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  • E.Banks#14
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    Any of you posters wish to take back your comments about the 2004 World Champion Red Sox?

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  • pesky6
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    Really?

    And all this time I thought Nomar went to the Cubs because Theo had traded him there. Sarcasm aside, Nomar had no control over where he was going. He didn't have a no-trade clause, either. And FWIW, I don't think Nomar will stay in Chicago, unless they pony up with some FAT cash. IMHO, he's heading west.

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  • burger eater
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    I think he's staying in Chicago and I think Renteria's staying in St. Louis.
    Nomar wanted to be a Cub, so if you still want to be a fan of Nomar, you gotta be a fan of the Cubs... sorry. I like the Cardinals, especially Kline for flipping off Larussa.

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  • cardinals03
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    You still think those are his intentions? It's a rumor so far... you want to think that. I think Renteria's intentions are to sign with the Cubs if there's an opening at SS after the season.
    Yes I still think he is headed out west. And if Edgar does sign with the Cubs I would feel better if that happened rather than Nomar staying for a couple of reasons.

    1.) I am a huge fan of Nomar and seeing him play for the Cubs right now is killing me

    2.) Edgar versus Nomar is defense versus offense and I think I would rather see the Cubs aquire more defense than offense since that won't make a huge difference with thier current roster. Nomar is MVP caliber, Edgar is a good team player and great defender. Either way you upgrade from what you had at the beginning of the season, but the Cubs biggest issue this year has been health and pitching not living up to expectations. Edgar or Nomar won't help them in any of those categories.

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  • burger eater
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    Even with the warm reception he has had at Chicago, I find it hard to believe that he will stay there after the year is over. I read somewhere before the trade was even made that he turned down the RedSox's offer because he ultimately wanted to go West. I still think that is his intentions (if that wasn't just a rumor) and I hope he does well where ever he ends up (as long as it is not with the Cubs)
    You still think those are his intentions? It's a rumor so far... you want to think that. I think Renteria's intentions are to sign with the Cubs if there's an opening at SS after the season.
    Last edited by burger eater; 09-04-2004, 08:39 AM.

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  • Kdub Red Sox Fan 4Life
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    Originally posted by mikey_s
    Now here is a question for you.

    Do you think the Sox should try and sign Cabrerra?

    He turned down 5yrs for 30 Mil from the expos but that may have had more to do with the relocation issue.
    Yes they should try to resign him, but I'd like to see them wait until the season is over. Unless he would be agreeable to a reasonable contract, thus avoiding any sort of bidding war.

    He's been hitting much better since getting comfortable in the Sox line-up, and is a gold glove caliber shortstop. The Sox could do alot worse.

    I say sign him, but only if the price is right. There's a couple other guys I'd like to see them re-sign first

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  • SoxSon
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    To mikey: It makes no sense to try and sign Cabrera now. If he sucks wind in the postseason, good riddance; if he keeps playing like this, we'll win the World Series and he'll be begging to stay.

    VTSoxFan: I think it's better that Nomar's gone (for everyone...actually, if you notice, players are starting to comment on it a little to Shaughnessy :sp?). However, you are absolutely right about the offense...I hope we all keep in mind the monster that was last year's lineup. The differences this year are Schlling, Foulke, MUCH tighter defense (therefore reinventing Lowe) and Francona's recent willingness to yank pitchers. For those that now deem Nomar as a "cancer," though, they really should look back to last year and rethink that conclusion.

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  • mikey_s
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    Now here is a question for you.

    Do you think the Sox should try and sign Cabrerra?

    He turned down 5yrs for 30 Mil from the expos but that may have had more to do with the relocation issue.

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  • VTSoxFan
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    Originally posted by SoxSon
    Hey all--
    I'm new to this forum, and I wanted to say that I joined because after reading a lot of the posts, I felt like you all actually had discussion about baseball, and not just ego stuff, so thanks for providing that.

    I wanted to say about this thread: Although I agree with pesky about Nomar and the trade, VTSoxFan is a good exampe of what true Red Sox fans are all about...faith, openness and integrity. You saw Nomar as the face of the team, and you are genuinely hurt by his absence. While I do think that there was no hope of resigning him after this year (and yes, I think it was on his end), I'm not sure there are a lot of fans out there that are still willing to see baseball as so much more than a business. You're so hurt because you care so much...good for you.
    Thanks, SoxSon... and welcome to the forums

    I guess I was, and am, disillusioned by the way the business end of this Trade was orchestrated. I don't think it was done on the up-and-up, and that bugs me. I'm very very VERY happy it's working out for everybody, because I didn't expect it to; I'm not not one to curse the sunshine and wish for rain because I'm in a bad mood. I am beside myself at the caliber of play over the last month, and while I know the defense has been bolstered by the players acquired in The Trade, I think they could have gone on such an offensive tear even if it hadn't taken place. Either-Or, we'd be winning.

    I do care... probably too much, because it's just a game, right? (HA! )

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    Maybe there will be another curse next to the Bambino's curse.

    So probably the Cubs will win 23 World Series this century to get even with the Yankees.

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  • SoxSon
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    Hey all--
    I'm new to this forum, and I wanted to say that I joined because after reading a lot of the posts, I felt like you all actually had discussion about baseball, and not just ego stuff, so thanks for providing that.

    I wanted to say about this thread: Although I agree with pesky about Nomar and the trade, VTSoxFan is a good exampe of what true Red Sox fans are all about...faith, openness and integrity. You saw Nomar as the face of the team, and you are genuinely hurt by his absence. While I do think that there was no hope of resigning him after this year (and yes, I think it was on his end), I'm not sure there are a lot of fans out there that are still willing to see baseball as so much more than a business. You're so hurt because you care so much...good for you.

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  • Bump11
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    Nomar Trade Helped Red Sox!

    Sure, the Red Sox did lose a fair chunk of offense. But they are inproved defensively, and that was their biggest weakness before the trade. Cabrera is playing as well as or better than Nomar on defense and Mientkiewicz, who was also acquired in that trade, has yet to commit an error and allows Millar's iron glove to come out of the lineup. The trade also allowed the to get Roberts who is providing valuable speed.

    The Cubbies needed some offense-- and now they have an elite #3 hitter who can carry the tam along with Alou and Sosa. It worked out well both ways.

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  • cardinals03
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    Even with the warm reception he has had at Chicago, I find it hard to believe that he will stay there after the year is over. I read somewhere before the trade was even made that he turned down the RedSox's offer because he ultimately wanted to go West. I still think that is his intentions (if that wasn't just a rumor) and I hope he does well where ever he ends up (as long as it is not with the Cubs ).

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  • burger eater
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    I say it was a great trade... Nomar looks happy again as a Cub and he received a hero's welcome in Chicago plus the Red Sox are playing better than they've played all year. Maybe Nomar will have a Red Sock pitching to him in October... hopefully it'll be Sam Malone.
    Cheers!

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  • VTSoxFan
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    I do honestly think he wanted to stay, and play and win for this team and these fans. I believe he entered into contract negotiations last year in good faith, doing business as it is always done, making a counter-proposal to the Sox's offer, and preparing to negotiate, and the Sox front office then did nothing. They never contacted him or his agent, and then after the season tried to orchestate that trade with Texas that would have made Nomar superfluous. They made a "take it or leave it" offer. If a player made such a proposal, the world would be calling for his head on a stick.

    While I do agree that $60M is a more than acceptible sum, it was perfectly within Nomar's rights to make a counter-offer, to say, "Let's try this," and trust that the front office would negotiate in good faith. What big-name player doesn't negotiate? Who's to say they couldn't have worked out something less expensive? I read that before this season, Nomar's camp made an offer that was less expensive than the one the Sox offered last summer, and they were turned down flat. The front office, I believe, had no serious intention of resigning Nomar, since it seems to me that they went into it thinking this: "We'll make a handsome offer; when he counter-offers, we'll withdraw our offer, call him a money-grubber and show him the door." That's not a decent and trustworthy way to do business, whether in baseball or anywhere else, and isn't something that will engender trust in the other players who have to negotiate from now on.

    Anyway, it's water under the bridge, and no good can come of getting worked into a lather over it again. The Sox are playing well, and Nomar seems to be settling well into his new team and new league. Good for him. He's out from under the muckraking eye of the Boston media, no longer being daily demonized by Shaughnessy and his ilk. He did a lot of good for us, for the team and the city, for many years, and I wish him all the best in the world.

    (Except that big gold trophy, that is. He can't have that.)

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