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  • DoubleX
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    Originally posted by Evangelion
    Mike Gonzalez was drafted by the Pirates.
    Mike Gonzalez was drafted by the Pirates but they traded him on 7/22/03 with Scott Sauerbeck to the Red Sox for Brandon Lyon and Anastacio Martinez. Then on 9 days later on 7/31/03, the Sox traded Gonzalez and Freddy Sanchez for Lyon, Martinez, and Jeff Suppan. Kind of a curious sequence, but the Sox had Gonzalez for 9 days.

    EDIT: I posted this before I saw that I was already beat to it.

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  • Evangelion
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    Originally posted by SDL
    First Lyon Trade: July 22, 2003: Lyon and Anastacio Martinez to the Pirates for Mike Gonzalez and Sauerbeck.

    July 31, 2003: Traded by Pirates with Martinez and Jeff Suppan to the Boston Red Sox for Gonzalez, Freddy Sanchez, and cash.

    Martinez never did live up to his promise..and I had seen him pitch for the SaraSox.
    You are right. I was wrong earlier

    Gonzalez was in the Boston system for 8 days, even pitched for PawSox a couple of times, before being shipped back to Pittsburgh.

    The first trade was a steal, then the second trade came and we all know what happen after that.

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  • SDL
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    Originally posted by danjulien
    The "baseball deals" are listed on the page but are the Roberts/Payton deal (where Roberts wanted to start, but shoulda gotten a better return), the Payton/Bradford, the Nomar trade, the Giambi trade and the Hillenbrand trade...
    Pauley, who we got from the Padres for Roberts, showed some promise. I'd say we got a good return. I wouldn't be surprised if teams want him in trades...

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  • SDL
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    Originally posted by VTSoxFan
    Brandon Lyon was first traded to Pittsburgh for either Suppan or Sauerbeck -- I can't remember which -- but there were issues about his health and I think the Pirates were suspicious that Theo had traded a pitcher he knew wasn't healthy. In order to patch things up, Theo was forced to trade them our top prospect -- Sanchez. We got Lyon back, but he didn't do much the rest of that season.

    I remember people at the time saying "We got Suppan AND Saurerbeck for only Sanchez!" But considering that those two pitchers did almost nothing for us during their short stays here, and considering what a rising star Sanchez is... I don't think it was a good deal, in the long run.

    BTW, how is Freddy's fielding? We all know about his batting title, but how's his defense?

    Did Theo know that Lyon's shoulder was iffy when he made the first trade? Only he knows. If he did know... that's dirty dealing.
    First Lyon Trade: July 22, 2003: Lyon and Anastacio Martinez to the Pirates for Mike Gonzalez and Sauerbeck.

    July 31, 2003: Traded by Pirates with Martinez and Jeff Suppan to the Boston Red Sox for Gonzalez, Freddy Sanchez, and cash.

    Martinez never did live up to his promise..and I had seen him pitch for the SaraSox.

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  • danjulien
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    The "baseball deals" are listed on the page but are the Roberts/Payton deal (where Roberts wanted to start, but shoulda gotten a better return), the Payton/Bradford, the Nomar trade, the Giambi trade and the Hillenbrand trade...

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  • VTSoxFan
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    Brandon Lyon was first traded to Pittsburgh for either Suppan or Sauerbeck -- I can't remember which -- but there were issues about his health and I think the Pirates were suspicious that Theo had traded a pitcher he knew wasn't healthy. In order to patch things up, Theo was forced to trade them our top prospect -- Sanchez. We got Lyon back, but he didn't do much the rest of that season.

    I remember people at the time saying "We got Suppan AND Saurerbeck for only Sanchez!" But considering that those two pitchers did almost nothing for us during their short stays here, and considering what a rising star Sanchez is... I don't think it was a good deal, in the long run.

    BTW, how is Freddy's fielding? We all know about his batting title, but how's his defense?

    Did Theo know that Lyon's shoulder was iffy when he made the first trade? Only he knows. If he did know... that's dirty dealing.

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  • Evangelion
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    Originally posted by DoubleX
    Was Theo at the helm when Freddy Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez were traded to the Pirates for Jeff Suppan and Brandon Lyon?
    Mike Gonzalez was drafted by the Pirates.

    Still, he dealt Sanchez for Suppan and Sauerbeck, we need them at the time, but they simply did not perform. Of course, Sanchez became the batting champion this past season and likely to get better. Suppan and Sauerbeck ended up leaving. Sauerbeck still a very average to medicore relief pitcher. Suppan been quite consistent since joining St. Louis and had a great 2005 postseason.

    Lyon was involved in the Schilling deal. He was just a waiver pick up by Boston.

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  • ChrisLDuncan
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    Originally posted by EvanAparra
    Who, in your estimation, has done well in "baseball deals?"

    Or who has gained wins because of his deals as a whole?
    Well I guess the guy who has done well is the guy who makes more good trades than bad ones. Prospects are exactly that prospects, they might be something, everyone makes bad deals.

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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by danjulien
    Sometimes I forget to put in links lol...
    I broke down the analysis further here

    The interesting thing is how badly Theo's done in "baseball deals" where players traded were simliar major league players...while picking up a chunk of salary, he has given up about 15 wins.
    Who, in your estimation, has done well in "baseball deals?"

    Or who has gained wins because of his deals as a whole?

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  • danjulien
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    Sometimes I forget to put in links lol...
    I broke down the analysis further here

    The interesting thing is how badly Theo's done in "baseball deals" where players traded were simliar major league players...while picking up a chunk of salary, he has given up about 15 wins.

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  • SoxSon
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    Here's a link, everyone. I believe it was edited out by mistake:

    http://danjulien.atspace.com/theo.htm

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  • SDL
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    Originally posted by DoubleX
    Was Theo at the helm when Freddy Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez were traded to the Pirates for Jeff Suppan and Brandon Lyon?
    Yes, he was. WE should, however, be lucky it was not Duquette making those deals. Danny Boy would have thrown in half the rosters of Pawtucket and Portland in those deals...

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  • DoubleX
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    Was Theo at the helm when Freddy Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez were traded to the Pirates for Jeff Suppan and Brandon Lyon?

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  • Jager
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    The worst trade he's ever made was Meredith and Bard for Mirabelli. Absolutely terrible. I hope it's the worst he will ever make too. lol.

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  • PhilWings24
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    sounds interesting, do you have a link?

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