Nomar a Cub???

[Kdub Red Sox Fan 4Life]

I was listening to WSCR 670 "the score", ( a Chicago sports/talk station ) last night on my way to work and heard yet another rumored trade involving Nomar. I must say it actually didn't sound THAT crazy. As you know most trade rumors are pretty goofy.

I'm curious to know what you think of it and if anyone else has heard it yet.

The proposed trade is a straight up 1 for 1. Nomar Garciaparra for Matt Clement. They are both FA's at the end of the year and would seem to help each club.

Your thoughts please.

[Kdub Red Sox Fan 4Life]

Well now it has actually happened. Nomar IS a Cub. I was hoping that they would be able to get pitching for him, but apparently this is the best deal they could make. Cabrera to play short and Mienkiewicz to play 1st.

The question is are they done?

So, what do we think of this trade.?

I personally will wait before I have an opinion. I will say however I am NOT at all surprised Nomar was traded. There was obviosly no way he could/would be re-signed, and it seems that he couldn't wait to leave given everything that has happened. Also, when it was reported that the Red Sox had told him he wouldn't be traded, and then in the last few days i saw that it was 99% likely that he'd be staying, I just had a feeling they would find a way to make a deal.

I, like most people, even Sox fans, maybe especially Sox fans, have learned not to believe a word that comes from Sox ownership or the media. I'll believe it when I see it.

So, goodbye Nomar and good luck. I wish it could have turned out differently.

[rudy]

Geez,

Even I can't believe that Nomah is no longer a Red Sox. I can't believe the trade that was made!

Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientsadfkjasdfad? You can't be happy with this trade, Red Sox fans, can you?

[Kdub Red Sox Fan 4Life]

No. Not happy. The more it sinks in the less I like it. :grouchy This was the best Theo could do?

I know the Sox' hands were tied to a point, in that they felt they had to trade him, but c'mon, this was the best they could do? Where's the pitching help??????????

Congratulations Theo and the rest of the Boston Red Sox front office. You may have just brought and end to the World Series drought...for the Cubs!

:grouchy :grouchy :grouchy

[rudy]

I'm still in shock. I can't take it.

I can only imaine what you guys are going through right now.

[The Dude]

If the Sawks miss the playoffs, Theo's gonna go into hiding like Bartman and never return.

[RogerRedSox]

Re: post 2 - I obviously wasn't thinking straight! I am actually shocked right now! I don't know what to write or think really. I can't belive it. I didn't think I'd see the day. Even though, in my darker moments, when he was swinging at EVERY first pitch, I thought we'd be better off without him I can't actually believe that Nomar isn't a Red Sox any more. Annie - please help us with some well-thought words.

[FlashGordon]

No starting pitching, eh? I've taken a quick look at Cabrera's fielding history. He's no upgrade. And batting? Don't ask. With Pokey on the DL, I don't think the Sox have done a damn thing to improve their situation up the middle. Menkawiecz (I'll check the spelling later) at 1st? That's a slight improvement, but does that mean either Ortiz or Millar are now done at 1st?

I have said earlier that I was giving Francona until the All-Star Break to prove he is a good manager and Theo until the trade deadline to show he's a solid GM. My mind is made up on Francona and I don't have a good feeling about Theo right now. It's more like he's made a trade because he thinks he has to.

[Ontarioguy]

Outsiders views

I'm not a hardcore Red Sox fan but I do have a soft spot for them and here is what I see going on.

Last year you had a team that, was just as good and probably equal to the Yankees. The series could have gone either way. Instead of making one or 2 small fixer-uppers, the core of the team' starting by the core of the core, Nomar, is being dismantled. Doesn't seem that smart to me...

If I'm totaly wrong tell me, I don't mind, I want to learn...

One upgrade with Carbrera to Nomar is healthwise. Cabrera was something like 7 games away from setting the all-time consecutive Expos streak for games played. You will see him every day.

[Mattingly]

I heard this on my way home from work tonight -- almost ran off the road.

I've thought for some weeks now... First they gave Grady a rotten bullpen and no closer last year, giving him the yips about going to the 'pen, so he left Pedro in when he was done, and as their luck would have it, the Sox lost the ALCS. So they sack Grady, under whom the Sox really did play well, hire an absolute total incompetent to manage the team into a hole, then start hacking off the team's limbs one by one, starting with Nomar. I think that it's part of a big long-range plan to make to Sox miss the playoffs so they will be "justified" in blowing up the team, getting rid of ALL the big name FA's (you're next, Lowe, Tek and Pedro -- who will you all play for next year?) and start over almost from scratch.

They needed middle relief. They didn't need another 1Bman and sure as he** didn't need another shortstop.

Theo threw the season. I am just sick, SICK, SICK about this.

I thought they'd dropped the "bullpen by committee" thing around June or so last season. The Sox pen seemed ready to work the 8th and 9th, w/Embree and Timlin, I believe.

What I'm wondering, who's your SS now? Pokey's on the DL, and Gutierrez played today.

[cardinals03]

My life makes no sense now!

Imagine my situation.....I am a Cardinals fan as you can see, but what is not apparent is my favorite player is Nomaaaaah......hell I named my dog after him for crying out loud. Now he is a Chub?????? My baseball world has now imploded as my favorite player is now playing for the enemy. My only hope is that his ankle is still bad and he ends up on the DL (like most of the other Chubs) for the rest of the season. Then the Chubs don't have the money to resign him and the "rent-a-Nomaaaah" doesn't yield them anything as he signs with another team next year (I believe his contract is up then). Thank God I don't have to watch my beloved Cards play against him (unless it is the playoffs). If that happens, I'll stop watching baseball until next year.

[Mattingly]

Theo did very well in his first year and a half as GM, but this one really has me scratching my head. It does indeed seem kind of desperate. Trade Nomar no matter what you get for him. Which turned out to be not much.

Everyone said Theo was too young, and inexperienced to be the GM. He proved them wrong up until today.

I can just picture the Cubs GM shaking hands, giving high fives, and getting pats on the back and telling everyone that " it was like taking candy from a baby."

I heard some rumor that this was John Henry's idea. Nothing confirmed, just something I'm posting (Gammons-esque, perhaps) that it was supposed to be a deal regardless, in a "just get rid of him" manner.

[DODGER DEB]

I heard this on my way home from work tonight -- almost ran off the road.

I've thought for some weeks now... First they gave Grady a rotten bullpen and no closer last year, giving him the yips about going to the 'pen, so he left Pedro in when he was done, and as their luck would have it, the Sox lost the ALCS. So they sack Grady, under whom the Sox really did play well, hire an absolute total incompetent to manage the team into a hole, then start hacking off the team's limbs one by one, starting with Nomar. I think that it's part of a big long-range plan to make to Sox miss the playoffs so they will be "justified" in blowing up the team, getting rid of ALL the big name FA's (you're next, Lowe, Tek and Pedro -- who will you all play for next year?) and start over almost from scratch.

They needed middle relief. They didn't need another 1Bman and sure as he** didn't need another shortstop.

Theo threw the season. I am just sick, SICK, SICK about this.

Oh, Annie, I really FEEL for you! This trade is just AWFUL! I never thought they would do it, but it just goes to show what can happen when you have an obviously inept and "puppet" GM, with the strings being pulled by the Front Office.

YOUR analogy of WHY it was done, may just be RIGHT ON! It's time for Boston Fans to make it known, loud and clear, to the MGMT, how THEY feel about it! :grouchy

Having said that, I think Nomar will do real well in Chicago. The fans there will love him....and Nomar just might be the Cubs ticket to the WS!

THIS ONE is going to "sting" for a long time to come.....

c.

[VTSoxFan]

I thought they'd dropped the "bullpen by committee" thing around June or so last season. The Sox pen seemed ready to work the 8th and 9th, w/Embree and Timlin, I believe.

What I'm wondering, who's your SS now? Pokey's on the DL, and Gutierrez played today.

Orlando Cabrera.

The bullpen was a total shambles all last year, at least until about september. Sauerbeck was worse than useless, Mendoza was ineffective, then hurt; Embree and Timlin were used till thier arms about fell off, and Kim was in and out of the pen.

[VTSoxFan]

Oh, Annie, I really FEEL for you! This trade is just AWFUL! I never thought they would do it, but it just goes to show what can happen when you have an obviously inept and "puppet" GM, with the strings being pulled by the Front Office.

YOUR analogy of WHY it was done, may just be RIGHT ON! It's time for Boston Fans to make it known, loud and clear, to the MGMT, how THEY feel about it! :grouchy

Having said that, I think Nomar will do real well in Chicago. The fans there will love him....and Nomar just might be the Cubs ticket to the WS!

THIS ONE is going to "sting" for a long time to come.....

c.

Just another example of the Sox letting the best ones get away. I was talking once with a woman who hasn't watched a game since they let Pudge Fisk go. Now I know just how she feels. I hardly even care anymore. I've heard so many people say that their loyalty is to theuniform, not to the guys who wear it. But Nomah was FAMILY. He grew up in a baseball sense in Boston, and now he's been coldly traded like the card his picture is on.

I keep thinking of an epitaph I once read in a mossy old graveyard (yes, I know, he's not dead, but that doesn't seem to matter right now), which I'll paraphrase to better fit the situation:

"Be kind to him, Cubs; we had him such a short time, and you wll have him forever."

Maybe they won't have him forever... maybe, as he's a FA after the season, maybe the blimp will fall on Theo and we'll get a GM with a functioning brain and heart, and bring Nomah back home.