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  • #61
    Originally posted by SDL
    They bent the rules to retire #27 for Fisk. Using the same critera, they should retire #43 for The Eck (he works for NESN..Sox own some of NESN, right?).

    RETIRE #25 FOR TONY C AND #6 FOR PESKY & PETROCELLI AS WELL!

    Come on... With all these numbers you want retired, there will be slim pickings for everyone else...

    Eck wasnt all that great in Boston, and was MUCH better in Oakland, including his 0.61 ERA year. 6 years in Boston, not enough to retire his number.

    I don't agree with Pesky or Tony C. either... I'd much rather see Evans and Rice than any of these 3.

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    • #62
      I was just digging through an old box of baseball cards I had stored in my closet. I was never really a serious collector, but while I was still playing in the youth leagues I kept up with it somewhat. I digress. Anyway, I found this short stack of cards labeled "Baseball's All-Time Greats." It seems to be a complete set of 50 cards. They have no brand name on them, nor do they have any sort of date on them. I don't remember buying them, but I haven't bought a baseball card since 1985 or so. Interestingly, Jimmie Foxx is featured in a Red Sox uniform. Lefty Grove, however, is wearing his Philidelphia attire. The only other Red Sox: Ted, Tris, & Joe Cronin.
      "I believe in the Church of Baseball. I tried all the major religions and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance." ~Ron Shelton, from Bull Durham

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      • #63
        Originally posted by EvanAparra
        Come on... With all these numbers you want retired, there will be slim pickings for everyone else...

        Eck wasnt all that great in Boston, and was MUCH better in Oakland, including his 0.61 ERA year. 6 years in Boston, not enough to retire his number.

        I don't agree with Pesky or Tony C. either... I'd much rather see Evans and Rice than any of these 3.
        It's called RESPECT. They officially named the RF foul pole Pesky's Pole...so I say..one step further and retire #6.

        OK..how many people here think #25 should be retired for Tony Conigliaro?
        sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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        • #64
          Its also called Common Sense.

          They have embraced Pesky so much, don't you think they would have already done it if they were going to?

          Respect does not equal to a retired number. Most players are respected by their clubs, doesnt mean they need to have their number retired.

          Eck should definately not have his number retired by the Sox.

          Like i said...Evans and Rice contributed way more to this team than Pesky and Conigliaro ever did. Great Red Sox, but if you retire people like that, then others like Nomar, Vaughn, and Manny should go up too.

          I like the way the sox have it now. Retire a very small amount of numbers, no need to throw every all-star you got in there.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by EvanAparra
            Its also called Common Sense.

            They have embraced Pesky so much, don't you think they would have already done it if they were going to?

            Respect does not equal to a retired number. Most players are respected by their clubs, doesnt mean they need to have their number retired.

            Eck should definately not have his number retired by the Sox.

            Like i said...Evans and Rice contributed way more to this team than Pesky and Conigliaro ever did. Great Red Sox, but if you retire people like that, then others like Nomar, Vaughn, and Manny should go up too.

            I like the way the sox have it now. Retire a very small amount of numbers, no need to throw every all-star you got in there.
            I will bet they will honor Pesky..and Petrocelli the same way with a retirement. I take it that if Pesky got into the HOF via the Vet Committee you'd support #6 going up?

            Look at Fisk..he played longer with Chicago than in Boston and yet #27 went up.

            Tony C is also out respect and if you project what might have been had he never gotten hurt, he'd have put up potential HOF numbers.

            Will they retire #24 for Evans when Manny is gone?
            sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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            • #66
              Originally posted by SDL
              They bent the rules to retire #27 for Fisk. Using the same critera, they should retire #43 for The Eck (he works for NESN..Sox own some of NESN, right?).

              RETIRE #25 FOR TONY C AND #6 FOR PESKY & PETROCELLI AS WELL!
              Retire Eckersley? Now that's going too far. Just because a great player played for the Red Sox, doesn't mean the Sox should retire his number. Eckersley spent 6.5 seasons as a starter for the Sox and then one mediocre season at the very end. During the 6.5 years, he only had two good seasons, and 4.5 mostly mediocre ones. I can't see any argument that Eckersley is an all-time Red Sox great.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by DoubleX
                Retire Eckersley? Now that's going too far. Just because a great player played for the Red Sox, doesn't mean the Sox should retire his number. Eckersley spent 6.5 seasons as a starter for the Sox and then one mediocre season at the very end. During the 6.5 years, he only had two good seasons, and 4.5 mostly mediocre ones. I can't see any argument that Eckersley is an all-time Red Sox great.
                I was just using the criteria they used to retire Fisk's number. Like I said...Fisk played longer for the ChiSox than he did for the BoSox.

                Now...would you retire #26 for Boggs? Tampa Bay retired his #12 and he only played two seasons down here.

                If he takes back his slap-in-the-face comment about how he never played fpr the Sox..that he was a rookie with the Yankees, I'd maybe forgive him...
                sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by SDL
                  I will bet they will honor Pesky..and Petrocelli the same way with a retirement. I take it that if Pesky got into the HOF via the Vet Committee you'd support #6 going up?

                  Look at Fisk..he played longer with Chicago than in Boston and yet #27 went up.

                  Tony C is also out respect and if you project what might have been had he never gotten hurt, he'd have put up potential HOF numbers.

                  Will they retire #24 for Evans when Manny is gone?
                  Fisk was in the Sox organization for 11 years. Pesky for 7, Tony C for 6.

                  But i wouldnt be mad if they put Peskys number up, but i just wouldnt want it.

                  Conigliaro will not/should not have his number retired. 6 years is way too short, no matter how you look at it.

                  I like it being very exclusive. I dont want to retire every good players number.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by SDL
                    Now...would you retire #26 for Boggs? Tampa Bay retired his #12 and he only played two seasons down here.

                    If he takes back his slap-in-the-face comment about how he never played fpr the Sox..that he was a rookie with the Yankees, I'd maybe forgive him...
                    Boggs being retired as a Red Sox is certainly justified. The Devil Rays retiring his number was just silly and another example of an expansion team trying to create tradition from nothing (the Brewers retiring Aaron and Fingers are the best example of this; the Padres and Steve Garvey are another).

                    Boggs is apparently the reason why players can no longer pick what cap they wear on their Hall of Fame plaque. The rumor was that Boggs entered into some secret agreement with the Devil Rays in which he agreed to be a Devil Ray in the Hall of Fame.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by DoubleX
                      Boggs being retired as a Red Sox is certainly justified. The Devil Rays retiring his number was just silly and another example of an expansion team trying to create tradition from nothing (the Brewers retiring Aaron and Fingers are the best example of this; the Padres and Steve Garvey are another).

                      Boggs is apparently the reason why players can no longer pick what cap they wear on their Hall of Fame plaque. The rumor was that Boggs entered into some secret agreement with the Devil Rays in which he agreed to be a Devil Ray in the Hall of Fame.
                      Did Boggs grow up in Tampa? Here's his HoF Plaque (wearing a Boston Cap):
                      http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ho...Boggs_Wade.htm
                      "I believe in the Church of Baseball. I tried all the major religions and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance." ~Ron Shelton, from Bull Durham

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                      • #71
                        Wonder when they're going to retire Pumpsie Green's number.
                        The ball once struck off,
                        Away flies the boy
                        To the next destin'd post,
                        And then home with joy.
                        --Anonymous, 1744

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by maximum jack
                          I was just digging through an old box of baseball cards I had stored in my closet. I was never really a serious collector, but while I was still playing in the youth leagues I kept up with it somewhat. I digress. Anyway, I found this short stack of cards labeled "Baseball's All-Time Greats." It seems to be a complete set of 50 cards. They have no brand name on them, nor do they have any sort of date on them. I don't remember buying them, but I haven't bought a baseball card since 1985 or so. Interestingly, Jimmie Foxx is featured in a Red Sox uniform. Lefty Grove, however, is wearing his Philidelphia attire. The only other Red Sox: Ted, Tris, & Joe Cronin.
                          Of those three the only one who is always associated with the Sox is Ted. Speaker is just as much an Indian. Cronin's association with the Sox is mainly in management.

                          Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
                          Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

                          Holy Cow

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                          • #73
                            Pesky and Tony C. didn't play long enough for the sox.

                            Only Foxx, Boggs and Clemens # should be retired.
                            Last edited by The Kid; 09-24-2006, 05:25 PM.
                            "He studied hitting like a broker studies the stock market, how a scribe studies the scriptures" - Carl Yastrzemski on Ted Williams

                            "The greatest clutch hitter in Red Sox history has done it again! Big Papi!" - Don Orsillo's call of Ortiz's walk-off single

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by maximum jack
                              Did Boggs grow up in Tampa? Here's his HoF Plaque (wearing a Boston Cap):
                              http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ho...Boggs_Wade.htm
                              I think so, though I'm not positive. He was much celebrated by the Devil Rays, like a returning hero, so I got the impression that he was a hometown guy (though baseball-reference lists his birthplace as Nebraska). If the Hall hadn't changed his rules, he probably would be wearing a Devil Rays hat if that rumor was true.

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                              • #75
                                Wasnt he a player/manager for over 10 years? Then only a manager for a couple? I wouldnt exactly say this means its mainly management.

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