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Bronson Arroyo traded to Reds for Willy Mo Pena
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Bronson pitched 7 innings of 3-hit ball vs. the Red Sox in the last Red Sox pre-season game. Yes, we will see where things stand at the ASB.
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Originally posted by pesky6With regards to the loyalty card, just because someone says they want to stay with Boston doesn't mean we should just keep them around.
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with the trade of Arroyo Boston goes from 7 pitchers to 6 and their is speculation of Papelbon being their closer which brings them down to 5 not to mention that shilling is questionable and so is clement Wells is also getting older
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Well, I just got back from vacation and happened to read all of the posts from this thread. . . there are a lot of good points, and I wanted to chime in with some of my own--
With regards to the loyalty card, just because someone says they want to stay with Boston doesn't mean we should just keep them around. The idea is to improve the club. None of us knows if picking up Wily Mo Pena will do it, but let's be honest--Arroyo wasn't exactly lighting it up around here. I too have an adoration for the 2004 team, but that was almost a year and a half ago. If we want to remain contenders, we have to give up on the loyalty thing. Sure, Arroyo loved it in Boston--he had built a similar iconic status like that certiain CF in New York did, and he was adored by fans, but that's not a reason to keep someone around.
A lot of people have asked, "Why didn't we trade Wells or Clement?" Wells has made it perfectly clear that he wanted to go to the west coast and no where else, so that wouldn't have happened. Clement wouldn't have worked out, either. Remember, we're paying the salary difference in Arroyo's contract--imagine if, with the big salary we're paying Clement, we had to pay the difference in his salary? That wouldn't have made any sense, either. It's bad enough that we had to with Renteria's.
In Trot Nixon's case, I hope people can see that, at 24, Pena has a much bigger upside than Nixon, at 32. Hey, I love the guy, too, but as much as I admire Trot's hustle and work ethic, he's been way too injury-prone these last few years. I think Pena (or Crisp) would be a suitable replacement in the OF.
As far as Theo goes, of the transactions that didn't pan out, are the players we gave up doing any better in their new surroundings? Hillenbrand is ok, but I'd rather have Youks at 3rd. Sanchez has been solid, and I'd probably want to see him as our everyday 2B, but hindsight is 20/20. Considering how demanding the Red Sox must be as an organization and considering how young Theo still is, I think he's done a great job as our GM.
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Originally posted by Rickey_Hendersontheir is a lot of questions about the lineup questions but not really problems how will Beckett handle the media for example also I don`t put much stock in Spring Training especially this year with half of the star players in the league of at the WBC so all the pitchers look sharp
Also, Schilling's velocity can tell you a lot. That's got nothing to do with who is at the plate.
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personally I think bostons biggest strength ois their seto man who is one of the best in the league not to mention the 1-2 combo of ortiz and ramirez
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Originally posted by SoxSonSchilling seems pretty sharp this Spring. His velocity is up, he's had time to get in shape for the season, and he seems to have his focus. He seems to me like the kind of older pitcher who could bounce back reasonably this season.
Foulke, on the other hand...well, I'll buy that when he's still pitching in May.
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Originally posted by Rickey_HendersonHi I`m new I`m a diehard Yankee fan but not a Boston hater and I`ve been wondering how will Schilling and Foulke do Foulke missed out most of the year and when he was pitching he wasn`t great and schillng though he had some great games against New York he was VERY inconsistent
Schilling seems pretty sharp this Spring. His velocity is up, he's had time to get in shape for the season, and he seems to have his focus. He seems to me like the kind of older pitcher who could bounce back reasonably this season.
Foulke, on the other hand...well, I'll buy that when he's still pitching in May.
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Schilling/Foulke?
Hi I`m new I`m a diehard Yankee fan but not a Boston hater and I`ve been wondering how will Schilling and Foulke do Foulke missed out most of the year and when he was pitching he wasn`t great and schillng though he had some great games against New York he was VERY inconsistent
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Schilling/Foulke?
I`m knew hi I know I spelled foulke wrong ( probably because I`m a diehard Yankees fan but not a Bosox hater) but I`ve been wondering how these two players are going to come back schilling did horrible last year and foulke missed most of the year
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Originally posted by DoubleXI believe Phil was throwing the knuckleball since very early in his career, I don't know about Joe though.
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Originally posted by MattinglySpeaking of Wake, which other pitches does he throw? Also, how long's he been a knuckleballer?
I think that with the Niekro brothers (Phil & Joe), they'd done this to extend their pitching careers.
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Originally posted by efin98I don't believe I called him that at all last year and those that did I believe it was due to his consistancy last year while the other pitchers had their struggles. He isn't the ace but he was the anchor in the rotation.
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Originally posted by FlashGordonAnd you've completely side-stepped my point. Clement was our #1 starter. Bronson's were comparable (perhaps better by some counts) despite being #4. That flies entirely in the face of your claim that he couldn't crack the top 3, except for the worst teams.
He was 3rd in wins, 2nd in IP, 3rd in ERA, 2nd in losses, 2nd in hits allowed, 1st in runs, 2nd in HRs, 4th in Ks, 2nd in BBs, 2nd in HBP.
Overall he was the 3rd best pitcher on the staff at the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation. On any other team he wouldn't be the 3rd guy, not with those numbers. Sorry, but that's at least a 4th or 5th starter to me.
One more thing, I don't want anyone to think I'm Wakefield-bashing. He is a useful tool to have in the shed, even if the knuckler can be a fickle mistress. Still, he does meet the criteria of over-rated. I've heard all kinds of appraisals that have had him as our #3 or #2 starter.
At one point last year, people were carelessly tossing around the label "ace". I wonder how many more fans would have cried foul if Wakefield had been dealt.
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