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  • Dogdaze
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    Originally posted by Matt1901 View Post
    I wouldn't have said that it was way too much in 2004. He was a big reason the Red Sox won the World Series, and that is worth a lot of money. The investment in Manny more than paid off.

    Manny was pretty good for someone who had a "dismal year" as his OPS+ was higher than Mike Lowell's.
    Agreed, in today's market, after seeing Hunter get 18 million per year. Manny's contract doesn't look that bad, and yeah he was/is worth the investment.

    And while Manny is getting up there in age, he still produces, as Matt pointed out, and is still a very valuable player for our team. So unless he declines badly in 2008, I'm predicting he'll be in a Sox uniform for 2009.

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  • Matt1901
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    Originally posted by Boston Boxer View Post
    i would say a few years ago, the $20 mil was way too much...but now with the market the way it is, i say $20 mil is about right
    I wouldn't have said that it was way too much in 2004. He was a big reason the Red Sox won the World Series, and that is worth a lot of money. The investment in Manny more than paid off.

    Manny was pretty good for someone who had a "dismal year" as his OPS+ was higher than Mike Lowell's.

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  • Boston Boxer
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    Originally posted by adam1990 View Post
    You got to think Manny will be gone. Sure he's offered us power, and protected Ortiz better than anyone else (which is why we should not trade him now) and I don't want to trade him at all (although unless he's guaranteed to leave), but it's time for him to go after his contract is up. His 20 million contract is a deep hole within this team. Unless we signed him for less money, I say let him go. Ortiz's power may be diminished, but he will not be bad. I think Theo will let Manny go because he doesn't help the team stay any younger or rebuild when necessary. I give Manny all the credit so far, but when his contract is done, I say let him go. Until then, keep him on our team.
    i would say a few years ago, the $20 mil was way too much...but now with the market the way it is, i say $20 mil is about right

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  • PWNdroia
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    You got to think Manny will be gone. Sure he's offered us power, and protected Ortiz better than anyone else (which is why we should not trade him now) and I don't want to trade him at all (although unless he's guaranteed to leave), but it's time for him to go after his contract is up. His 20 million contract is a deep hole within this team. Unless we signed him for less money, I say let him go. Ortiz's power may be diminished, but he will not be bad. I think Theo will let Manny go because he doesn't help the team stay any younger or rebuild when necessary. I give Manny all the credit so far, but when his contract is done, I say let him go. Until then, keep him on our team.
    Last edited by PWNdroia; 12-13-2007, 06:54 AM.

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  • Boston Boxer
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    Originally posted by MudvilleMike View Post
    The fundamental problem is that Manny is a DH and we already have a DH. I think I'd just let him go after this year.
    I think Manny is one of the greatest LF to ever play the wall at Fenway. Sure, he may have some gaffs here and there, but he is not a bad LF IMO

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  • Dogdaze
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    Originally posted by Imgran View Post
    That's incredibly oversimplistic. There's a reason we put up with Manny's mediocre glove in left, and it's not because we can't find other left fielders who could defend better than he does. Even if sabermetrically his defense cancels out his own run creation he stretches out the lineup, provides protection to Ortiz, and probably defends a bit better than the numbers indicate, especially at Fenway.
    Good points. Oh, and a belated welcome Imgran.

    I know Manny is no gold glover, but I feel he's a better fielder then some give him credit for, particularly at Fenway.

    Manny has been very valuable for the Sox, the protection he provides for Big Papi would be difficult to replace, not to mention the production he brings to our lineup.

    Manny did show some slugging decline in 2007 but he was 36 years old and age eventually catches up with all of us. But that being said, if Manny is productive in 2008 as I believe he will be, I'm guessing the Sox will pick up his option for 2009.

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  • efin98
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    Originally posted by Jager View Post
    Yeah, but last year was the first time in 5 years that he hasn't requested a trade. Their is probably a decent chance he'll ask for a trade at some point.
    There's a reason why he was quiet, he just might get the trade now that the market caught up with his contract and teams might be willing to actually take on his deal...

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  • Jager
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    Originally posted by Imgran View Post
    Yes, he's a 10-5.

    Yeah, but last year was the first time in 5 years that he hasn't requested a trade. Their is probably a decent chance he'll ask for a trade at some point.

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  • Imgran
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    Originally posted by Silver Blaze View Post
    Does he have a no-trade clause - full or partial?
    Yes, he's a 10-5.

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  • Silver Blaze
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    Originally posted by Jager View Post
    Just letting him go would be a terrible idea. He would almost definetely end up on the Yankees. I say after this year, we exercise the team option, and attempt to trade him, because at least then we can control what team he goes to, and likely they would want to have him for a few years.
    Does he have a no-trade clause - full or partial?

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  • Jager
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    Originally posted by MudvilleMike View Post
    The fundamental problem is that Manny is a DH and we already have a DH. I think I'd just let him go after this year.

    Just letting him go would be a terrible idea. He would almost definetely end up on the Yankees. I say after this year, we exercise the team option, and attempt to trade him, because at least then we can control what team he goes to, and likely they would want to have him for a few years.

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  • Imgran
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    Originally posted by MudvilleMike View Post
    The fundamental problem is that Manny is a DH and we already have a DH. I think I'd just let him go after this year.
    That's incredibly oversimplistic. There's a reason we put up with Manny's mediocre glove in left, and it's not because we can't find other left fielders who could defend better than he does. Even if sabermetrically his defense cancels out his own run creation he stretches out the lineup, provides protection to Ortiz, and probably defends a bit better than the numbers indicate, especially at Fenway.

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  • MudvilleMike
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    The fundamental problem is that Manny is a DH and we already have a DH. I think I'd just let him go after this year.

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  • Silver Blaze
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    Originally posted by king_ghidora View Post
    If I recall correctly, this is the last year on Manny's contract. Frankly, I'm amazed Theo hasn't moved him to a power-starved team that could DH him like the Angels or the Mariners. Nevertheless, what do people think will happen to Manny after this season? I'm sure his preference would be to continue playing left field, but I can't imagine very many teams giving him a chance at that, which would limit him to the AL. The Yankees will have an opening at DH after this season with Giambi gone, and Manny was raised in New York. I believe the Blue Jays will be done with Frank Thomas' awful contract too, and Manny was actually a Blue Jays fan growing up. The Angels would seem more likely if Vlad wasn't so likely to be pushed out of the outfield by next year, and I don't imagine Manny vibing well in Seattle. Anything else out there?
    I'm sure the Yankees would love to take Manny, just like they took Damon, to improve their own lineup while weakening Boston's - and that would put a huge dent in the heart of the Red Sox lineup.

    I am in agreement that Manny should stay in the AL and play most games as the DH.

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  • FlashGordon
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    Originally posted by TonyStarks View Post
    The Sox still hold the 2009 and 2010 Options @ $20M a piece.
    You might want to pick up the 2009 and then after that sign him to a new deal for 2-3 years or so depending on his health.
    I think that sounds like a very real possibility. With A-Rod set to pull down nearly $30 million per year, being able to seal up Manny for 2 more seasons at $20 million per doesn't sound so crazy anymore. I also think that dangling the possibility of an extension that overrides the 2nd option year might be enough to keep Manny from checking out in the hopes that the Sox decline the option and let him seek greener pastures elsewhere.

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