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  • Murderer's Row
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    Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan
    I think I started a thread about this on CE, also who's the better LF? Who's the better hitter? Or who's the better overall player?
    I always thought Manny could hit, but he's overrated. The fact he is being compared to Carl Yastrzemski proves my point in my opinion. Yaz is a top five left fielder. Manny might be top 20.

    Carl is a better left fielder. I don't know about hitting, Carl played in the biggest pitchers era since the deadball era, whereas Manny played in the biggest hitting era ever. I might give that to Carl too, and of course he's the better player.

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  • ChrisLDuncan
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    I think I started a thread about this on CE, also who's the better LF? Who's the better hitter? Or who's the better overall player?

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  • DoubleX
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    Originally posted by Murderer's Row
    I agree that Teddy is the only one who could challenge the Babe, the Bambino, The Sultan of Swat, The Colossus of Clout, The Wali of Wallop, The Wazir of Wham, The Maharajah of Mash, The Rajah of Rap, The Caliph of Clout, The King of Crash, and the Behemoth of Bust, but it seems to me whenever this discussion is brought up the fact he missed years is used as a defence wherever the Babe, the Bambino, The Sultan of Swat, The Colossus of Clout, The Wali of Wallop, The Wazir of Wham, The Maharajah of Mash, The Rajah of Rap, The Caliph of Clout, The King of Crash, and the Behemoth of Bust is favored by statistics. (I don't know any advanced statistics so I don't have any proof anyway)
    Well Babe certainly has the Splendid Splinter on names.

    As for Ted's time missed, it would be one thing if he was injured during those years or even retired, but he physically and mentally could have played in those years, it was an extra factor that removed him from the game. Just picture what Ruth's overall statistics would look like if you removed 5 years of his prime.

    A big difference between Ruth and Williams for me is that Ruth dominated when no one was really trying to play the game that when (and then only started to try). Whereas Ted dominated when most everyone was trying to play that way. Would Ruth have stood out as much as he did if he played during a time when everyone was trying to play in that style? I don't know if I'm making sense, but I hope so.
    Last edited by DoubleX; 10-19-2006, 05:22 PM.

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  • SDL
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    I'm talking longevity in Boston. If it's just Yaz & Manny, it's Yaz hands-down. Put #9 and #14 in the equation and Manny would be waaay behind...

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  • Murderer's Row
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    Originally posted by DoubleX
    I think Williams is the only player that can challenge Ruth for the title of best hitter ever. With some adjustments for era that tilt pretty heavily in Williams' favor, I think it's very close. I also think had Williams not missed nearly 5 seasons to military service, that the answer might be more clear.
    I agree that Teddy is the only one who could challenge the Babe, the Bambino, The Sultan of Swat, The Colossus of Clout, The Wali of Wallop, The Wazir of Wham, The Maharajah of Mash, The Rajah of Rap, The Caliph of Clout, The King of Crash, and the Behemoth of Bust, but it seems to me whenever this discussion is brought up the fact he missed years is used as a defence wherever the Babe, the Bambino, The Sultan of Swat, The Colossus of Clout, The Wali of Wallop, The Wazir of Wham, The Maharajah of Mash, The Rajah of Rap, The Caliph of Clout, The King of Crash, and the Behemoth of Bust is favored by statistics. (I don't know any advanced statistics so I don't have any proof anyway)

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  • DoubleX
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    Originally posted by Murderer's Row
    What about the Babe? The Bambino? The Sultan of Swat? The Colossus of Clout? The Wali of Wallop? The Wazir of Wham? The Maharajah of Mash? The Rajah of Rap? The Caliph of Clout? The King of Crash? and the Behemoth of Bust?

    Hello Sweater
    I think Williams is the only player that can challenge Ruth for the title of best hitter ever. With some adjustments for era that tilt pretty heavily in Williams' favor, I think it's very close. I also think had Williams not missed nearly 5 seasons to military service, that the answer might be more clear.

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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by Murderer's Row
    What about the Babe? The Bambino? The Sultan of Swat? The Colossus of Clout? The Wali of Wallop? The Wazir of Wham? The Maharajah of Mash? The Rajah of Rap? The Caliph of Clout? The King of Crash? and the Behemoth of Bust?

    Hello Sweater
    What about him?

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  • Murderer's Row
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    Originally posted by Old Sweater
    True very true. IMO the best hitter who ever walked up to the plate.
    What about the Babe? The Bambino? The Sultan of Swat? The Colossus of Clout? The Wali of Wallop? The Wazir of Wham? The Maharajah of Mash? The Rajah of Rap? The Caliph of Clout? The King of Crash? and the Behemoth of Bust?

    Hello Sweater

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  • Old Sweater
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    But in an overall LF battle, they both pale in comparison to Ted.
    True very true. IMO the best hitter who ever walked up to the plate.

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  • Erik Bedard
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    We've done this before... hold on and I'll get a link.

    I said Yaz, BTW.

    EDIT: Got the link: http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=5851&page=2.

    Page 2 is the only one you need to read. And I highly recommend it. It makes me look smart.
    Last edited by Erik Bedard; 10-18-2006, 02:58 PM.

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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by Old Sweater
    Not even close for overall player. Yaz was the last Triple Crown winner you know.
    Even so, I think Manny is a better hitter, but Yaz a better all around ballplayer.

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  • Old Sweater
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    Not even close for overall player. Yaz was the last Triple Crown winner you know.

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  • DoubleX
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    Since the question asks who is the better overall LFer, there is an implication that defense counts for quite a bit here. While Manny gets the nod for offensive production at peak, Yastrzemski, who was no slouch himself with the bat, blows Manny out of the water on defense. I consider Yastrzemski as one of the 30 or so best positional players ever (not counting 19th century players and negro leaguers).

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  • KCGHOST
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    Despite his ourfield assists Ramirez just gets killed by Yaz with the glove. ManRam has a small advantage with the bat but he will never make up the defensive ground lost.

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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by Solair Wright
    The legendary battle of left field begins for the Red Sox. If Manny doesn't leave Boston and has a very productive 2007, could he challenge the great Yaz in Left Field for the Red Sox in all-time left fielders for the Red Sox? Both have had great careers in Beantown, but I'm going with Yaz because he had better fielding defense than Manny, and relied on many skills to win the games. Manny, on the other hand, is a one-sided player.

    Who is the better left fielder? M-Ram or Carl "Yaz" Yastrzemski?
    If Manny only plays one more year, I think I would take Yaz.

    But in an overall LF battle, they both pale in comparison to Ted.

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