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  • Bullpen Frustration

    Sunday's game drove me bonkers. Wakefield pitched well until the 8th then it all melted down. Yes, Wakefield gave up the tying run and yielded a runner on 2nd with no outs. Soon enough the Sox were down 2.

    But this really broke the camel's back for me. The bullpen is driving me nuts. I know its hard to build a consistently effective one, and this current version may not be as bad as it feels.... but a team sliding in the standings as leads get blown is the single most frustrating occurence as a baseball fan.

    Yes, the offense has been unproductive in key games (and blown out some teams in other games)... but the bullpen just keeps kicking me in the shins.

    I have high hopes for Masterson as a 'righty-specialist' who can be extended. But I see little improvement looming from Timlin, Hansen, Delcarmen, etc.

    So I want, I plead, for a trade to acquire an arm. I know that teams must overpay for mid-season bullpen help, I know young pitching is the most valuable commodity.... but its time to turn some youngsters into a bit of help for this season.

    For no other reason than to limit my frustration when I get a chance to watch Wakefield sling that knuckler up there.

    (Crosses fingers and hopes for an anti-Gagne solution)
    2008

  • #2
    i am with you...but i think bull pen help is going to be way too expensive this year. Unless we try to sure up some other positions while we are at it, i think it will be expensive.

    If there was a way to pry Doumit (C) away fromt he Pirates along with some bull pen help, then i would be willing to give a little more.

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    • #3
      I don't understand the notion that we need to trade for a relief pitcher. The only pitchers on the market that would help us are closers, and we're all set at that position. And there's no need for us to pick up another closer and try to convert him to a setup man. Name more than 1 or 2 big name relievers in the past decade or so traded at the deadline that have been key components to winning a World Series? Gagne was bad enough, we don't need to become the George Steinbrenner era Yankees and buy players to win championships when there's a quick fix needed.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by SoxFan68 View Post
        I don't understand the notion that we need to trade for a relief pitcher. The only pitchers on the market that would help us are closers, and we're all set at that position. And there's no need for us to pick up another closer and try to convert him to a setup man. Name more than 1 or 2 big name relievers in the past decade or so traded at the deadline that have been key components to winning a World Series? Gagne was bad enough, we don't need to become the George Steinbrenner era Yankees and buy players to win championships when there's a quick fix needed.
        In 1996 the Yankees acquired Graham Lloyd who was lefty specialist. I think they got him in the Ruben Sierra trade. He played a key role down the stretch and in several games in the post season. You mentioned "big name" relievers, but I think the real issue is just getting someone who can do the job.
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        • #5
          Sozfan68, I tend to agree w/ Parlo that a big name is not the need, nor the preference (as you indicate the problem with acquiring a closer). A dominant or difference making arm is not necessarily available but with the ineffectiveness and injury of arms a reliable, functioning bullpen asset can, in fact, make a difference.

          The Gagne saga shows the perils of such a path. But I also think that baseball fans and media (and Billy Beane with the current trades) tend to overvalue prospects. This is especially true when the prospects are in a high-profile organization (Red Sox, Yankees, etc).

          To further the reasonableness of trading for an arm, arms are needed for next season as well. Having one more guy penciled in for next year is not a bad thing.

          Of course, this is all contingent on another team having a desirable arm and a desire to snag some prospects. As the deadline approaches, more teams will determine themselves sellers and an arm can be had.

          This Sox team is a good one, but imperfect. I believe in windows and this year is within the window that says go for a championship (again). Thus its time to bank a small part of the future (potentially) into helping hand in the bullpen.
          2008

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SoxFan68 View Post
            I don't understand the notion that we need to trade for a relief pitcher. The only pitchers on the market that would help us are closers, and we're all set at that position. And there's no need for us to pick up another closer and try to convert him to a setup man. Name more than 1 or 2 big name relievers in the past decade or so traded at the deadline that have been key components to winning a World Series? Gagne was bad enough, we don't need to become the George Steinbrenner era Yankees and buy players to win championships when there's a quick fix needed.
            i dont want a big name...i want someone that can get people out.

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            • #7
              Not sure what reliever the Red Sox could bring in that could help the team. The Red Sox do have options at the minor league level. They can't much worse than the majority of the bullpen has been this season. I would like to add Fuentes, but the Rockies will be asking for a high price.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Evangelion View Post
                Not sure what reliever the Red Sox could bring in that could help the team. The Red Sox do have options at the minor league level. They can't much worse than the majority of the bullpen has been this season. I would like to add Fuentes, but the Rockies will be asking for a high price.
                Bringing Masterson up to do some relief pitching may be a good move, well see how that works out, I'm optomistic he will do well in that role.

                Delcarmin, Hanson, Okajima and Timlin have been inconsistant and disapointing this year, so I'd love to see the Sox get a decent reliever via trade if the price is right.

                Fuentes would be a good one, but at what price? And I read that he wants to continue to be a closer if traded so he may be out. Then there's Damaso Marte who according to Rotowire, the Sox have interest in.

                http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...e&type=fantasy

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                • #9
                  There are some options in the minor leagues, and I think it'd be good if the Sox tried some out sooner rather than later. Masterson is up, and Bowden may get a September callup depending on how he does in AAA, but there are other guys in Pawtucket, mostly a little bit older, who might be able to help - Hunter Jones, Chris Smith, Eric Hull, Kyle Snyder, maybe even David Pauley or Charlie Zink.
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                  • #10
                    Fuentes and Marte seem to be the hot names. Both have steep prices right now but there should be a sweet-spot when the price drops a bit before the deadline. Provided some other team does not pull the trigger before.

                    As far as AAA options, I'd like to find out now by giving Timlin's innings to someone. I do not think Timlin is going to turn anything around this year (and will retire at the end of the season).
                    2008

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mike D. View Post
                      There are some options in the minor leagues, and I think it'd be good if the Sox tried some out sooner rather than later. Masterson is up, and Bowden may get a September callup depending on how he does in AAA, but there are other guys in Pawtucket, mostly a little bit older, who might be able to help - Hunter Jones, Chris Smith, Eric Hull, Kyle Snyder, maybe even David Pauley or Charlie Zink.
                      the thing with bringing up guys from the farm is uses up their options...so you need to be careful. I just want someone who can hold a lead every now and then.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Boston Boxer View Post
                        the thing with bringing up guys from the farm is uses up their options...so you need to be careful. I just want someone who can hold a lead every now and then.
                        If the Sox think a guy can help them fill a need on the current roster right now, in the thick of a pennant race, they'd be crazy not to bring him up because it'll use up options. That'd be like starving to death because you don't want to eat your "reserve food".

                        Besides, most of those guys, including Hull, Snyder, Zink, and Smith are older, so if they can't help now, they probably never will be able to (and probably won't be back in the system next year, anyway). Pauley is younger, but not really much of a prospect. The only guy I could see being a long-term answer is maybe Hunter Jones, who's only 24 and a decent prospect.

                        So, if the Sox think ANY of these guys can help in the pen now, they should be up.
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                        • #13
                          the thing with bringing up guys from the farm is uses up their options...so you need to be careful. I just want someone who can hold a lead every now and then.

                          Would you rather give up prospects for an overvalued reliever, ( see GAGne, Eric) or give up an option to bring up a major-league ready prospect, who could not only help the club this season, but for the next few, as well?
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                          • #14
                            http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9964724

                            It's rumor that the Rockies asked for Clay Buchholz in a deal involving Brain Fuentes.

                            I'll pass on that deal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by riredsox View Post
                              the thing with bringing up guys from the farm is uses up their options...so you need to be careful. I just want someone who can hold a lead every now and then.

                              Would you rather give up prospects for an overvalued reliever, ( see GAGne, Eric) or give up an option to bring up a major-league ready prospect, who could not only help the club this season, but for the next few, as well?
                              Why are you worrying about options? If they can help the club this season and the next few as well..their options don't mean a thing.
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