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    Just looking for a few opinons on this:

    What do you think of the Red Sox retired number policy? The policy states that the player:

    1. Must be a Hall of Famer
    2. Must have played at least 10 seasons with the Red Sox
    Here is the kicker, and the part that I feel is just ridiculous...
    3.Must finish their career with the team.

    Looking for everyones opinion.

    Scott

  • #2
    Let me guess...you want Roger Clemens' number retired, right? That said, I think number 3 is a tad silly.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by CurseReversed04
      Just looking for a few opinons on this:

      What do you think of the Red Sox retired number policy? The policy states that the player:

      1. Must be a Hall of Famer
      2. Must have played at least 10 seasons with the Red Sox
      Here is the kicker, and the part that I feel is just ridiculous...
      3.Must finish their career with the team.

      Looking for everyones opinion.

      Scott
      My general response to this is that I think it should be extremely difficult to retire a number. Taking a look at a certain other organization, Ron Guidry is an example of what shouldn't happen when looking at numbers to retire, IMO.

      That being said, I also think a player can have a value to a certain ballclub that might not be fully understood by other teams, so...h
      "Anything less would not have been worthy of me. Anything more would not have been possible." - Carl Yastrzemski

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dalkowski110
        Let me guess...you want Roger Clemens' number retired, right? That said, I think number 3 is a tad silly.
        I agree #3 is silly, too...it keeps Clemens, Boggs, and Evans from ever getting their numbers retired (not that I think Evans will make the HOF, but still).
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        • #5
          Here is my problem. It is one thing to be selective when retiring numbers, it is another thing to make it next to impossible. Let me give you an example of why this bothers me so much. When Carlton Fisk was elected to the HOF, the Sox front office decided to cash in by retiring his number. One problem however...he did not finish his career with the Red Sox. Any Sox fan will remember the contract debacle that eventually sent him to the White Sox. How did the Sox get around this? They created a front office job for him so that he could "finish his baseball career" with the Red Sox. Now I am not saying that we should run out and put Calvin Shiraldi's number up with Williams and Yaz, but can we at least come up with something that is a little more attainable, and something that makes a little more sense.

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          • #6
            And by the way...I think that Evans should be in the HOF!

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            • #7
              I meant to agree in my last response that #3 on your list doesn't make a lot of sense. If a ballclub is manufacturing ways to make a fit, then there's a problem somewhere.
              "Anything less would not have been worthy of me. Anything more would not have been possible." - Carl Yastrzemski

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              • #8
                I think Clemens will end is career in a Boston uniform..in some way, shape or capacity. I just hope they have a little more integrity and can sign him to a 1 day contract or something, not create a phony job for him so he can retire like that. Go out in style, sign a 1 day contract before you hang 'em up. Do what Jerry Rice did..go sign back with the team that made you who you were and retire..it's the right thing to do and I hope Roger realizes that.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rwolfe09
                  I think Clemens will end is career in a Boston uniform..in some way, shape or capacity. I just hope they have a little more integrity and can sign him to a 1 day contract or something, not create a phony job for him so he can retire like that. Go out in style, sign a 1 day contract before you hang 'em up. Do what Jerry Rice did..go sign back with the team that made you who you were and retire..it's the right thing to do and I hope Roger realizes that.
                  You don't see this in baseball much (or to my knowledge, ever). Not sure if it's against the rules, or if just nobody ever does it. Or, am I wrong, and it has been done? Anyone know?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mike D.
                    You don't see this in baseball much (or to my knowledge, ever). Not sure if it's against the rules, or if just nobody ever does it. Or, am I wrong, and it has been done? Anyone know?

                    You might get a kick out of this, Mike:

                    http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/n...ory?id=2523029
                    "Anything less would not have been worthy of me. Anything more would not have been possible." - Carl Yastrzemski

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mike D.
                      You don't see this in baseball much (or to my knowledge, ever). Not sure if it's against the rules, or if just nobody ever does it. Or, am I wrong, and it has been done? Anyone know?
                      This practice was fairly common back in the days when a player needed to have five seasons in to be eligible for a pension. Players who who were short would be signed as a coach and then activated to the roster to get the days they needed or they would be signed to a short term deal, get their time in and be released (or retire)..

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                      • #12
                        I agree that #3 is very limiting...but then again, not many numbers should be retired. Retiring a player's number means that that guy was the Red Sox for a number of years. Personally, as fantastic a pitcher and as great a Boston icon as Clemens was for those years with the Sox, I don't feel that he's as elite a Red Sox hero as Williams, Yaz, Fisk, etc.

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                        • #13
                          What about Fisk, I thought he retired a White Sox?

                          I like that we dont just retire every Tom, Dick, and John that comes through here like our brothers in New York. They're going to flip their odometer soon.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SoxSon
                            You might get a kick out of this, Mike:

                            http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/n...ory?id=2523029
                            Remember seeing that when it happened...good stuff. BTW, if anyone is ever in KC, hit the Negro League Museum...it's well worth it!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JamesWest
                              This practice was fairly common back in the days when a player needed to have five seasons in to be eligible for a pension. Players who who were short would be signed as a coach and then activated to the roster to get the days they needed or they would be signed to a short term deal, get their time in and be released (or retire)..
                              Interesting...I wasn't aware of that. Do you know of anyone off-hand who did it? I know there used to be a lot of "player/coach" types back in the old days.
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