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    what would an all-time astros team look like. taking only into consideration how they played as astros? here's what i have so far

    1B: Jeff Bagwell
    2B: Joe Morgan
    3B: Ken Caminiti
    SS: ?
    OF: Moisis Alou
    OF: Lance Berkman
    OF: ?
    C: Craig Biggio
    SP: Mike Scott
    SP: Nolan Ryan
    SP: Roger Clemens?
    SP: Roy Oswalt?
    RP: Billy Wagner
    589
    SP: Nolan Ryan
    5.94%
    35
    SP: Mike Scott
    3.74%
    22
    SP: Roy Oswalt
    4.58%
    27
    SP: Larry Dierker
    1.70%
    10
    SP: Roger Clemens
    1.87%
    11
    SP: J.R. Richard
    3.74%
    22
    1B: Jeff Bagwell
    7.13%
    42
    1B: Glenn Davis
    0.51%
    3
    2B: Craig Biggio
    6.62%
    39
    2B: Joe Morgan
    1.19%
    7
    2B: Bill Doran
    0.34%
    2
    3B: Denny Walling
    0.17%
    1
    3B: Ken Caminiti
    5.60%
    33
    3B: Doug Rader
    1.53%
    9
    SS: Dickie Thon
    4.75%
    28
    SS: Rafael Ramirez
    0.34%
    2
    SS: Adam Everett
    1.70%
    10
    C: Alan Ashby
    3.57%
    21
    C: Brad Ausmus
    3.57%
    21
    C: Alex Trevino
    0.17%
    1
    OF: Lance Berkman
    6.45%
    38
    OF: Jose Cruz
    5.43%
    32
    OF: Jimmy Wynn
    4.75%
    28
    OF: Luis Gonzales
    1.36%
    8
    OF: Cesar Cedeno
    4.07%
    24
    RP: Dave Smith
    1.87%
    11
    RP: Billy Wagner
    6.28%
    37
    RP: Brad Lidge
    1.36%
    8
    RP: Dan Wheeler
    1.02%
    6
    BENCH: Mike Lamb
    2.38%
    14
    BENCH: Orlando Palmeiro
    1.36%
    8
    BENCH: Jose Vizcaino
    1.53%
    9
    SP: Joe Niekro
    1.36%
    8
    SS: Craig Reynolds
    0.34%
    2
    BENCH: Bob Watson
    1.70%
    10

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    C Ausmus
    1B Bagwell
    2B Biggio
    3B Caminitti
    SS Thon
    LF Berkman
    CF Cedeno
    RF Cruz

    SP Mike Scot
    SP Roy Oswalt
    SP Nolan Ryan
    SP Larry Deirker


    RP Billy Wagner
    RP Brad Lidge

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    • #3
      2nd team in ()

      SP's:
      Ryan
      Clemmens
      R. Johnson
      Oswalt
      Scott
      Schilling

      RP:
      D. Smith
      Wagner


      C:
      Ausmus (Ashby)

      1B:
      Bagwell (Davis)

      2B:
      Biggio (Morgan)

      SS:
      Thon (Reynolds)

      3B:
      Caminiti (Garner )

      OF:
      Beltran
      Berkman
      Cedeno
      (Lofton)
      (Cruz)
      (Bell)
      Last edited by tadlock11; 03-29-2006, 03:24 PM.

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      • #4
        I don't recall much about Jimmy Wynn, would he be a better fit in the OF than some of these listed?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tadlock11
          I don't recall much about Jimmy Wynn, would he be a better fit in the OF than some of these listed?
          The Cannon is in the outfield, without question, along with Cedeno and Cruz. Dickie Thon gets the node at SS even with his tragically short career. J. R. Richard has my vote as a starter over Oswalt...Again, a tragically shortened career. I like Doug Rader @ third, because most of Cami's great years were with San Diego..Same at 2nd, where I will go with Biggio...Morgan's great years were with Cincy. Because I can't remember an outstanding catcher besides my secondbaseman, I'll go with Ash or maybe John Bateman...I was gonna name Tony "Cheeseburger" Euseibo, but thought better of it.
          "I wanted to be a big league baseball player so I could see my picture on a bubblegum card."Al Ferrara

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lamearm
            I was gonna name Tony "Cheeseburger" Euseibo, but thought better of it.
            What is he doing now? I always thought he was a very clutch hitter. Don't remember much about his defense (catching) though.

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            • #7
              Astros Daily put together a panel a while back and asked them to put an all-time Astros team together. The panel included longtime broadcaster Gene Elston (just won Frick Award), Bob Hulsey (for my money, THE source of club history), Greg Lucas (one of the current FSN broadcasters who has covered a lot of Texas baseball), Dr. Bill McCurdy (part of the Texas Baseball Hall of Fame with a Houston baseball history dating back to the old Buffs) and Darrell Pittman (who has logged thousands of hours at Astros Daily).

              Their team came out to be:

              C - Alan Ashby
              1B - Jeff Bagwell
              2B - Craig Biggio
              3B - (tie) Ken Caminiti & Doug Rader
              SS - Dickie Thon
              OF - Starters: Jose Cruz, Cesar Cedeño, Jimmy Wynn ... Reserves: Lance Berkman, Moises Alou
              Rotation: JR Richard, Nolan Ryan, Mike Scott, Larry Dierker, Joe Niekro
              Bullpen: Dave Smith, Billy Wagner, Joe Sambito, Octavio Dotel, Danny Darwin

              I can live with that team except for my intense disfavor for Alou who I would replace with Terry Puhl (who finished 6th in the OF voting).

              Niekro and Darwin are too often overlooked on these teams, as is Bob Watson. Thought for sure there was an old thread here along these same lines, but darned if I can find it.
              Never confuse character with geography --- Red Smith
              Astros Daily

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tadlock11
                2nd team in ()

                SP's:
                Ryan
                Clemmens
                R. Johnson
                Oswalt
                Scott
                Schilling

                RP:
                D. Smith
                Wagner


                C:
                Ausmus (Ashby)

                1B:
                Bagwell (Davis)

                2B:
                Biggio (Morgan)

                SS:
                Thon (Reynolds)

                3B:
                Caminiti (Garner )

                OF:
                Beltran
                Berkman
                Cedeno
                (Lofton)
                (Cruz)
                (Bell)

                beltran and lofton were not astros for nearly long enough to be on this list

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                • #9
                  Can a mod who is knowledgabke about Astros history add a poll to this thread?

                  I want the results for the All-Time position by position battle. I have a thread about it in the history forum if you're interested.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by UTforever22
                    beltran and lofton were not astros for nearly long enough to be on this list
                    Nor was Randy Johnson.
                    -David
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rickey_Henderson
                      Can a mod who is knowledgabke about Astros history add a poll to this thread?

                      I want the results for the All-Time position by position battle. I have a thread about it in the history forum if you're interested.
                      I can start one up, Rickey...but I may need help from my ol' buddy co-mod, PopTop, to get it just right.
                      -David
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nolanryan5714
                        I can start one up, Rickey...but I may need help from my ol' buddy co-mod, PopTop, to get it just right.
                        Thanks That should be very helpful
                        2009 World Series Champions, The New York Yankees

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tadlock11
                          I don't recall much about Jimmy Wynn, would he be a better fit in the OF than some of these listed?
                          I think Wynn would belong somewhere on this team. He was a good hitter and had a "toy cannon " for an arm.

                          Welcome back ARod. Hope you are a Yankee forever.
                          Phil Rizzuto-a Yankee forever.

                          Holy Cow

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                          • #14
                            It's not my thread, but I'm of the belief that a player should have had a minimum of 3 seasons in Houston before being considered. Again, Randy Johnson and Carlos Beltran shouldn't count on this supposed "all-time" list.
                            -David
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                            • #15
                              Not a bad list on the poll. Just spoke with David and told him that Craig Reynolds might've been included for SS and Joe Niekro as one of the SPs. And falling for my own 'gotcha' that I posted earlier, just about everyone forgets about Bob Watson who probably would be the ultimate bench player for this team since he caught and played both 1B and OF.

                              I voted for:
                              SP - Nolan Ryan (tough choice really)
                              RP - Billy Wagner (career numbers with Houston makes this an eacy decision for me)
                              1B - Jeff Bagwell (no-brainer)
                              2B - Craig Biggio (no-brainer)
                              3B - Doug Rader (yes, over Caminiti. The Rooster was a solid glove man at third and had as much power, sans steroids)
                              SS - Craig Reynolds (excellent defender, great 2-hole hitter)
                              OF - Jimmy Wynn, Jose Cruz and Lance Berkman (never was much of a CedeƱo fan, to be honest)
                              Never confuse character with geography --- Red Smith
                              Astros Daily

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