Rolen, who should be an interesting HOF candidate in coming years played in 2,038 MLB Games and he played 3B in 2,023 of them. He never played another defensive position in he majors. His 2,077 Hits and 316 home runs add to his case for HOF enshrinement one day.

Even more impressive is Derek Jeter, who never played any other position but shortstop While DHing and pinch hitting in about 70 games over his 20 year career, he played 2,674 games at shortstop, his only career defensive position. He ranks # 2 in games played at Shortstop behind only Omar Vizquel (Vizquel tops him by 35 games at SS.). Jeter is

#6 in career hits (3,465H.), with 260 HR and a .310 batting average, it's easy to see why he had over 99 3/4 % of the HOF vote.

Omar Vizquel, with a record 2,709 games at Shortstop, still had time in his 24 year MLB career to play 232 games in positions other than Shortstop. He played 150 games at Third baseman, 77 games at 2B, 1 at 1B, and 2 games in the outfield.

Jimmy Rollins brings us back to a near one position player throughout a long career. In his 17 years in the majors, the Phillies star only played one position other than at Shortstop in one game. One game at second baseman "blemishes" his record of playing all of his other 2,227 games as a Shortstop. He will arrive on the HOF ballot in 2022.

Adrian Beltre had a chance to become the all-time leader in games played at third baseman, but he retired at age 39, after 21 major league seasons (1998-2018) having overtaken every other player in games Played at Third Baseman, except one, the great Brooks Robinson. With 3,166 Hits and 475 home runs we are talking about a player who along with Ichiro Suzuki are the only likely first ballot hall Of Fame electees in the near future. (Beltre in 2024 and Ichiro in 2025). Beltre finished his career with 2,759 games at 3B. 7 games at Shortstop and 1 game at 2B, represent the only deviation in his record as a career third baseman.

Brooks Robinson was an easy choice for the HOF in 1983, his firs year of eligibility. while contributing 268 home runs and over 2,850 base hits to the cause of his beloved, Baltimore Orioles, Robinson played 2,870 games at third baseman,. earning the nickname "The Human Vacuum Cleaner" and establishing a reputation for making near-impossible plays rather routinely. He played 23 years all as a Baltimore Oriole (1955-1977), which is the longevity record for a player playing his entire career with only one major leagues team.

Mike Schmidt was nearly the defensive third baseman that Brooks Robinson was and he was also a one-team player, spending 18 years with the Philadelphia Phillies before retiring at age 39 early in the 1989 season, after damaging opposition pithcing to the tune of nearly 550 home runs and several NL home run titles. . Schmidt was nearly a one-position player, except that the team tried to teach him how to play first baseman in 1985 and 1986, in a move that they thought would extend his career and give a prospect the chance to play third. The experiment lasted about a season and a half and then Schmidt was returned to his natural third base position. The slugger, who set the franchise record for most games as a Phillie (2,404 and Jimmy Rollins 2,090 games as a Phillie are the only players in franchise history to play 2,000 games in Phillies Red, although they do have some impressive longevity among their pitchers in starters Robin Roberts, Steve Carlton and Curt Simmons and relievers Tug McGraw, Ron Reed and Ryan Madson.

Schmidt's final totals were 2,212 games at 3B, 157 games at 1B, 24 games at SS and 6 games at 2B.

I should have mentioned earlier, that the man who Omar Vizquel toppled as the games at Shortstop record holder was one of those rare players who played all their MLB games at one position. Luis Aparicio played 2,581 defensive games at Shortstop, his only major league position. Besides being one of the smoothest fielding shortstops ever, Aparicio was a terror on the basepaths, winning the American Stolen Base championship nine consecutive times, stealing 506 bags in his career. From 1964 to 1967 the Baltimore Orioles had a manager's dream left side of the infield as Aparicio joined Brooks Robinson for four seasons - a combination which helped produce a near- A.L.title in 1964 and finally a World's Championship in 1966.

When you talk about players who are in the Baseball Hall Of Fame largely for their defensive prowess, you can't avoid talking about The Pittsburgh Pirates' Bill Mazeroski. A 17 year major leaguer with Pittsburgh (1956-1972), Mazeroski was a 2001 Veterans Committee electee to the Hall Of Fame. His numbers of Assists, Double Plays and Put Outs are in the Top 5 for a second baseman. He played a mere 10 games away from second as a third baseman, and all of his other 2,094 games were at 2B. Mazeroski never hit 20 home runs in a season and only topped 15 home runs twice and he never hit higher than .283 in any year throughout his career. His election to the HOF may have been most fielding-oriented selection in nearly a half-century, since Rabbit Maranville's election in 1954.

While I'm on the subject of middle-infielders I should report that HOFer, Luke Appling who played about 25% of his career after World War Two and 75% of his career before or during the war played 94% of his defensive games at Shortstop while he was one of the few bright spots along with Burleigh Grimes and Ted Lyons on the Chicago White Sox between 1930 and 1950. Appling had about 2,750 hits and hit .310 and was an easy choice for the Hall Of Fame.

Another player who started his career before the war, but played a majority of it after was the good hitting and sweet fielding first sacker, Mickey Vernon. Vernon won two batting titles, had four .300 seasons and hit .286 lifetime. The fact that he hit only 172 home runs and had a career high of only 20 home runs, may be why is is still not in the Hall Of Fame. He did drive in 1,311 runs, which puts him in the HOF conversation. Aside from four games he played in the outfield, Vernon played his entire career at 1B. (2,237 - 1B, 4-OF = 99.8% of all defensive games being played at 1B. Vernon was known as a first baseman who played the bunt well and could also handle the hard line drive or one-hopper. He had a good throwing arm and started many double plays. Although Eddie Murray challenged Mickey's record, he was not able to overtake him and as a result, Mickey Vernon still holds the record for defensive double plays participated in by a first baseman. Murray fell 11 DPs short. Vernon is also in the top 5 of other defensive records for first basemen in a number of categories..

Vernon also lost two prime seasons, 1944 & 1945 to World War Two military service, playing in the majors 20 years in a 22 year span and he is recognized by the major leagues as a Four Decade player (1939 to 1960)..

Finally that brings us to Eddie Murray. Murray is one of the few players who have played in over 3,000 major league games. His 3,026 MLB games total even tops his long-time teammate Cal Ripken's total of 3,001 MLB games. it's true that Murray DH'd for 573 games, extending his career longevity, but as far as actually playing a defensive position, Murray is overa 99% pure third baseman. He played first baseman in 2,413 games which is 99.6% of all his defensive position games. He played only 9 games at other positions (6 at third base, and 3 as a left fielder). Murray was a first ballot hall of famer based on both his offensive and defensive production. He is in rarified company with 1,917 Runs Batted In and he made the 500 homer club with 504 round trippers. He never hit more than 33 home runs in any season, but he was one of the most consistent power hitters around with 12 seasons of at least 25 home runs and 16 seasons with at least 20 home runs. He also had six 100 RBI seasons.

Cal Ripken Jr. would have been a one-position-player at Shortstop, if Baltimore Orioles' management hadn't decided to shift him to third baseman for his last five seasons. He had 13 consecutive seasons of playing only Shortstop, before the Orioles made the switch. Ripken finished his career with 3,001 games, 2,302 games at SS, 675 games at third baseman and 24 games as a designated hitter to go along with 3,184 hits and 431 home runs over 21 seasons, 1981 to 2001.]]>

3. Ty Cobb

4. Barry Bonds

5. Honus Wagner

6. Ted Williams

7. Hank Aaron

8. Stan Musial

9. Rogers Hornsby

10. Tris Speaker

11. Lou Gehrig

12. Mickey Mantle

13. Alex Rodriguez

14. Joe DiMaggio

15. Mike Schmidt

16. Albert Pujols

17. Eddie Collins

18. Frank Robinson

19. Rickey Henderson

20. Oscar Charleston

21. Jimmie Foxx

22. Mel Ott

23. Nap Lajoie

24. Eddie Mathews

25. Johnny Bench

26. Joe Morgan

27. Josh Gibson

28. Ken Griffey Jr.

29. Mike Piazza

30. Jackie Robinson

31. George Brett

32. Roberto Clemente

33. Cal Ripken Jr.

34. Cap Anson

35. Mike Trout

36. Carl Yastrzemski

37. Al Kaline

38. Dan Brouthers

39. Yogi Berra

40. Charlie Gehringer

41. Jeff Bagwell

42. Chipper Jones

43. Johnny Mize

44. Pop Lloyd

45. Arky Vaughan

46. Wade Boggs

47. Ed Delahanty

48. Gary Carter

49. Reggie Jackson

50. Adrian Beltre

51. Roger Connor

52. Rod Carew

53. Luke Appling

54. Pete Rose

55. Hank Greenberg

56. George Davis

57. Shoeless Joe Jackson

58. Sam Crawford

59. Carlton Fisk

60. Duke Snider

61. Frank Thomas

62. Frankie Frisch

63. Robin Yount

64. Bill Dickey

65. Larry Walker

66. Al Simmons

67. Pee Wee Reese

68. Paul Waner

69. Harry Heilmann

70. Roy Campanella

71. Fred Clarke

72. Derek Jeter

73. Billy Hamilton

74. Miguel Cabrera

75. Ernie Banks

76. Barry Larkin

77. Jim Thome

78. Bill Dahlen

79. Mickey Cochrane

80. Willie Wells

81. Joe Gordon

82. Willie McCovey

83. Tony Gwynn

84. Gabby Hartnett

85. Manny Ramirez

86. Carlos Beltran

87. Buck Ewing

88. Brooks Robinson

89. Bobby Grich

90. Vlad Guerrero

91. Harmon Killebrew

92. Eddie Murray

93. Ivan Rodriguez

94. Scott Rolen

95. Goose Goslin

96. Mark McGwire

97. Martin Dihigo

98. Ozzie Smith

99. Tim Raines

100. Roberto Alomar

102. Alan Trammell-24

103. Willie Stargell - 18

104. Paul Molitor - 15

105. Frank Baker - 13

Others:

Lou Boudreau - 6

Lou Whitaker - 12

Gary Sheffield - 9

David Ortiz - 9

Sammy Sosa - 8

Rafael Palmeiro - 3

Joe Cronin - 6

Edgar Martinez - 10

Reggie Smith - 2

Jack Glasscock - 5

Jim Edmonds - 8

Richie Ashburn - 10

Dave Winfield - 3

Zack Wheat - 2

Chuck Klein - 4

Earl Averill - 3

Albert Belle - 2

Bill Terry - 1

Joey Votto - 4

Ron Santo - 3

Craig Biggio - 4

Robinson Cano - 5

Dick Allen - 2

Biz Mackey - 4

Ichiro Suzuki - 3

Homerun Johnson - 2

George Sisler - 1

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Lou Boudreau

Lou Whitaker

Turkey Stearns

Bobby Wallace

Edgar Martinez]]>

Suppose Steinbrenner and Paul have an argument just before and, given his impulsive nature in our timeline, Steinbrenner thumbs his nose at his general manager and includes Guidry.

A look at baseball reference.com shows that Guidry had a very good 1983 also oh, the year Hoyt won the Cy Young award, so it was a draw that year and 1982, but otherwise the Yankees are several wins worse every year, maybe only a couple wins worse in 1985.

This means no pennant in 1978 for sure, with Guidry probably winning 21 or 22 for an otherwise bad White Sox team and the Cy Young like Randy Jones had done in 1976 for the Padres. Even if they keep Dock Ellis I can't see them doing quite as well, and they wouldn't have Mike Torrez who they acquired for Ellis, so when Gullett goes down if not before the Yankees are done. Even if they do trade Ellis for Mike Torrez.

Then what? Probably Steinbrenner fires Billy Martin and makes a few trades that wind up badly in 1978, and then? Would he just blow the whole thing up? Rush Hoyt to the Major Leagues and expect him to start because he wants to prove that he was right about trading Guidry because he had just as good a pitcher in the minors?

If things go roughly the same - hopefully they trade Thurm Munson to the Indians so he doesn't have to be flying and died in a crash - they might win the first half in 1981 with voice instead of Guidry, so they might lose the World Series to the Dodgers, but they may end up with no World Series titles in the 70's or 80's. Of course, Steinbrenner might go over the edge firing people long before the end of the '80s.

It's also possible that, lacking a lefty, Dave Righetti is kept as a starter.]]>

Topps Baseball cards are available for both players, even for Margoneri, who played in only 36 major league games, over less than a year and a half in the major leagues.]]>

After going on Youtube and finding as many complete games with commercials in normal speed, I have calculated that the average 9 inning game in 2019 had about 49 minutes of commercials between "Play Ball" and the final out. Since there are 17 or 18 ends of half-innings in a 9-inning game, that comes to almost 3 minutes of commercials (and station promos) between the action.

In the 1950's, there was a 1-minute break between half-innings. By the time the one minute break ended, the batter was in the batter's box to start the next frame. That means in the 1950's, the average game was about 30 minutes shorter just on commercial breaks.

If the Major League games went back to 60-second breaks between half-innings, and then started the next frame without delay, that 30 minutes saved will be much more time saved than forbidding a left-handed reliever to come in and pitch to one left-handed batter.

It will never happen, because that's too much money, but at some point, enough fans are going to become former fans. With so many strikeouts and much less action already taking place in these marathons, the game is already much too boring for a large percentage of younger sports fans.

There are many older baseball games available on Youtube. Try this experiment. Split your screen and put an old game and recent game in separate windows. Look at the difference in action. The old games have so much more entertainment value. Today's home run marathons make homers nothing special. The ballparks have been made to turn former routine fly ball outs into cheap homers. When parks had 440 foot death valleys, and a couple had foul lines deeper than most of today's power alleys, hitting one out of the park was something to watch. But all those other batters that hit liners into gaps and started running, and with the fielders chasing after the balls and hitting cut-off men, that was entertainment.

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3. Ty Cobb

4. Barry Bonds

5. Honus Wagner

6. Ted Williams

7. Hank Aaron

8. Stan Musial

9. Rogers Hornsby

10. Tris Speaker

11. Lou Gehrig

12. Mickey Mantle

13. Alex Rodriguez

14. Joe DiMaggio

15. Mike Schmidt

16. Albert Pujols

17. Eddie Collins

18. Frank Robinson

19. Rickey Henderson

20. Oscar Charleston

21. Jimmie Foxx

22. Mel Ott

23. Nap Lajoie

24. Eddie Mathews

25. Johnny Bench

26. Joe Morgan

27. Josh Gibson

28. Ken Griffey Jr.

29. Mike Piazza

30. Jackie Robinson

31. George Brett

32. Roberto Clemente

33. Cal Ripken Jr.

34. Cap Anson

35. Mike Trout

36. Carl Yastrzemski

37. Al Kaline

38. Dan Brouthers

39. Yogi Berra

40. Charlie Gehringer

41. Jeff Bagwell

42. Chipper Jones

43. Johnny Mize

44. Pop Lloyd

45. Arky Vaughan

46. Wade Boggs

47. Ed Delahanty

48. Gary Carter

49. Reggie Jackson

50. Adrian Beltre

51. Roger Connor

52. Rod Carew

53. Luke Appling

54. Pete Rose

55. Hank Greenberg

56. George Davis

57. Shoeless Joe Jackson

58. Sam Crawford

59. Carlton Fisk

60. Duke Snider

61. Frank Thomas

62. Frankie Frisch

63. Robin Yount

64. Bill Dickey

65. Larry Walker

66. Al Simmons

67. Pee Wee Reese

68. Paul Waner

69. Harry Heilmann

70. Roy Campanella

71. Fred Clarke

72. Derek Jeter

73. Billy Hamilton

74. Miguel Cabrera

75. Ernie Banks

76. Barry Larkin

77. Jim Thome

78. Bill Dahlen

79. Mickey Cochrane

80. Willie Wells

81. Joe Gordon

82. Willie McCovey

83. Tony Gwynn

84. Gabby Hartnett

85. Manny Ramirez

86. Carlos Beltran

87. Buck Ewing

88. Brooks Robinson

89. Bobby Grich

90. Vlad Guerrero

91. Harmon Killebrew

92. Eddie Murray

93. Ivan Rodriguez

94. Scott Rolen

95. Goose Goslin

97. Martin Dihigo - 21

98. Ozzie Smith - 19

99. Tim Raines - 18

100. Roberto Alomar - 18

Alan Trammell -12

Lou Boudreau - 2

Lou Whitaker - 9

Tim Raines - 18

Edgar Martinez - 1

Joe Cronin - 15

Home Run Baker - 8

Ryne Sandberg - 14

Craig Biggio - 1

Greg Sheffield - 8

David Ortiz - 5

Rafael Palmiero - 2

Sammy Sosa - 1

Chuck Klein - 5

Earl Averill - 4

Albert Belle - 3

Bill Terry - 1

Ron Santo - 8

Paul Molitor - 17

Andruw Jones - 6

Richie Ashburn - 7

Jack Glasscock - 4

Jim Edmonds - 7

Joey Votto - 1

Robinson Cano - 3

Biz Mackey - 4

Willie Stargell - 7

Dave Winfield - 9

Zack Wheat - 2

Lou Boudreau - 3

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Alan Trammell

Lou Boudreau

Lou Whitaker

Ryne Sandberg

Paul Molitor

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It got me thinking about who might be considered the best manager never to win a pennant. I've read that Paul Richards is generally considered to hold that title, as he turned around two franchises, but he also has his critics, such as Bill James. There are others who have good arguments as well, so I got the data on every manager who managed 1000 major league games without winning a pennant and took a look.<br><br><br>

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<thead><tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>Mgr</th><th>Yrs</th><th>From</th><th>To</th><th>W</th><th>L</th><th>W-L%</th><th>Ties</th><th>G>.500</th><th>G</th><th>Wpost</th><th>Lpost</th><th>W-L%post</th><th>BestFin</th><th>WrstFin</th><th>AvRk</th><th>Plyof App</th></tr></thead><tbody>

<tr><td>Gene Mauch</td><td>26</td><td>1960</td><td>1987</td><td>1902</td><td>2037</td><td>.483</td><td>3</td><td>-135</td><td>3942</td><td>5</td><td>7</td><td>.417</td><td>1</td><td>8</td><td>4.6</td><td>2</td></tr>

<tr><td>Buck Showalter</td><td>20</td><td>1992</td><td>2018</td><td>1551</td><td>1517</td><td>.506</td><td>1</td><td>34</td><td>3069</td><td>9</td><td>14</td><td>.391</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>3.1</td><td>5</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jimmy Dykes</td><td>21</td><td>1934</td><td>1961</td><td>1406</td><td>1541</td><td>.477</td><td>15</td><td>-135</td><td>2962</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>8</td><td>5.1</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Bill Rigney</td><td>18</td><td>1956</td><td>1976</td><td>1239</td><td>1321</td><td>.484</td><td>1</td><td>-82</td><td>2561</td><td>0</td><td>3</td><td>.000</td><td>1</td><td>9</td><td>5.2</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Ron Gardenhire</td><td>15</td><td>2002</td><td>2019</td><td>1179</td><td>1251</td><td>.485</td><td>0</td><td>-72</td><td>2430</td><td>6</td><td>21</td><td>.222</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>2.7</td><td>6</td></tr>

<tr><td>Bob Melvin</td><td>16</td><td>2003</td><td>2019</td><td>1224</td><td>1172</td><td>.511</td><td>0</td><td>52</td><td>2396</td><td>7</td><td>13</td><td>.350</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>2.7</td><td>6</td></tr>

<tr><td>Art Howe</td><td>14</td><td>1989</td><td>2004</td><td>1129</td><td>1137</td><td>.498</td><td>0</td><td>-8</td><td>2266</td><td>6</td><td>9</td><td>.400</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>3.4</td><td>3</td></tr>

<tr><td>Frank Robinson HOF</td><td>16</td><td>1975</td><td>2006</td><td>1065</td><td>1176</td><td>.475</td><td>0</td><td>-111</td><td>2241</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>7</td><td>4.4</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Felipe Alou</td><td>14</td><td>1992</td><td>2006</td><td>1033</td><td>1021</td><td>.503</td><td>1</td><td>12</td><td>2055</td><td>1</td><td>3</td><td>.250</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>2.9</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Bill Virdon</td><td>13</td><td>1972</td><td>1984</td><td>995</td><td>921</td><td>.519</td><td>2</td><td>74</td><td>1918</td><td>6</td><td>9</td><td>.400</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>2.9</td><td>3</td></tr>

<tr><td>Bud Black</td><td>12</td><td>2007</td><td>2019</td><td>898</td><td>951</td><td>.486</td><td>0</td><td>-53</td><td>1849</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>.200</td><td>2</td><td>5</td><td>3.4</td><td>2</td></tr>

<tr><td>Paul Richards</td><td>12</td><td>1951</td><td>1976</td><td>923</td><td>901</td><td>.506</td><td>13</td><td>22</td><td>1837</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>7</td><td>4.5</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Don Zimmer</td><td>13</td><td>1972</td><td>1991</td><td>885</td><td>858</td><td>.508</td><td>1</td><td>27</td><td>1744</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>.200</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>3.8</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jim Tracy</td><td>11</td><td>2001</td><td>2012</td><td>856</td><td>880</td><td>.493</td><td>0</td><td>-24</td><td>1736</td><td>2</td><td>6</td><td>.250</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>3.5</td><td>2</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jimy Williams</td><td>12</td><td>1986</td><td>2004</td><td>910</td><td>790</td><td>.535</td><td>1</td><td>120</td><td>1701</td><td>5</td><td>9</td><td>.357</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>2.6</td><td>2</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jimmy McAleer</td><td>11</td><td>1901</td><td>1911</td><td>735</td><td>889</td><td>.453</td><td>34</td><td>-154</td><td>1658</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>8</td><td>5.9</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jim Riggleman</td><td>13</td><td>1992</td><td>2018</td><td>726</td><td>904</td><td>.445</td><td>0</td><td>-178</td><td>1630</td><td>0</td><td>3</td><td>.000</td><td>2</td><td>7</td><td>4.5</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Eric Wedge</td><td>10</td><td>2003</td><td>2013</td><td>774</td><td>846</td><td>.478</td><td>0</td><td>-72</td><td>1620</td><td>6</td><td>5</td><td>.545</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>3.3</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Patsy Donovan</td><td>11</td><td>1897</td><td>1911</td><td>684</td><td>879</td><td>.438</td><td>34</td><td>-195</td><td>1597</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td>6</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>John Gibbons</td><td>11</td><td>2004</td><td>2018</td><td>793</td><td>789</td><td>.501</td><td>0</td><td>4</td><td>1582</td><td>10</td><td>10</td><td>.500</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>3.2</td><td>2</td></tr>

<tr><td>Buck Rodgers</td><td>13</td><td>1980</td><td>1994</td><td>784</td><td>774</td><td>.503</td><td>1</td><td>10</td><td>1559</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>.400</td><td>1</td><td>7</td><td>3.6</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Johnny Oates</td><td>11</td><td>1991</td><td>2001</td><td>797</td><td>746</td><td>.517</td><td>1</td><td>51</td><td>1544</td><td>1</td><td>9</td><td>.100</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>2.7</td><td>3</td></tr>

<tr><td>Lee Fohl</td><td>11</td><td>1915</td><td>1926</td><td>713</td><td>792</td><td>.474</td><td>16</td><td>-79</td><td>1521</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>8</td><td>5</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Billy Barnie</td><td>14</td><td>1883</td><td>1898</td><td>632</td><td>810</td><td>.438</td><td>35</td><td>-178</td><td>1477</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>12</td><td>7</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Don Mattingly</td><td>9</td><td>2011</td><td>2019</td><td>722</td><td>733</td><td>.496</td><td>0</td><td>-11</td><td>1455</td><td>8</td><td>11</td><td>.421</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>2.6</td><td>3</td></tr>

<tr><td>Birdie Tebbetts</td><td>11</td><td>1954</td><td>1966</td><td>748</td><td>705</td><td>.515</td><td>2</td><td>43</td><td>1455</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>6</td><td>4.8</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Dave Bristol</td><td>11</td><td>1966</td><td>1980</td><td>657</td><td>764</td><td>.462</td><td>3</td><td>-107</td><td>1424</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>7</td><td>4.9</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Fredi Gonzalez</td><td>10</td><td>2007</td><td>2016</td><td>710</td><td>692</td><td>.506</td><td>0</td><td>18</td><td>1402</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>.200</td><td>1</td><td>5</td><td>2.8</td><td>2</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jerry Manuel</td><td>9</td><td>1998</td><td>2010</td><td>704</td><td>684</td><td>.507</td><td>2</td><td>20</td><td>1390</td><td>0</td><td>3</td><td>.000</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>2.5</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Gus Schmelz</td><td>11</td><td>1884</td><td>1897</td><td>624</td><td>703</td><td>.470</td><td>30</td><td>-79</td><td>1357</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>11</td><td>5.9</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jeff Torborg</td><td>11</td><td>1977</td><td>2003</td><td>634</td><td>718</td><td>.469</td><td>0</td><td>-84</td><td>1352</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>7</td><td>4.6</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Patsy Tebeau</td><td>11</td><td>1890</td><td>1900</td><td>726</td><td>583</td><td>.555</td><td>30</td><td>143</td><td>1339</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>1</td><td>7</td><td>4.1</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Don Baylor</td><td>9</td><td>1993</td><td>2002</td><td>627</td><td>689</td><td>.476</td><td>0</td><td>-62</td><td>1316</td><td>1</td><td>3</td><td>.250</td><td>2</td><td>6</td><td>3.9</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Branch Rickey HOF</td><td>10</td><td>1913</td><td>1925</td><td>597</td><td>664</td><td>.473</td><td>16</td><td>-67</td><td>1277</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>8</td><td>5</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Buddy Bell</td><td>9</td><td>1996</td><td>2007</td><td>519</td><td>724</td><td>.418</td><td>0</td><td>-205</td><td>1243</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>5</td><td>4.6</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jimmie Wilson</td><td>9</td><td>1934</td><td>1944</td><td>493</td><td>735</td><td>.401</td><td>9</td><td>-242</td><td>1237</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td>6.7</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Harry Walker</td><td>9</td><td>1955</td><td>1972</td><td>630</td><td>604</td><td>.511</td><td>1</td><td>26</td><td>1235</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>10</td><td>4.6</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Hugh Duffy HOF</td><td>8</td><td>1901</td><td>1922</td><td>535</td><td>671</td><td>.444</td><td>15</td><td>-136</td><td>1221</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td>5.8</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Pat Corrales</td><td>9</td><td>1978</td><td>1987</td><td>572</td><td>634</td><td>.474</td><td>5</td><td>-62</td><td>1211</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>1</td><td>7</td><td>4.6</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Danny Ozark</td><td>8</td><td>1973</td><td>1984</td><td>618</td><td>542</td><td>.533</td><td>1</td><td>76</td><td>1161</td><td>2</td><td>9</td><td>.182</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>2.7</td><td>3</td></tr>

<tr><td>Bill Killefer</td><td>9</td><td>1921</td><td>1933</td><td>524</td><td>622</td><td>.457</td><td>3</td><td>-98</td><td>1149</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td>5.7</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Herman Franks</td><td>7</td><td>1965</td><td>1979</td><td>605</td><td>521</td><td>.537</td><td>2</td><td>84</td><td>1128</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>5</td><td>2.8</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Pinky Higgins</td><td>8</td><td>1955</td><td>1962</td><td>560</td><td>556</td><td>.502</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>1119</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>8</td><td>5.1</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Gene Lamont</td><td>8</td><td>1992</td><td>2000</td><td>553</td><td>562</td><td>.496</td><td>1</td><td>-9</td><td>1116</td><td>2</td><td>4</td><td>.333</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>3.1</td><td>1</td></tr>

<tr><td>Lloyd McClendon</td><td>7</td><td>2001</td><td>2015</td><td>499</td><td>607</td><td>.451</td><td>0</td><td>-108</td><td>1106</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>6</td><td>4.5</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Jack Hendricks</td><td>7</td><td>1918</td><td>1929</td><td>520</td><td>528</td><td>.496</td><td>7</td><td>-8</td><td>1055</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>8</td><td>4.8</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Tom Loftus</td><td>9</td><td>1884</td><td>1903</td><td>454</td><td>580</td><td>.439</td><td>21</td><td>-126</td><td>1055</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td>6.1</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Al Buckenberger</td><td>9</td><td>1889</td><td>1904</td><td>488</td><td>539</td><td>.475</td><td>16</td><td>-51</td><td>1043</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>2</td><td>11</td><td>5.1</td><td>0</td></tr>

<tr><td>Mel Ott HOF</td><td>7</td><td>1942</td><td>1948</td><td>464</td><td>530</td><td>.467</td><td>10</td><td>-66</td><td>1004</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td>3</td><td>8</td><td>5.5</td><td>0</td></tr>

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Gene Mauch has the most games managed without a pennant, followed in the distance by Buck Showalter and Jimmy Dykes, while the leaders in winning percentage are Patsy Tebeau, Herman Franks, Jimy Williams, and Danny Ozark.<br><br>

And of course, several other guys on this list were/are highly respected baseball men, such as Johnny Oates, Bill Virdon, Birdie Tebbetts, Don Zimmer, Frank Robinson, Felipe Alou, and Ron Gardenhire.<br><br>

What say you? Who would you argue for? Would it even be someone who didn't make it to 1000 games managed?]]>

3. Ty Cobb

4. Barry Bonds

5. Honus Wagner

6. Ted Williams

7. Hank Aaron

8. Stan Musial

9. Rogers Hornsby

10. Tris Speaker

11. Lou Gehrig

12. Mickey Mantle

13. Alex Rodriguez

14. Joe DiMaggio

15. Mike Schmidt

16. Albert Pujols

17. Eddie Collins

18. Frank Robinson

19. Rickey Henderson

20. Oscar Charleston

21. Jimmie Foxx

22. Mel Ott

23. Nap Lajoie

24. Eddie Mathews

25. Johnny Bench

26. Joe Morgan

27. Josh Gibson

28. Ken Griffey Jr.

29. Mike Piazza

30. Jackie Robinson

31. George Brett

32. Roberto Clemente

33. Cal Ripken Jr.

34. Cap Anson

35. Mike Trout

36. Carl Yastrzemski

37. Al Kaline

38. Dan Brouthers

39. Yogi Berra

40. Charlie Gehringer

41. Jeff Bagwell

42. Chipper Jones

43. Johnny Mize

44. Pop Lloyd

45. Arky Vaughan

46. Wade Boggs

47. Ed Delahanty

48. Gary Carter

49. Reggie Jackson

50. Adrian Beltre

51. Roger Connor

52. Rod Carew

53. Luke Appling

54. Pete Rose

55. Hank Greenberg

56. George Davis

57. Shoeless Joe Jackson

58. Sam Crawford

59. Carlton Fisk

60. Duke Snider

61. Frank Thomas

62. Frankie Frisch

63. Robin Yount

64. Bill Dickey

65. Larry Walker

66. Al Simmons

67. Pee Wee Reese

68. Paul Waner

69. Harry Heilmann

70. Roy Campanella

71. Fred Clarke

72. Derek Jeter

73. Billy Hamilton

74. Miguel Cabrera

75. Ernie Banks

76. Barry Larkin

77. Jim Thome

78. Bill Dahlen

79. Mickey Cochrane

80. Willie Wells

81. Joe Gordon

82. Willie McCovey

83. Tony Gwynn

84. Gabby Hartnett

85. Manny Ramirez

86. Carlos Beltran

87. Buck Ewing

88. Brooks Robinson

89. Bobby Grich

90. Vlad Guerrero

92. Eddie Murray - 21

93. Ivan Rodriguez - 19

94. Scott Rolen - 18

95. Goose Goslin - 18

Others:

Martin Dihigo 13

Ozzie Smith 14

Alan Trammel 7

Tim Raines 12

Lou Whitaker 2

Jack Glasscock 4

Jim Edmonds 7

Ryne Sandberg 10

Paul Molitor 9

Dave Winfield 5

Andruw Jones 4

Homerun Baker 5

Mark McGwire 14

Gary Sheffield 4

David Ortiz 1

Ron Santo 8

Joe Cronin 11

Robbie Alomar 10

Richie Ashburn 2

Willie Stargell 1

Chuck Klein 3

Earl Averill Sr.2

Robinson Cano 3

Biz Mackey 2

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Ozzie Smith

Martin Dihigo

Alan Trammell

Lou Boudreau

Lou Whitaker]]>

I'll start with a guy I just stumbled a cross looking at Bill Terry's teenage pitching exploits in southern minor leagues and discovered one John Wilbur aka "Bud" aka "Country" Davis of Merry Point, Virginia. At age 19 in 1915 Bud pitched in 17 games for the Athletics but started just one in which he walked 12 in a 5-3 CG loss to Cleveland. In 58 innings he walked an astounding 52 batters while striking out 12 with 5 wild pitches and 6 hit batters. At the plate he posted a ridiculous 165 OPS+, slashing .348/.348/.522 on 8 hits, 2 doubles and a triple, scoring 4 and driving in 3. He never pitched or played in the majors again.

He continued to pitch in the minors through 1921 when he went 20-13 in the class B South Atlantic League. A season in which he also hit .340. After that he became a full-time position player - although I have no idea what position - mostly in southern leagues. Leagues in which he absolutely raked including the P.C.L. My favorite is 1924 with class C Okmlugee Drillers where he hit .400, slugged .746 with 50 doubles, 11 triples and 51 homers in 160 games and was teammates with Wilcy Moore. The next two years he hit .330 and .308 with Sacramento in his only P.C.L. seasons.

Now oddly enough there is no minor league data on Mr. Country Davis prior to his stint with the Athletics. I wonder where Connie Mack pulled this kid out of? He was just falling into the depths of the consequences of his fire sale and the connected F.L. wars so he'd be up to play a young kid, give him a chance. It's not only a strange cup of coffee but a strange debut.]]>

3. Ty Cobb

4. Barry Bonds

5. Honus Wagner

6. Ted Williams

7. Hank Aaron

8. Stan Musial

9. Rogers Hornsby

10. Tris Speaker

11. Lou Gehrig

12. Mickey Mantle

13. Alex Rodriguez

14. Joe DiMaggio

15. Mike Schmidt

16. Albert Pujols

17. Eddie Collins

18. Frank Robinson

19. Rickey Henderson

20. Oscar Charleston

21. Jimmie Foxx

22. Mel Ott

23. Nap Lajoie

24. Eddie Mathews

25. Johnny Bench

26. Joe Morgan

27. Josh Gibson

28. Ken Griffey Jr.

29. Mike Piazza

30. Jackie Robinson

31. George Brett

32. Roberto Clemente

33. Cal Ripken Jr.

34. Cap Anson

35. Mike Trout

36. Carl Yastrzemski

37. Al Kaline

38. Dan Brouthers

39. Yogi Berra

40. Charlie Gehringer

41. Jeff Bagwell

42. Chipper Jones

43. Johnny Mize

44. Pop Lloyd

45. Arky Vaughan

46. Wade Boggs

47. Ed Delahanty

48. Gary Carter

49. Reggie Jackson

50. Adrian Beltre

51. Roger Connor

52. Rod Carew

53. Luke Appling

54. Pete Rose

55. Hank Greenberg

56. George Davis

57. Shoeless Joe Jackson

58. Sam Crawford

59. Carlton Fisk

60. Duke Snider

61. Frank Thomas

62. Frankie Frisch

63. Robin Yount

64. Bill Dickey

65. Larry Walker

66. Al Simmons

67. Pee Wee Reese

68. Paul Waner

69. Harry Heilmann

70. Roy Campanella

71. Fred Clarke

72. Derek Jeter

73. Billy Hamilton

74. Miguel Cabrera

75. Ernie Banks

76. Barry Larkin

77. Jim Thome

78. Bill Dahlen

79. Mickey Cochrane

80. Willie Wells

81. Joe Gordon

82. Willie McCovey

83. Tony Gwynn

84. Gabby Hartnett

85. Manny Ramirez

87. Buck Ewing - 22

88. Brooks Robinson - 20

89. Bobby Grich - 19

90. Vlad Guerrero - 17

Others:

McGwire - 17

Killebrew - 17

Murray - 16

Goslin - 16

Rolen - 7

IRod - 7

Raines - 6

Alomar - 6

Ryno - 6

Ozzie - 5

Santo 5

Cronin - 5

Cano - 5

Jones - 5

Dihigo - 4

Winfield - 3

Averil - 3

Molitor - 3

Others 1-2

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Ivan Rodriguez

Martin Dihigo

Ozzie Smith

Scott Rolen

Alan Trammell

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Has any team in any sport ever made a better move to improve their franchise than the New York Yankees did when they bought Babe from the Sox?]]>