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yes, i mean this year.. i know very well how good he USED to be, i know of the gold gloves, etc... i'm ASSUMING that the original post made was about this year, so my response was for this year...
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Manny is a truly horrible fielder. The problem isn't the bonehead gaffes (whether scored an error or not, depending on type), but the dozens of balls he never gets close to. That said, I do think he tries and has made some very nice plays. He's just a very limited athlete and not very bright.
p.s. I don't want to argue with any Manny fans. I like him, I really do.BOSTON RED SOX WORLD CHAMPIONS 1903 • 1912 • 1915 • 1916 • 1918 •2004 • 2007
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Originally posted by AstrosFan View PostI am aware he has a reputation as a bad fielder, but has he been worse than usual this year?BOSTON RED SOX WORLD CHAMPIONS 1903 • 1912 • 1915 • 1916 • 1918 •2004 • 2007
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Originally posted by MudvilleMike View PostManny is a truly horrible fielder. The problem isn't the bonehead gaffes (whether scored an error or not, depending on type), but the dozens of balls he never gets close to. That said, I do think he tries and has made some very nice plays. He's just a very limited athlete and not very bright.
p.s. I don't want to argue with any Manny fans. I like him, I really do."Bats - I'm going to tell you a secret - I'm good and I'm getting better. I can't stand it I'm so good." Ted Williams to catcher Matt Batts Spring Training 1949.
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Originally posted by hellborn View PostWell, I'm sure that Manny concentrates better in the big games, but I can point to a certain WS Game 1 that was a little bit rough. I thought that Keith Foulke was going to head out to LF and box Manny's ears.
Luckily, a certain slugging 2Bman took the heat off Manny by clanging one off the RF foul pole the next half inning....
Manny is legendary for working like nobody else on his hitting. I don't think that ethic extends to his glovework, but he is definitely better than he used to be.
Manny's sliding boner where he took that huge divot and toppled over is now featured on a greatest bloopers DVD. We can laugh about it now, but it wasn't all that funny when it happened. I came unglued, as I'm sure lots of us did.
Thank goodness for Mark Bellhorn's homer that you mentioned, the one that rattled the foul pole and put us back on top to stay.
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Thinking back to that pratfall in the WS, at the moment that it happened I wasn't sure if Manny was going to get up -- it looked as if he had hyperextended one knee and sprained the other, and it was actually with a sense of relief that I watched him scramble after the ball he'd missed. It was only an error -- not two busted legs.
I have read in so many places that Manny works on his defense, and has said that he wishes that he were better with the glove. It's just not the best part of his game (by a mile!)... still, I'd rather see him out there than Wily Mo.
Anyone ever read "The Tao of Manny", an essay from 2004 on the Remy Report by A. Knoefel Longest? His bat is the yin, his glove is the yang.--Annie
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Originally posted by DickZ View PostSent by wireless internet from an unwired cave in southern Virginia:
Manny's sliding boner where he took that huge divot and toppled over is now featured on a greatest bloopers DVD. We can laugh about it now, but it wasn't all that funny when it happened. I came unglued, as I'm sure lots of us did.
Thank goodness for Mark Bellhorn's homer that you mentioned, the one that rattled the foul pole and put us back on top to stay.
Discover any new species of blind salamander down there?
Manny's pratfall took place just after he ran by Renteria's ground ball single to let a run in...guess he wanted to prove that he could mess up pop flies, too. The play on Walker's ball wasn't trivial, but you couldn't play it much worse than Manny did. Unless you whacked it hard enough in the air to knock it over the Monster (Canseco could probably do that).
Earlier in that half inning, Marquis was inserted as a PR and promptly tripped his way down to 2B and plopped on the base like it was beanbag chair. Some of his teammates were laughing hysterically on the bench after that. Looking back, it is all pretty comical, but I was almost apoplectic over Manny...there is classic footage of a Bosox fan with his hand on his forehead and the most anguished look on his face in the stands.
Hellborn had the RF foul pole zoned in for a couple of games there, also banged it in the ALCS game 7 (prompting McCarver to say that the ensuing rattling was "the worst sound he'd ever heard"). He did a good job spraying his XB hits around the field during that hot steak...homered to LF to support Schilling, the 2 extreme pull HRs to RF, and the laser 2B off the wall in CF.
Annie, never read "The Tao of Manny", but I'd bet that it's good. If you haven't seen "The Tao of Baseball" by Go, it is a very thoughtful, interesting, and serious book...Bill Bob says check it out!Last edited by hellborn; 08-28-2007, 07:22 AM."I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial
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Originally posted by hellborn View PostHey DickZ,
Discover any new species of blind salamander down there?
Manny's pratfall took place just after he ran by Renteria's ground ball single to let a run in...guess he wanted to prove that he could mess up pop flies, too. The play on Walker's ball wasn't trivial, but you couldn't play it much worse than Manny did. Unless you whacked it hard enough in the air to knock it over the Monster (Canseco could probably do that)...
Hellborn had the RF foul pole zoned in for a couple of games there, also banged it in the ALCS game 7 (prompting McCarver to say that the ensuing rattling was "the worst sound he'd ever heard"). He did a good job spraying his XB hits around the field during that hot steak...homered to LF to support Schilling, the 2 extreme pull HRs to RF, and the laser 2B off the wall in CF.
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I haven't seen any blind salamanders in here, but there are lots of Red Sox fans in this cave who are prematurely planning their World Series victory celebrations, and lots of others who are prematurely convinced we won't even make it to the playoffs. Some people are in both groups, switching back and forth depending on what happened the night before. Those are the two groups I was trying to get away from by hiding in this cave in the first place, so maybe I'll just leave now and won't wait for our ten-game lead to be restored.
Yes, Manny had errors on two consecutive plays which surrendered our early lead in World Series Game 1. I'm sure I was just as anguished as that fan in the stands. Our nerves were all still quite jangled from the gut-wrenching ALCS.
And yes, I also remember both of Bellhorn's foul-pole homers, and I remember thinking it was close to the BEST sound I've ever heard despite McCarver's comments. Very much like beautiful music.
Your cousin Mark was a great example of why patience is necessary - remember all the chants for POKEY - POKEY - POKEY? Pokey couldn't have rattled the foul-poles like that - nor could he have hit that kid sitting in the first row of the left field stands in Yankee Stadium in ALCS Game 6, which made the Bloody Sock Victory possible.Last edited by DickZ; 08-28-2007, 07:56 AM.
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Originally posted by DickZ View PostHellborn,
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Your cousin Mark was a great example of why patience is necessary - remember all the chants for POKEY - POKEY - POKEY? Pokey couldn't have rattled the foul-poles like that - nor could he have hit that kid sitting in the first row of the left field stands in Yankee Stadium in ALCS Game 6, which made the Bloody Sock Victory possible.
I time I really liked Schilling opening his mouth was when he spoke up in defense of Bellhorn in that postseason...more or less said that the sportswriters didn't seem to appreciate him, but his teammates sure did."I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial
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I know this is an old thread, but a buddy and I were discussing Manny's glove, and his desire vs. abilities. Most of these original posters are no longer around, but anyone currently here have a point of view on whether most of Manny's failings were laziness or lack of range and judgment?Play the Who am I? game in trivia and you can make this signature line yours for 3 days (baseball signatures only!)
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Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View PostI know this is an old thread, but a buddy and I were discussing Manny's glove, and his desire vs. abilities. Most of these original posters are no longer around, but anyone currently here have a point of view on whether most of Manny's failings were laziness or lack of range and judgment?
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Manny was not the worst fielder ever, but I would rate him less than average.
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