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  • Therwil Flyer
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    Originally posted by dominik View Post
    well obviously it is hard to do if your first round pick is about 20 or worse every year. you just get less talent there of course. I think in their situation it is important to not waste talents and improve the development of the players. you can not control a lot of things but at least you should try to optimize mechanics, medical treatment and conditioning. especially the last 2 things could likely be improved.
    Well not this year! We have a legitimate shot at a (protected) 10th round pick this year!
    Standings (in reverse order):
    8. MIA 59-72
    9. SD 61-71
    10. NYM 61-70
    11. PHI 62-69 (tied)
    11. BOS 62-69 (tied)
    13. MIL 62-67 (tied)
    13. SEA 63-68 (tied)

    Basically, if they fall behind the Mets and Padres, they would end up with the 10th pick (there is a comp pick for losing out on Appel somewhere). Speaking of Appel, I doubt he will still be around at 10, but one can dream, right?

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  • dominik
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    Originally posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    And how do you suggest doing that? Obviously, I agree with you, but I'm just not sure how to do that. I really believe that Ben has been trying to do that. Increase the pitching in the upper minors. But it's though.
    well obviously it is hard to do if your first round pick is about 20 or worse every year. you just get less talent there of course. I think in their situation it is important to not waste talents and improve the development of the players. you can not control a lot of things but at least you should try to optimize mechanics, medical treatment and conditioning. especially the last 2 things could likely be improved.

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  • Dude Paskert
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    I think Hamilton would be a TERRIBLE fit for the Bosox.
    I don't have a problem with him discussing religion and his relationship with God, but it probably works a lot better down in TX than it would in the Northeast.
    You just know that the in-your-face wise guy types up here are constantly going to be offering to buy him beers, or worse. Plus asking him where his babysitter/handler is.
    Josh really should end up in a place where there is more of an emphasis on being polite in public than on getting in stranger's faces and showing them how funny you are.
    I lived in Dallas and like it up here better, but there's a very good reason why urban Northeasterns have the reputation they do.

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  • Mike D.
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    I agree that the answer has to be "B". You have a good core with Pedroia, Middlebrooks, and Ellsbury and Ortiz (in the short term, at least), plus Lester, Buchholz, and Bailey on the pitching side. You also have an intriguing selection of young players making their way through the system (Bradley Jr, Barnes, Bogarts, etc).

    The key, as you suggest, is to fill in the holes. I think they NEED to play Inglesis almost every day the last month. See if you think he's playable in the big leagues. If you don't, might be time to trade him and find a new replacement to hold down the fort until Bogarts is ready (assuming he sticks at SS).

    SS and SP are always tough to fill spots, so we'll have to wait and see on those...but thankfully, passable corner OF/1B aren't that hard to find...so I'm optimistic. If Ross will resign fairly cheaply, I think you do it. I think Kalish will be in the mix.

    I could see Lavarnway picking up some AB's at 1B on days he's not catching (get him a 1B mitt and send him to winter ball!)

    I think they'll monitor the FA and trade market for options for 1B/OF...I could see a trade that doesn't send any top prospects away but brings in some passable vets worth taking a flier on (maybe trading guys who will be Rule V eligible this winter).

    I think they've done a good job of adding pitching depth (in the Punto trade), but really lost opportunities to add more low-minors pitchers when they didn't trade Shoppach earlier, didn't trade Sweeney, etc.

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  • Therwil Flyer
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    Originally posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    And how do you suggest doing that? Obviously, I agree with you, but I'm just not sure how to do that. I really believe that Ben has been trying to do that. Increase the pitching in the upper minors. But it's though.
    Maybe the Dodgers help us out again and accept Matsuzaka/Bailey for Zach Lee? They lost Billingsley and Jansen. I highly doubt it though. It would give us another interesting arm in the minors. Hope that Bard becomes Bard again and is the closer for 2013 (and beyond).

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  • Therwil Flyer
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    Originally posted by dominik View Post
    What has to be done is improve the pitching farm system.

    It is rare that a farm system developes a superstar ace but most good teams have a homegrown core of relivers and back end starters. If you have those guys off the book (cheap) you can spend on other parts (especially SP). But if you already have to pay a lot for the BP (bailey for example) less money is free
    And how do you suggest doing that? Obviously, I agree with you, but I'm just not sure how to do that. I really believe that Ben has been trying to do that. Increase the pitching in the upper minors. But it's though.
    Last edited by Therwil Flyer; 08-30-2012, 10:28 AM.

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  • dominik
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    What has to be done is improve the pitching farm system.

    It is rare that a farm system developes a superstar ace but most good teams have a homegrown core of relivers and back end starters. If you have those guys off the book (cheap) you can spend on other parts (especially SP). But if you already have to pay a lot for the BP (bailey for example) less money is free

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  • Therwil Flyer
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    Note: In what follows, I assume that the Red Sox let Bobby Valentine walk and replace him with a young, smart, energetic manager such as Dave Martinez.

    1B: The FA market at 1B looks bleek and the Sox have no viable internal options. At this time, I see three possibilities: 1) Trade for Matt Adams. He is blocked in Stl. You would have to give up significant pieces from the farm which goes against the idea of scenario b), but at least you get a young cost controled stud back. 2) Sign Kevin Youkilis. He's hitting .250 .368 .474 since having a manager again that trusts him. 3) Go with a Looney/Sands/Gomez platoon. Not the most appealing option, but neither was Kevin Millar in 2004. That's sort of the idea of this approach.

    OF: The FA market is just as bleek as at 1B. It makes no sense to trade Ellsbury now. Cody Ross has more value to us than anybody else (hits .233 .305 .393 away from Fenway), thus resign him to 2/12. Kalish gets another year as 4th OF/in Pawtucket. For the final spot, that leaves three possibilities: 1) Trade for Shin-Soo Choo. Has refused to sign an extension with the Indians, so could be available at a reasonable price. Would be a above average stopgap for LF. .288 .380 .469 career hitter who turns 30 next season. 2) Trade for Justin Upton. He's perennially available but the same applies to him as to Adams above (Obviously Upton and Adams are mutually exclusive). 3) Kalish/Sands platoon.

    DH: There is an obvious solution. Resign David Ortiz. Make a qualifying offer thaen sign him to 2/10.

    SS/SP: This is a bit harder. Let's look at that in a month or so, when we have a better idea of who's available.

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  • Therwil Flyer
    started a topic Quo Vadis Red Sox?

    Quo Vadis Red Sox?

    This could potentially be merged with the "What would you do?" thread, as it essentially goes in the same direction.

    It seems in past years the Red Sox's philosophy seemes to have shifted a bit. Whether it was on purpose - because the rest of the league has caught up with them in using objective, quantifiable measures to exploit market inefficiencies and they felt the only advantage they had left was their deep pockets - or more accidental as they slowly succumbed to building an uberteam, I don't know. Nor does it matter.

    The glorious - or, depending on your point of view, infamous - Nick Punto trade has allowed them to regain payroll flexibility and start over. The question now is which direction they chose to go in. As far as I can tell, there are three possible directions to go in:

    a) Complete rebuilding mode. In that scenario, they essentially become the Marlins from a few years back. It means, letting Ortiz walk (preferably after making a qualifying offer to collect the draft picks), trading Ellsbury as well as Pedroia, maybe others too.

    b) The 2003 way. In that scenario, they go back to their origins. Build a core and complete it with smart signings a la Billy Mueller and Kevin Millar. This approach bears considerable risk. Finding value a la Ortiz (in 2003) or Ross (last offseason) is not easy. Sometimes these signings/trades work out, sometimes they don't.

    c) Buy a WS, or die trying. In that scenario, they use their regained payroll flexibility to immediatly buy/trade their way back into contention. It likely means going after Hamilton and raid the farm for a true ace.

    To me, scenario a is not an option. These full on rebuilds more often than not, do not work out. And it would ignore the fact that the Red Sox still have a very interesting core to build around.

    Scenario c doesn't seem to make sense either. First of all, the FA market is fairly weak this offseason. Star players tend to sign extensions more often than go free agency. And second, if that's the plan, they could have just kept Gonzalez/Crawford/Beckett/Punto, right?

    That leaves us with approach b and, hence, the question of how to deal with the holes at 1B, LF, SS, SP, DH; trying to identify the next Cody Ross (figuratively speaking).

    Discuss!

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