Need help making all-time team

[DoubleX]

I would put Wood in the rotation before Tiant. Maybe make Tiant the 5th starter after Wood.

But thats just me.

Regardless, it would be fun to watch!

Good call. I think I would do that, must have forgotten about Wood.

[DoubleX]

I think they would fight a lot!

Heh, that would be very interesting in its own right.

[king_ghidora]

Young, Tiant, and Wood would baffle those Yankee batters. Odd as it is, I'd say that all-time Red Sox team has better pitching than the Yankees one does, considering Boston is famous for favoring hitters.

Anyway, Where's Jim Rice on all these all-time lists? I certainly hope we're not catching the same disease that the Hall Of Fame voters seem to have caught.

[DoubleX]

Young, Tiant, and Wood would baffle those Yankee batters. Odd as it is, I'd say that all-time Red Sox team has better pitching than the Yankees one does, considering Boston is famous for favoring hitters.

Anyway, Where's Jim Rice on all these all-time lists? I certainly hope we're not catching the same disease that the Hall Of Fame voters seem to have caught.

I think I'd agree with Boston's pitching strengths, but it would still be hard to plow through DiMaggio/Ruth/Gehrig/Mantle. It would be very intersting to say the least.

As for Rice. I left him off my list because I only dealt with starting lineups, though Rice would surely make my bench. But here's why he's not a starter:

Rice is a LFer, same as Williams and Yastrzemski (and Ramirez if active players are considered). Strictly on LFers, I have Rice miles behind all three. Yastrzemski gets the nod because he is by far the best fielder of this group. Williams, however, is arguably the greatest hitter ever, so he seems best suited for DH, since like Rice, I think I could find better fielding options in CF and RF.

So could I move Rice to CF or RF? Well definitely not CF since his fielding was below average. Fred Lynn had some great seasons for Boston and was a Gold Glover, he gets the nod here over Dom DiMaggio.

As for RF, I went with the better defender again, Dwight Evans. Rice was a much better hitter at peak, but Evans may have been a better all-around player. If Ramirez is considered, then I move Ramirez to RF (since he played over 900 games for the Indians in RF) and Evans goes to the bench as well.

So basically, since Rice is not as good as Williams and Yastrzmeski, and does not field well enough to displace Lynn and Evans (or Ramirez) in CF or RF, Rice goes to the bench.

[RamMan12]

This is my roster now. Post some more suggestions. There were so many different conversations in here I might have missed some good ones but anyway.

Pos Boston
C Carlton Fisk
C
1B Mo Vaughn
2B Bobby Doerr
3B Wade Boggs
SS Joe Cronin
LF Ted Williams
CF Freddie Lynn
RF Dwight Evans
IF Johnny Pesky
IF Jimmy Collins
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Carl Yastrzemski
OF Jim Rice
Util Harry Hooper
Util
SP Luis Tiant
SP Cy Young
SP Bruce Hurst
SP Bill Lee
SP Joe Wood
SP
RP Bob Stanley
CL Dick Radatz
P

[538280]

This is my roster now. Post some more suggestions. There were so many different conversations in here I might have missed some good ones but anyway.

Pos Boston
C Carlton Fisk
C
1B Mo Vaughn
2B Bobby Doerr
3B Wade Boggs
SS Joe Cronin
LF Ted Williams
CF Freddie Lynn
RF Dwight Evans
IF Johnny Pesky
IF Jimmy Collins
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Carl Yastrzemski
OF Jim Rice
Util Harry Hooper
Util
SP Luis Tiant
SP Cy Young
SP Bruce Hurst
SP Bill Lee
SP Joe Wood
SP
RP Bob Stanley
CL Dick Radatz
P

Roger Clemens should qualify for the team. Ellis Kinder should be in the bullpen. Not bad though.

[leecemark]

--Wally Schang as your other catcher?

[DoubleX]

--Wally Schang as your other catcher?

I know I don't speak for everyone, but I think of Schang as first and foremost an Athletic, than as a Yankee, than as a Brown, before I associate him with the Red Sox.

[leecemark]

--I suppose you could make a case for any of those teams. I put him on the Red Sox, because the others (less the Browns, who I really don't have a team for) don't need him. Plus I put Fisk on the White Sox. Schang did have more seasons for the Browns than the Sox, but didn't join them until he was 36 and never got 300 ABs in any of his seasons there. He split time 2 years and then stuck around as a backup.

[DoubleX]

--I suppose you could make a case for any of those teams. I put him on the Red Sox, because the others (less the Browns, who I really don't have a team for) don't need him. Plus I put Fisk on the White Sox. Schang did have more seasons for the Browns than the Sox, but didn't join them until he was 36 and never got 300 ABs in any of his seasons there. He split time 2 years and then stuck around as a backup.

That's a good point - other teams already have their positions filled.

I also agree with you about Fisk. I actually think of him as a Red Sock, but put him on the White Sox when I make my all-time teams because he played more seasons, had more ABs with the White Sox, and had some big seasons in the 80s on the White Sox. The only thing he didn't have was a Game 6 homerun. Anyway, after living in Boston for several years, I think it would be a very tough sell trying to convince Red Sox nation that Pudge Fisk is a White Sock and not a Red Sock.

[RamMan12]

Does anybody think that Troy O'Leary would make the all-time team in the last spot at Util.? After this input, I'm gonna finish the rosters without any more help. You can find the final roster for the Red Sox and the other 15 teams in my thread in Fantasy Baseball and Gaming.

[runningshoes]

These are my guys...each in the position they played.

1b - Jimmie Foxx
2b - Bobby Doer
ss - Nomar Garciaparra
3b - Jimmy Collins
C - Carlton Fisk
LF - Ted Williams
CF - Tris Speaker
RF - Dwight Evans
SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Lefty Grove
SP - Cy Young
RP - Ellis Kinder
RP - Dick Radatz
RP - Bob Stanley