Announcement

Collapse

Updated Baseball Fever Policy

Baseball Fever Policy

I. Purpose of this announcement:

This announcement describes the policies pertaining to the operation of Baseball Fever.

Baseball Fever is a moderated baseball message board which encourages and facilitates research and information exchange among fans of our national pastime. The intent of the Baseball Fever Policy is to ensure that Baseball Fever remains an extremely high quality, extremely low "noise" environment.

Baseball Fever is administrated by three principal administrators:
webmaster - Baseball Fever Owner
The Commissioner - Baseball Fever Administrator
Macker - Baseball Fever Administrator

And a group of forum specific super moderators. The role of the moderator is to keep Baseball Fever smoothly and to screen posts for compliance with our policy. The moderators are ALL volunteer positions, so please be patient and understanding of any delays you might experience in correspondence.

II. Comments about our policy:

Any suggestions on this policy may be made directly to the webmaster.

III. Acknowledgments:

This document was based on a similar policy used by SABR.

IV. Requirements for participation on Baseball Fever:

Participation on Baseball Fever is available to all baseball fans with a valid email address, as verified by the forum's automated system, which then in turn creates a single validated account. Multiple accounts by a single user are prohibited.

By registering, you agree to adhere to the policies outlined in this document and to conduct yourself accordingly. Abuse of the forum, by repeated failure to abide by these policies, will result in your access being blocked to the forum entirely.

V. Baseball Fever Netiquette:

Participants at Baseball Fever are required to adhere to these principles, which are outlined in this section.
a. All posts to Baseball Fever should be written in clear, concise English, with proper grammar and accurate spelling. The use of abbreviations should be kept to a minimum; when abbreviation is necessary, they should be either well-known (such as etc.), or explained on their first use in your post.

b. Conciseness is a key attribute of a good post.

c. Quote only the portion of a post to which you are responding.

d. Standard capitalization and punctuation make a large difference in the readability of a post. TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS is considered to be "shouting"; it is a good practice to limit use of all capitals to words which you wish to emphasize.

e. It is our policy NOT to transmit any defamatory or illegal materials.

f. Personal attacks of any type against Baseball Fever readers will not be tolerated. In these instances the post will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the personal attack via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue personal attacks will be banned from the site.

g. It is important to remember that many contextual clues available in face-to-face discussion, such as tone of voice and facial expression, are lost in the electronic forum. As a poster, try to be alert for phrasing that might be misinterpreted by your audience to be offensive; as a reader, remember to give the benefit of the doubt and not to take umbrage too easily. There are many instances in which a particular choice of words or phrasing can come across as being a personal attack where none was intended.

h. The netiquette described above (a-g) often uses the term "posts", but applies equally to Private Messages.

VI. Baseball Fever User Signature Policy

A signature is a piece of text that some members may care to have inserted at the end of ALL of their posts, a little like the closing of a letter. You can set and / or change your signature by editing your profile in the UserCP. Since it is visible on ALL your posts, the following policy must be adhered to:

Signature Composition
Font size limit: No larger than size 2 (This policy is a size 2)
Style: Bold and italics are permissible
Character limit: No more than 500 total characters
Lines: No more than 4 lines
Colors: Most colors are permissible, but those which are hard to discern against the gray background (yellow, white, pale gray) should be avoided
Images/Graphics: Allowed, but nothing larger than 20k and Content rules must be followed

Signature Content
No advertising is permitted
Nothing political or religious
Nothing obscene, vulgar, defamatory or derogatory
Links to personal blogs/websites are permissible - with the webmaster's written consent
A Link to your Baseball Fever Blog does not require written consent and is recommended
Quotes must be attributed. Non-baseball quotes are permissible as long as they are not religious or political

Please adhere to these rules when you create your signature. Failure to do so will result in a request to comply by a moderator. If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, the signature will be removed and / or edited by an Administrator. Baseball Fever reserves the right to edit and / or remove any or all of your signature line at any time without contacting the account holder.

VII. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam-related, pornography-based, or a "visit-my-site" type post / private message, no warning at all will be provided, and the member will be banned immediately without a warning.

It is considered appropriate to post a URL to a page which specifically and directly answers a question posted on the list (for example, it would be permissible to post a link to a page containing home-road splits, even on a site which has advertising or other commercial content; however, it would not be appropriate to post the URL of the main page of the site). The site reserves the right to limit the frequency of such announcements by any individual or group.

In keeping with our test for a proper topic, posting to Baseball Fever should be treated as if you truly do care. This includes posting information that is, to the best of your knowledge, complete and accurate at the time you post. Any errors or ambiguities you catch later should be acknowledged and corrected in the thread, since Baseball Fever is sometimes considered to be a valuable reference for research information.

VIII. Role of the moderator:

When a post is submitted to Baseball Fever, it is forwarded by the server automatically and seen immediately. The moderator may:
a. Leave the thread exactly like it was submitted. This is the case 95% of the time.

b. Immediately delete the thread as inappropriate for Baseball Fever. Examples include advertising, personal attacks, or spam. This is the case 1% of the time.

c. Move the thread. If a member makes a post about the Marlins in the Yankees forum it will be moved to the appropriate forum. This is the case 3% of the time.

d. Edit the message due to an inappropriate item. This is the case 1% of the time. There have been new users who will make a wonderful post, then add to their signature line (where your name / handle appears) a tagline that is a pure advertisement. This tagline will be removed, a note will be left in the message so he/she is aware of the edit, and personal contact will be made to the poster telling them what has been edited and what actions need to be taken to prevent further edits.

The moderators perform no checks on posts to verify factual or logical accuracy. While he/she may point out gross errors in factual data in replies to the thread, the moderator does not act as an "accuracy" editor. Also moderation is not a vehicle for censorship of individuals and/or opinions, and the moderator's decisions should not be taken personally.

IX. Legal aspects of participation in Baseball Fever:

By submitting a post to Baseball Fever, you grant Baseball Fever permission to distribute your message to the forum. Other rights pertaining to the post remain with the ORIGINAL author, and you may not redistribute or retransmit any posts by any others, in whole or in part, without the express consent of the original author.

The messages appearing on Baseball Fever contain the opinions and views of their respective authors and are not necessarily those of Baseball Fever, or of the Baseball Almanac family of sites.

Sincerely,

Sean Holtz, Webmaster of Baseball Almanac & Baseball Fever
www.baseball-almanac.com | www.baseball-fever.com
"Baseball Almanac: Sharing Baseball. Sharing History."
See more
See less

Phil Todt, Most Underrated Red Sox Player?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Phil Todt, Most Underrated Red Sox Player?

    The fans here are likely to know more about him, but to most fans, if they ever heard the name of Phil Todt in their lives, it was in the context of the possibly contemplated trade for Lou Gehrig. SABR thinks it happened, and so did Todt's obituaries, but I'm not ready to say in court that it happened, since I wasn't there.

    However, Phil Todt was much more than just a guy who is unfavorably and unfairly compared to history's greatest first baseman. He had the unenviable role of being the best player, again and again, on baseball's worst team, which at that time, unfortunately, was quite consistently the Red Sox.

    For personal info, he had a German father and his last name is German for "dead". This macabre name fit rather well, since he was actually born in a funeral home. His father, you see, was superintendent of a cemetery.

    He entered the Major Leagues in 1924. Trade rumors aside, his offense was slightly above average. His batting average was adequate, he made contact well and bunted very well and while his power numbers might seem small, this was because of Fenway Park. He hit 41 home runs on the road, versus just 16 at home.

    It was his fielding, however, that really stood out. There was some element of luck in it, in that the Red Sox often had all right-handed starters and faced more left-handed hitters than average, which would result in many pitches being pulled down the first base line. However, the Red Sox middle infield in those years failed to capitalize that well on the right-handed pitching and was only slightly above average at turning double plays, so Todt did not get an inordinate amount of help from them, and his range was too enormous to be luck alone.

    His 1926 season, in which the Red Sox did have a left-handed starter, was among the best defensive performances by any first baseman ever. He had the third most putouts in a season ever, led AL first basemen in putouts by 189 over second place, and led them in assists by 27. His range was 1.29 over second place, moreover. Suffice it to say that he was a very, very valuable defensive player.

    The only major flaw on his professional resume, other than the bad luck of playing on losing teams, is his short career, but the decision to send him back to the minors never to return to MLB is questionable at best. He had one somewhat off year in 1931, but still not that bad, and then played consistently excellent AA ball through 1939. All in all, he was undoubtedly an above-average player and the best defensive first baseman that the Red Sox had between Stuffy McInnis and George Scott.

    After retiring, he ran a flower shop and worked with the St. Louis Bowling Association. He was born and died in that same city, and passed away, age 72, in 1973. We have to wonder: If Phil Todt had been a Red Sox player in any other era, what would his career have been? With more support from a better team from the start, better hitters behind and ahead of him in the lineup and better fielders to relay the ball to him, and also adjusting for the ballpark, he would probably have had more of a Chris Chambliss or Wally Joyner kind of career.

    "They don't think it be like it is, but it do."- Oscar Gamble

  • #2
    This is an easy one for me. It's Dwight Evans. He has almost matching offensive statistics to Jim Rice and yet Dewy, who was a much better fielder than Rice, will never get the respect he deserves.
    Ken Fougère

    Comment


    • #3
      I agree that Evans should be in the Hall of Fame. Still, it might have been even tougher to be the best player on those bad teams after they sold Ruth.
      "They don't think it be like it is, but it do."- Oscar Gamble

      Comment


      • #4
        Another underrated Red Sox was Reggie Smith. Excellent all around player. Hit for power, average, knew how to get on base and was an excellent CF.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Steve Jeltz View Post
          Another underrated Red Sox was Reggie Smith. Excellent all around player. Hit for power, average, knew how to get on base and was an excellent CF.

          Yes, I agree. #7 was a very good center-fielder.
          Ken Fougère

          Comment


          • #6
            Yes, Reggie Smith was underrated most of all by the Red Sox's prejudiced owner, Tom Yawkey. I would guess that his bad trade of Reggie Smith cost the Red Sox the '75 World Series, just as Yawkey's failure to acquire as many talented African-American players as possible likely cost the Red Sox the '67 series and Yawkey trusting Cronin lying about Pee Wee Reese (though that's mostly Cronin's fault, but still, why would you implicitly trust the scouting report of a man in the position of having to replace himself in the lineup?!) probably cost the Red Sox the '46 World Series.

            Honestly, if I had to deselect one baseball executive from the Hall, I would keep Morgan Bulkeley and kick out Tom Yawkey, not as a social or moral judgment, but simply because his lack of intelligence and common sense cost his team three World Series victories and probably many more pennants. I won't judge the man as a man, but as a baseball owner, he was even more short-sighted than Harry Frazee or Charlie Comiskey.
            "They don't think it be like it is, but it do."- Oscar Gamble

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Happy Chimp View Post
              ...I would guess that his bad trade of Reggie Smith cost the Red Sox the '75 World Series...
              I would argue your premise for the obvious reason that in 1975 the Red Sox had the Rookie of the Year and AL MVP playing CF. Can't get much better than that. I also think that the biggest reason we lost the World Series that year was that Jim Rice couldn't play in both the ALCS and WS due to a wrist injury.


              Ken Fougère

              Comment


              • #8
                Reggie Smith usually played right field, but I don't see any reason he couldn't have filled in at left. Smith could also have played third. Petrocelli was okay, but nowhere near as good as Smith. Smith, since he threw right-handed, was not ideally suited for first, but he could have played that with Yastrzemski at third. Just having Smith on the team in '75 would have been a big advantage.

                The guys they traded Smith for... Rick Wise had a winning record because the Red Sox did, but an ERA+ of 105 in 1975, so nothing outstanding. Bernie Carbo was always a part-time player, and got 82 hits and 154 total bases that year, compared to 144 hits and 233 total bases for Smith. The '75 Red Sox had a few good pitchers, but not all that much depth, other than Moret having a career year, and I see why: Yawkey made another bad trade in 1973 (possibly out of prejudice) by sending Lynn McGlothen, the only man who could have played the 200+ innings that were needed to fill Wise's shoes for Reggie Cleveland (it was more complex than that, as it was 3 men for 3 men, but they were the most notable ones), who by '75 was running out of steam and could no longer start games at McGlothen's pace.

                So if the Red Sox had the extra pitching endurance of McGlothen in 1975, a year in which he pitched 69 more innings than Cleveland, and had Reggie Smith instead of Bernie Carbo, I would say they would have had a much better chance in the World Series.

                There's even more: The rest of that 6-man trade involved giving up the competent starter John Curtis and Mike Garman, who had a little ability as a reliever, for Terry Hughes, who batted .209 in 86 Major League at-bats, and Diego Segui, whose career was essentially over by then. This... wow, I do not know what Tom Yawkey was thinking.
                "They don't think it be like it is, but it do."- Oscar Gamble

                Comment


                • #9
                  In 1967 Smith was their regular CF. Tony C. and then Ken Harrelson played RF. Rico was the SS and Joe Foy was the 3rd baseman. Why would Smith play LF when Yaz was Superman out there?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I was talking about 1975, not 1967.
                    "They don't think it be like it is, but it do."- Oscar Gamble

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Happy Chimp View Post
                      Reggie Smith usually played right field, but I don't see any reason he couldn't have filled in at left. Smith could also have played third. Petrocelli was okay, but nowhere near as good as Smith. Smith, since he threw right-handed, was not ideally suited for first, but he could have played that with Yastrzemski at third. Just having Smith on the team in '75 would have been a big advantage.
                      In 1973, Yaz committed 12 errors in 31 games at 3B, so I don't believe he would have worked at the hot corner in 1975.

                      Question regarding Yawkey: How involved was he in with player transactions in the early 1970's? I always believed GM Dick O'Connell was the one who pulled the triggers on the trades. Was Yawkey ordering O'Connell to make certain trades?

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Reggie Smith wasn't underrated at all in Boston. He was just under-appreciated.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Steve Jeltz View Post

                          In 1973, Yaz committed 12 errors in 31 games at 3B, so I don't believe he would have worked at the hot corner in 1975.

                          Question regarding Yawkey: How involved was he in with player transactions in the early 1970's? I always believed GM Dick O'Connell was the one who pulled the triggers on the trades. Was Yawkey ordering O'Connell to make certain trades?
                          Well, I know that if a Black player was traded away, Yawkey probably had something to do with it, since he wouldn't integrate until threatened with a lawsuit and kept elements of segregation on the team into the 1970's. I don't know to what extent he was responsible for other trading decisions, though.
                          "They don't think it be like it is, but it do."- Oscar Gamble

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Happy Chimp View Post
                            Yes, Reggie Smith was underrated most of all by the Red Sox's prejudiced owner, Tom Yawkey. I would guess that his bad trade of Reggie Smith cost the Red Sox the '75 World Series, just as Yawkey's failure to acquire as many talented African-American players as possible likely cost the Red Sox the '67 series and Yawkey trusting Cronin lying about Pee Wee Reese (though that's mostly Cronin's fault, but still, why would you implicitly trust the scouting report of a man in the position of having to replace himself in the lineup?!) probably cost the Red Sox the '46 World Series.

                            Honestly, if I had to deselect one baseball executive from the Hall, I would keep Morgan Bulkeley and kick out Tom Yawkey, not as a social or moral judgment, but simply because his lack of intelligence and common sense cost his team three World Series victories and probably many more pennants. I won't judge the man as a man, but as a baseball owner, he was even more short-sighted than Harry Frazee or Charlie Comiskey.
                            I totally agree with you on all accounts. I continue to scratch my head over WHY Yawkey was elected to the HOF as an executive.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ThanksTheo View Post

                              I totally agree with you on all accounts. I continue to scratch my head over WHY Yawkey was elected to the HOF as an executive.
                              I was old enough to follow baseball in the 1970s. By then the image of him was the long suffering, devoted elderly owner who spent a lot of his money to try to bring a winner to a cursed franchise. The image was more kindly grandpa than anything else. Presumably the people who had a different opinion of him from when he was young or middle aged were all dead or past the age of bickering about such matters.

                              Comment

                              Ad Widget

                              Collapse
                              Working...
                              X