean
Cal McVey
Levi Meyerle
Tip O'Neill
Dave Orr
Lip Pike
Hardy Richardson
Mike Tiernan (assuming he's not elected in 1918, his last year of regular election eligibility)
Joe Start
Ezra Sutton
Will White
Mickey Welch
Feel free to suggest additions. Also, it is fair now to consider pre-1871 playing for any of these players.
Here's the tentative pioneer list as composed by JJPM. People on this ballot played almost entirely before the 1870s and because of the rapidly evolving game of the late 19th Century, I feel it is more appropriate to put them on a separate ballot.
Asa Brainard
Bill Craver
Jim Creighton
Candy Cummings
Cherokee Fisher
Davy Force
George Hall
Andy Leonard
Fergy Malone
Dick McBride
Dickey Pearce
Al Reach
Harry Wright
George Zettlein
Here's a contributors ballot, also put together by JJPM (I added Spalding):
Ferdinand Abell
Doc Adams
John T. Brush
Morgan Bulkeley
Alexander Cartwright
Henry Chadwick
Charlie Comiskey
Bob Ferguson
Ned Hanlon
William Hulbert
Ban Johnson
Denny McKnight
A.G. Mills
Frank Selee
Al Spalding
Harry M. Stevens
Chris Von der Ahe
James Whyte Davis
Harry Wright
Again, members, please feel free to add to these lists.
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