Red Sox Retired Numbers?

[rwolfe09]

I don't know whether Nomar wanted to leave or if it was just another fiction created by the Boston media, but I remember two things from that 2004 season when Nomar was still there:

1) He seemed to take an inordinate amount of time to recover from his injury.

2) His sitting on the bench while the rest of his teamates were on the railing as the Red Sox and Yankees battled in that great extra innings game (the game where Jeter dove into the stands).

A little off topic opinion. Nomar was the Red Sox. If he didn't want something done..then it didn't happen. Once he was traded, the chemistry came back and you all know what happened. I have a feeling that Manny is becoming Boston's next Nomar.

[The Kid]

That's 3. anyone else?

[soberdennis]

Good luck to you. Foxx deserves to be remembered by some team, though Red Sox wouldn't be my first choice.

I think he probably should be remembered by both teams.
This is an interesting conversation the week Foxx's single season team HR record is broken.

[DoubleX]

I'm writing a letter to henry telling him to retire foxx's number. Anyone want to back me up?

Good luck to you. Foxx deserves to be remembered by some team, though Red Sox wouldn't be my first choice.

[SDL]

Foxx is a much closer comparison.

I'm writing a letter to henry telling him to retire foxx's number. Anyone want to back me up?[/QUOTE]

I support it...but ler Loretta keep it. After Loretta leaves the Sox, that's it. Remmeber that when the Bruins retired #7 for Phil Esposito, Espo himself said that Ray Bourque could continue to wear the number. Bourque surprised evrybody with his #77 jersey. Doubt Loretta will change to, let's say #66, but it would be interesting to see how Loretta would handle it.

[The Kid]

Foxx is a much closer comparison.

I'm writing a letter to henry telling him to retire foxx's number. Anyone want to back me up?

[DoubleX]

Back to the Red Sox and Foxx, how many people associate Garvey with the Padres? But the Pads have retired his number, while the Dodgers haven't.

It's like Aaron and Fingers with the Brewers. I think some of these expansion teams were desperate to create tradition

Also, thanks for point out my slip with the Oakland A's and Foxx and Grove. That was just a mistake - I meant to say that I think of them as Athletics, first and foremost, regardless of where the Athletics call home. Now if only someone would remind that A's that some truly magnificent players graced that franchise. I'd also like to see them bring back the elephant.

[soberdennis]

lol. i dont think anyone was going to jump on you, but yeah DoubleX, nice handle. My favorite all-time player is a Yankee. Everyone thinks im a traitor, but how can you NOT like the Mic?

Mick is my favorite, too. I was there when he hit his 500th on my 10th birthday. (God , it has been a while since I mentioned that.). I would say that Carl Yastriemski would rank in my top 5 , though. it shows respect for baseball greatness to look at players regardless of what team they played for.
Back to the Red Sox and Foxx, how many people associate Garvey with the Padres? But the Pads have retired his number, while the Dodgers haven't.

[EvanAparra]

Thank you. You are pointing out what in my opinion is a true fan. You swear allegiance to one team, but are a baseball fan first.
Before I get nasty posts I am not trying to say that anyone else here is not a true fan. I am just giving my definition.

lol. i dont think anyone was going to jump on you, but yeah DoubleX, nice handle. My favorite all-time player is a Yankee. Everyone thinks im a traitor, but how can you NOT like the Mic?

[soberdennis]

It's an homage to Jimmie Foxx... Contrary to what many baseball fans (especially in Boston) believe, it is possible to be a Yankee fan and also have a higher appreciation for the game and its history.

Thank you. You are pointing out what in my opinion is a true fan. You swear allegiance to one team, but are a baseball fan first.
Before I get nasty posts I am not trying to say that anyone else here is not a true fan. I am just giving my definition.

[DoubleX]

Why is your username Double X anyways, wouldn't you rather have it after a Yank or something. Just wonderin'

It's an homage to Jimmie Foxx... Contrary to what many baseball fans (especially in Boston) believe, it is possible to be a Yankee fan and also have a higher appreciation for the game and its history.

[DoubleX]

even though Grove was hurt during his sox career, he still put up pretty good numbers.

And don't get me started on Foxx.

If you have time, you should go back to earlier in the thread where I compare what Grove and Foxx did for Red Sox compared to the Athletics. For Grove, the comparison is not even close. He was good, but nothing like the dominant pitcher we think of when we think of the Lefty Grove, when he was with the Red Sox. He was a 190 inning a year pitcher with the Sox compared to a 280 inning a year pitcher with the A's.

Foxx is a much closer comparison.

[-Kyle-]

Why Foxx and Grove? Can someone explain to me why Red Sox fans associate Foxx and Grove with the Sox? The bulk of their careers, and the bulk of their best years, were with the Athletics, where they helped lead the team to two World Series and three straight pennants.

Why is your username Double X anyways, wouldn't you rather have it after a Yank or something. Just wonderin'

[The Kid]

Why Foxx and Grove? Can someone explain to me why Red Sox fans associate Foxx and Grove with the Sox? The bulk of their careers, and the bulk of their best years, were with the Athletics, where they helped lead the team to two World Series and three straight pennants.

even though Grove was hurt during his sox career, he still put up pretty good numbers.

And don't get me started on Foxx.

[PhilWings24]

If you had characters like Shaughnessy, Edes, etc. daily tearing you to shreds in the paper, and people believing them over your own word, wouldn't you be unhappy? I sure would.

I personally don't think he ever really wanted to leave.

Interesting note: during Nomar's first spring training after the Trade, Edes wrote an article about him which began "Like a snake shedding its skin under a desert sun, Nomar walked smiling into the Cubs clubhouse..." The disrespect was thick and palpable. Stephen King was right when he called the Boston sports media "cannibals".

Sorry for the sidebar -- back to the retired numbres discussion.

i would've been with you until the game at yankee stadium where there were 9 players on the field, 15 on the top step of the dugout, and 1 sulking and daydreaming on the bench, and nomar was that one.

actually i think i still am with you for the most part, except to me he clearly wanted to leave, i just don't think it was a whiney brat sort of "i feel disrespected" thing. i think he just couldn't handle the pressue in boston (though i learned from Feeding the Monster it apparently effected his personal life much, much more than it affected his game. he quite literally went insane for a while, thinking the Sox were tapping his phone and stuff).

the only thing that really turned me against him was his supposed fued with the front office, where he alledgedly held them hostage and basically forced them to trade him.

so i think he wanted out for sure, but i don't think it was at all like pedro feeling "disrespected" and was really just an enormous attention hog. i think it was more that he almost loved boston too much, and wouldn't be able to enjoy himself there until he won 5 straight gold gloves and batted 1.000 while never missing a game.