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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by Mattingly
    He doesn't turn 36 until August, so what was there that the Sox FO wasn't too crazy about? His stats? Age? Clubhouse demeanor?

    After they'd traded away Wake's catcher, Mirabelli, to get him, why'd they suddenly give him his walking papers?
    His hitting isn't anything to brag about. He was a .285 hitter, but he doesn't walk, and he has absolutely no power. Im sure he's a good clubhouse guy, everyone seemed to really like him. He was a one year stop-gap at 2nd base until Pedroia was ready... Pedroia had a great year at AAA, so they feel he's now ready to take over. Understandable.

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  • DoubleX
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    Originally posted by Mattingly
    He doesn't turn 36 until August, so what was there that the Sox FO wasn't too crazy about? His stats? Age? Clubhouse demeanor?

    After they'd traded away Wake's catcher, Mirabelli, to get him, why'd they suddenly give him his walking papers?
    My guess is that the team was eager to make room for Pedroia and attempt to inject some homegrown youth into the lineup and that they didn't think it was wise to keep Loretta around as a utility player because he can't really play SS and 3B anymore and that maybe the team thought he would be more expensive than he ended up being. Still doesn't explain why they threw 4 million at Alex Cora though.

    Loretta was a stopgag to Pedroia. He served that purpose, and served it very well, and it only cost the team a backup catcher at the time. Though utilmately it really cost them Cla Meredith and Josh Bard. Still, not a bad trade given that Loretta performed very solidly for the Sox.

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  • Mattingly
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    Originally posted by EvanAparra
    Dude, the worst part of it is that a couple sources have said that Loretta would have take substanially less to stay in Boston.

    Loretta's agent said that he asked Sox brass ''Do you have any interest at any level at any dollar amount?' And basically the answer was no.' Why the heck not if you are going to give Cora 2 mil a year? Ridiculous if you ask me.
    He doesn't turn 36 until August, so what was there that the Sox FO wasn't too crazy about? His stats? Age? Clubhouse demeanor?

    After they'd traded away Wake's catcher, Mirabelli, to get him, why'd they suddenly give him his walking papers?

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  • DoubleX
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    Originally posted by Dogdaze
    Yeah I heard that too. Loretta really wanted to stay in Boston, we might have been able to sign him for less the Cora got. And the more I think about it, the more I think the Sox over payed Cora. I think DoubleX is right, Cora probably would have got similar money to what Miguel Cairo received as a FA had the Sox not resigned him.
    Don't get me wrong, signing Cora over Loretta is understandable in that Cora provides more defensive options, and in theory should have been significantly cheaper. It's that last part that leaves me scratching my head.

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  • Dogdaze
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    Originally posted by EvanAparra
    Dude, the worst part of it is that a couple sources have said that Loretta would have take substanially less to stay in Boston.

    Loretta's agent said that he asked Sox brass ''Do you have any interest at any level at any dollar amount?' And basically the answer was no.' Why the heck not if you are going to give Cora 2 mil a year? Ridiculous if you ask me.
    Yeah I heard that too. Loretta really wanted to stay in Boston, we might have been able to sign him for less the Cora got. And the more I think about it, the more I think the Sox over payed Cora. I think DoubleX is right, Cora probably would have got similar money to what Miguel Cairo received as a FA had the Sox not resigned him.

    Pedroia is still unproven, he hit .191 with 89 at bats for the Sox and may still need some AAA time to adjust. Cora has a good glove, and plays well in SS which is why I like him as a utility player but hit only .238 last year.

    So if Pedroia doesn't adjust as quickly as the Sox management hopes he will, Cora may be thrust in the role of starting 2nd baseman! Thats why I would have signed Loretta, as insurance.

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  • JordanDL3891
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    dont mean to be biased, but I wasn't to impressed with his 1 year with boston, I mean he's not a Robinson Cano or a Chase Utley. Then again, there aren't many good 2B's. So, I guess he didn't do bad, there could be worse.

    Though I was shocked that they picked him to replace Cano in the All-star game last year when Cano got injured.


    I agree with Pedroia, I think he will turn out to be a solid 2B, better than Loretta. Like someone said, you can't just put your young talent off, if you don't use them when they are ready, they won't get anywhere. Thats why I think people should trade there young players if they don't have room for them. Like if the yankees don't put Andy Phillips on the 25 man roster after spring trainning, he deserves to be traded, because he could be a starting 1B somewhere, but can't get a chance for being on a team like the Yankees.

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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by DoubleX
    That's a good point. It's not so much signing Cora instead of Loretta that I don't understand, it's the amount the Sox signed Cora for. 2 mil per seems awfully steep for a backup utility player that can't hit a lick and won't help you on the bases either. If Loretta, who is still a starting quality middle infielder, is getting just 2.5, I can't see how Cora can be justified at 2. I also think Cora is a slightly lesser player than Miguel Cairo, and Cairo just settled for a one year deal at 750,000. If not for the Sox offer, I think a deal similar to Cairo's would have been what he'd likely receive on the open market.
    Dude, the worst part of it is that a couple sources have said that Loretta would have take substanially less to stay in Boston.

    Loretta's agent said that he asked Sox brass ''Do you have any interest at any level at any dollar amount?' And basically the answer was no.' Why the heck not if you are going to give Cora 2 mil a year? Ridiculous if you ask me.

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  • DoubleX
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    Originally posted by EvanAparra
    Im pretty sure its because they feel Cora can back up SS better than Loretta can.
    That's a good point. It's not so much signing Cora instead of Loretta that I don't understand, it's the amount the Sox signed Cora for. 2 mil per seems awfully steep for a backup utility player that can't hit a lick and won't help you on the bases either. If Loretta, who is still a starting quality middle infielder, is getting just 2.5, I can't see how Cora can be justified at 2. I also think Cora is a slightly lesser player than Miguel Cairo, and Cairo just settled for a one year deal at 750,000. If not for the Sox offer, I think a deal similar to Cairo's would have been what he'd likely receive on the open market.

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  • Dogdaze
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    Originally posted by DoubleX
    Given that Mark Loretta signed with Houston for 2.5 million and Miguel Cairo just re-signed with the Yankees for 750,000, can someone explain to me why the Sox felt Alex Cora was worth 4 million over the next two years? I've been trying to figure it out, and I just can't. Loretta is a vastly superior player and he ended up getting just 500,000 more than Cora? I don't get it. Why not just go a little more for Loretta? He'd be much more worth the value. Cora's value should be much closer to Cairo's (I actually believe Cairo is a better player as well, though not by much).
    You do have a point DoubleX.

    If I was Theo, I would have resigned Loretta, have him split the 2nd base duties with Pedroia, maybe use Loretta in later innings, let Pedroia play the early innings something like that.

    Of course we may not have the roster space for both Loretta and Pedroia. But Loretta is a proven veteran, declining a bit, yes, but a proven player and an all star last year. So while I think Pedroia will be good this year, it's possible he may still need to time adjusting to the Major's and having Loretta available if needed would be nice.

    That being said, I will also say that I do like Cora in a utilities role, I just would have kept both Loretta and Cora, roster space permitting. So is Cora worth 2 mil a year? debatable, but given the over inflated market this year, maybe so.

    Anyway, I think Loretta will do well in Houston, and wish him the best of luck.
    Last edited by Dogdaze; 01-06-2007, 07:04 PM.

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  • EvanAparra
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    Im pretty sure its because they feel Cora can back up SS better than Loretta can.

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  • DoubleX
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    Given that Mark Loretta signed with Houston for 2.5 million and Miguel Cairo just re-signed with the Yankees for 750,000, can someone explain to me why the Sox felt Alex Cora was worth 4 million over the next two years? I've been trying to figure it out, and I just can't. Loretta is a vastly superior player and he ended up getting just 500,000 more than Cora? I don't get it. Why not just go a little more for Loretta? He'd be much more worth the value. Cora's value should be much closer to Cairo's (I actually believe Cairo is a better player as well, though not by much).

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  • SwissRedSoxFan
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    Lorettas power declined very much. He is still a good contact hitter.

    Pedroia is our top-position player prospect. Right?

    So give him 2-3 years and then I will start to make the math.

    I expect him having a .260 avg. 350 OBP. 8 HR, 50 RBI-season.

    Pedroia was known for his excellent patience in the minors, so his OBP could be even higher. Those nubers will be better in 2008.

    I think it is the right time to give the chance to Pedroia. He will have no pressure, he is the only rookie positional player on the team, he will bat 9th an everybody will support him.

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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by Charger567
    Evan, Loretta may not tear the cover off the ball, but when you are batting .300 there is no need for that. I personally don't really like Cora, Loretta was one of my favs on the team. Cora can't hit for his life, Loretta is an above average contact hitter.
    Charger, although he has been a .300 career hitter in his career, he hit .285 this past season, which was only .007 above the league average. His stats seem to be heavily inflated by Fenway, as he hit .261/.313/.309 away from home, which is absolutely terrible.

    My point being is that he's not that good of a hitter anymore, but next to Alex Cora he looks like Mickey Mantle.

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  • Charger567
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    Evan, Loretta may not tear the cover off the ball, but when you are batting .300 there is no need for that. I personally don't really like Cora, Loretta was one of my favs on the team. Cora can't hit for his life, Loretta is an above average contact hitter.

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  • EvanAparra
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    We gave Cora a 2yr-4million deal, couldnt fork over the extra 500,000 to get a utility guy that can actually hit?

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