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  • Same problem in the Middle Infield

    The Sox are having the same problem in the Middle Infield with Gonzalez that they where having with Bellhorn . Gonzalez is really struggling this year at the plate only batting .220 with only 3 RBIs . The Sox really should have gotten a better SS during the Offseason instead , thay got another Florida Marlins Reject .

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    We didn't get Gonzalez because he could hit. He's a career .260 hitter. There was never anything about getting him because he can hit. We got him because our defense (especially at SS) was terrible last year. We were next to last in SS errors last year. There weren't any good SS to sign so we signed Gonzalez for 1 year and we will get someone next season. Or Pedroia from AAA will probably be ready. The good thing with Gonzalez is that he plays Gold Glove defense. Better than with Bellhorn where he doesn't hit and doesn't play good defense. Personally I love our infield. I would sacrifice some bat for alot of defense. Of course in a perfect world you want both, but there wasn't anyone availible. We tried to get Tejada from Baltimore for Manny, but they wouldn't do it. Next season Julio Lugo is a FA so I figure we will go after him if Pedroia isn't ready for some reason. People are upset with this, but Renteria didn't hit well last year either, and he played aweful defense. So sadly enough Gonzalez was still an upgrade. Gonzalez may not hit and score as much, but he certainly helps keep the other team from scoring some runs.

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    • #3
      Gonzalez doesn't hit much...but so far, he's really making them count. Last I checked, he had 3 RBI, but 2 Game-winning RBI.
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      • #4
        Thats typically what he does. He doesn't hit alot, and doesn't hit for average, he could put up around 15 homers at Fenway, which he did in 03 and 04 before that number dropped last year, but he comes up with big hits when you need them. He did it in the 03 WS , and just this past offseason for Venezuala in the Caribean WS. He's a great defensive player, and for me that makes up for anything he lacks with his bat. That said I'd still like to get someone like Lugo if Pedroia isn't ready next year.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jager
          Thats typically what he does. He doesn't hit alot, and doesn't hit for average, he could put up around 15 homers at Fenway, which he did in 03 and 04 before that number dropped last year, but he comes up with big hits when you need them. He did it in the 03 WS , and just this past offseason for Venezuala in the Caribean WS. He's a great defensive player, and for me that makes up for anything he lacks with his bat. That said I'd still like to get someone like Lugo if Pedroia isn't ready next year.
          That is another problem , each year , our SS Changes and that screws up our infield ( Sorry about screwed up but i couldn't find another word )

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          • #6
            So far, I think the middle infield hasn't really been the problem...it's been what's been going around the rest of the field.

            Injuries had Crisp and Nixon out, making the lineup a bit weaker than you'd like to see. Nixon is back and had a big game today. Crisp will hopefully be back soon. When you have Crisp at the top of that lineup, and Youk can move down to 7th or 8th, the fact that Gonzalez is hitting #9 and hitting .230 doesn't matter much.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by whosyourpapi
              That is another problem , each year , our SS Changes and that screws up our infield ( Sorry about screwed up but i couldn't find another word )
              Loretta and Gonzalez just don't constitute a problem. Loretta is an all-around great 2nd baseman, and Gonzalez is a defensive specialist. We didn't acquire Gonzalez for his hitting, so any offensive contribution he makes over the course of the season is a plus. I love our infield defensively. It's nice to not assume that a ball is going through with every hit.
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              • #8
                It's only two weeks into the season and people are already trying to jump ship....

                I hope you guys who are criticising heavily don't injure yourselves jumping on the bandwagon in September if/when the team gets hot and wins either the division or the wild card.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mike D.
                  Gonzalez doesn't hit much...but so far, he's really making them count. Last I checked, he had 3 RBI, but 2 Game-winning RBI.
                  Frankly, I'll gladly take that light hitting if/when the hits that he does get come when they need them the most or when they can do the most good for the team.

                  It's quality over quantity.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by efin98
                    It's only two weeks into the season and people are already trying to jump ship....

                    I agree, efin. Does this season seem worse in RSN somehow, or what?

                    Edit: See post below for clarification.
                    Last edited by SoxSon; 04-17-2006, 07:21 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SoxSon
                      I agree, efin. Does this season seem worse in RSN somehow, or what?
                      After 13 games, the last 10 years:
                      2005: 8-5, finished 95-67 and lost in the ALDS
                      2004: 8-5, finished 98-64 and won the World Series
                      2003: 8-5, finished 95-67 and lost in the ALCS
                      2002: 9-4, finished 93-69 in second place and out of the playoffs
                      2001: 9-4, finished 82-79 in second place and out of the playoffs
                      2000: 7-6, finished 85-77 in second place and out of the playoffs
                      1999: 8-5, finished 94-68 and lost in the ALCS
                      1998: 8-5, finished 92-70 and lost in the ALDS
                      1997: 7-6, finished 78-84 in fourth place and out of the playoffs
                      1996 2-11, finished 85-77 in third place and out of the playoffs

                      They are doing about as good as they did the last 10 years, it's what happens the rest of the year that matters.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by efin98
                        It's only two weeks into the season and people are already trying to jump ship....

                        I hope you guys who are criticising heavily don't injure yourselves jumping on the bandwagon in September if/when the team gets hot and wins either the division or the wild card.
                        Normally I may say that as well, but in this case Gonzalez isn't going to magically turn it on. To steal a quote "It is what it is". Gonzalez is great defensively, and crappy hitting. That's how he's always been. We needed a decent SS, and the only guys we really wanted were Tejada and Lugo. We offered Manny for Tejada, but the Orioles don't like to trade within the division. So that one was out. Then we tried for Lugo, but they just wanted too much for a guy who we can go out and get in Free Agency this coming year. BJ Upton is their future SS, so they won't be resigning Lugo. There just weren't many options that had both offense and Defense. So they went to Defense to help our stacked pitching, and its working so far. These guys look fantastic. I like the move. Even if its just a one year fix. Pedroia will be ready maybe next year, or we could sign Julio Lugo. Heck even maybe make another run at Tejada when Manny ask's to be traded. lol.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jager
                          Normally I may say that as well, but in this case Gonzalez isn't going to magically turn it on. To steal a quote "It is what it is". Gonzalez is great defensively, and crappy hitting. That's how he's always been. We needed a decent SS, and the only guys we really wanted were Tejada and Lugo.
                          The team HAS a decent SS. What you WANT is the second coming of Nomar- a heavy hitting SS with average to slightly above average defense. That isn't going to happen. It's a return to the way things were 10 years ago where SSs were light hitters but great defensively. You wouldn't say get rid of Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel because they weren't hitting like their contemporaries, why the same for another excellant defensive SS???
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                          Originally posted by RuthMayBond
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by efin98
                            The team HAS a decent SS. What you WANT is the second coming of Nomar- a heavy hitting SS with average to slightly above average defense. That isn't going to happen. It's a return to the way things were 10 years ago where SSs were light hitters but great defensively. You wouldn't say get rid of Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel because they weren't hitting like their contemporaries, why the same for another excellant defensive SS???
                            I have to agree. Shortstop isn't traditionally a heavy hitting slot. For all of his flashy play, Nomar could be dodgy in the field and now (when not on the DL) he's playing 1B. More and more, the field for SS is drying up, but that's O.K. I think Sox fans keep looking over at Jeter and feel like they have to plug the biggest hole in a team-to-team comparison. We'll be fine as long as neither Gonzalez nor Loretta turns in a season like Renteria's.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by efin98
                              After 13 games, the last 10 years:
                              2005: 8-5, finished 95-67 and lost in the ALDS
                              2004: 8-5, finished 98-64 and won the World Series
                              2003: 8-5, finished 95-67 and lost in the ALCS
                              2002: 9-4, finished 93-69 in second place and out of the playoffs
                              2001: 9-4, finished 82-79 in second place and out of the playoffs
                              2000: 7-6, finished 85-77 in second place and out of the playoffs
                              1999: 8-5, finished 94-68 and lost in the ALCS
                              1998: 8-5, finished 92-70 and lost in the ALDS
                              1997: 7-6, finished 78-84 in fourth place and out of the playoffs
                              1996 2-11, finished 85-77 in third place and out of the playoffs

                              They are doing about as good as they did the last 10 years, it's what happens the rest of the year that matters.
                              You misunderstood my post, efin. I wasn't asking about records.

                              I was asking if it seemed like there was a greater inclination this year to "jump ship" in RSN than in past years? It seems that way to me, and it's slightly frustrating. I have to think that some of it is borne from the identity crisis brought on by major shuffling of players post-2004. Either way, some fans seem particularly hasty to cut loose a player, contractually or psychologically, after a short bad spell at the plate or on the field.
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