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  • #76
    Originally posted by DoubleX
    Boggs being retired as a Red Sox is certainly justified. The Devil Rays retiring his number was just silly and another example of an expansion team trying to create tradition from nothing (the Brewers retiring Aaron and Fingers are the best example of this; the Padres and Steve Garvey are another).

    Boggs is apparently the reason why players can no longer pick what cap they wear on their Hall of Fame plaque. The rumor was that Boggs entered into some secret agreement with the Devil Rays in which he agreed to be a Devil Ray in the Hall of Fame.
    Garvey het probably the most famous homer in Padre history. I can see the Pads retiring his number. Fingers won a CYA with the Brewers.
    But the others I agree with you on.
    Garvey should have his number retired by the bums.

    Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
    Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by EvanAparra
      Wasnt he a player/manager for over 10 years? Then only a manager for a couple? I wouldnt exactly say this means its mainly management.
      Cronin had his best years as a player in Washington. I would have to look at his entire career to know exactly how it broke down.
      I looked it up and you are correct in that he was a player manager for all that time. In fact 46 was his first year as just manager. But many of those years he played less than 100 games. The breakdown between games as a Senator and games as a RedSox is close.
      And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was GM before becoming AL Pres.
      Last edited by soberdennis; 09-24-2006, 05:36 PM.

      Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
      Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by EvanAparra
        Fisk was in the Sox organization for 11 years. Pesky for 7, Tony C for 6.

        But i wouldnt be mad if they put Peskys number up, but i just wouldnt want it.

        Conigliaro will not/should not have his number retired. 6 years is way too short, no matter how you look at it.

        I like it being very exclusive. I dont want to retire every good players number.
        Pesky has been with the organization for more than seven years...

        And for Tony C, ..it is RESPECT if they hang it up. Hey, as you can tell, I'm a die-hard Bill Lee fan, but I know #37 will never be retired.
        sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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        • #79
          Originally posted by soberdennis
          Garvey het probably the most famous homer in Padre history. I can see the Pads retiring his number. Fingers won a CYA with the Brewers.
          But the others I agree with you on.
          Garvey should have his number retired by the bums.
          So? Bobby Thompson's number isn't retired by the Giants. Joe Carter's number is not retired by the Blue Jays.

          As for Cy Young award winners - most don't have their numbers retired by any team.

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          • #80
            Theres a place for people this that... The Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame.

            Charlie Wagner was in the Sox organization for 70 years, no one is retiring his number.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by DoubleX
              So? Bobby Thompson's number isn't retired by the Giants. Joe Carter's number is not retired by the Blue Jays.

              As for Cy Young award winners - most don't have their numbers retired by any team.
              I am just stating the probable reasons. Personally I find it hard to imagine any team retiring as many #s as the Yanks have. Nor should they. I am not 100% sure the Yanks should have , even though I am not sure whose # I wouldn't have retired.

              Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
              Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

              Holy Cow

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              • #82
                Originally posted by DoubleX
                I think so, though I'm not positive. He was much celebrated by the Devil Rays, like a returning hero, so I got the impression that he was a hometown guy (though baseball-reference lists his birthplace as Nebraska). If the Hall hadn't changed his rules, he probably would be wearing a Devil Rays hat if that rumor was true.
                Boggs grew up in Tampa, so he's regarded as a native down here.

                Supposedly if and when Andre Dawson gets in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Marlins cap.
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                • #83
                  Just looking for a few opinons on this:

                  What do you think of the Red Sox retired number policy? The policy states that the player:

                  1. Must be a Hall of Famer
                  2. Must have played at least 10 seasons with the Red Sox
                  Here is the kicker, and the part that I feel is just ridiculous...
                  3.Must finish their career with the team.

                  Looking for everyones opinion.

                  Scott

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                  • #84
                    Let me guess...you want Roger Clemens' number retired, right? That said, I think number 3 is a tad silly.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by CurseReversed04
                      Just looking for a few opinons on this:

                      What do you think of the Red Sox retired number policy? The policy states that the player:

                      1. Must be a Hall of Famer
                      2. Must have played at least 10 seasons with the Red Sox
                      Here is the kicker, and the part that I feel is just ridiculous...
                      3.Must finish their career with the team.

                      Looking for everyones opinion.

                      Scott
                      My general response to this is that I think it should be extremely difficult to retire a number. Taking a look at a certain other organization, Ron Guidry is an example of what shouldn't happen when looking at numbers to retire, IMO.

                      That being said, I also think a player can have a value to a certain ballclub that might not be fully understood by other teams, so...h
                      "Anything less would not have been worthy of me. Anything more would not have been possible." - Carl Yastrzemski

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Dalkowski110
                        Let me guess...you want Roger Clemens' number retired, right? That said, I think number 3 is a tad silly.
                        I agree #3 is silly, too...it keeps Clemens, Boggs, and Evans from ever getting their numbers retired (not that I think Evans will make the HOF, but still).
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                        • #87
                          Here is my problem. It is one thing to be selective when retiring numbers, it is another thing to make it next to impossible. Let me give you an example of why this bothers me so much. When Carlton Fisk was elected to the HOF, the Sox front office decided to cash in by retiring his number. One problem however...he did not finish his career with the Red Sox. Any Sox fan will remember the contract debacle that eventually sent him to the White Sox. How did the Sox get around this? They created a front office job for him so that he could "finish his baseball career" with the Red Sox. Now I am not saying that we should run out and put Calvin Shiraldi's number up with Williams and Yaz, but can we at least come up with something that is a little more attainable, and something that makes a little more sense.

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                          • #88
                            And by the way...I think that Evans should be in the HOF!

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                            • #89
                              I meant to agree in my last response that #3 on your list doesn't make a lot of sense. If a ballclub is manufacturing ways to make a fit, then there's a problem somewhere.
                              "Anything less would not have been worthy of me. Anything more would not have been possible." - Carl Yastrzemski

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                              • #90
                                I think Clemens will end is career in a Boston uniform..in some way, shape or capacity. I just hope they have a little more integrity and can sign him to a 1 day contract or something, not create a phony job for him so he can retire like that. Go out in style, sign a 1 day contract before you hang 'em up. Do what Jerry Rice did..go sign back with the team that made you who you were and retire..it's the right thing to do and I hope Roger realizes that.

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