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  • mwiggins
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    Originally posted by Milt on Tilt View Post
    Yeah. I don't mean to call Ryan a worthless GM. He was doing a fine job. But then I just think he lost interest towards the end. I wasn't at all upset to see him step down.

    Until I saw what a terrible executive Bill Smith has been. FIRE BILL SMITH!!!!!
    I agree that his performance in '07 was subpar. Both in getting nothing for Castillo and in not seemingly even trying to do anything with Hunter and Santana.

    But yeah, Smith has been a bust so far. I heard one of the guys on the Twins flagship station defending him Monday, saying that nobody thought the Young-Garza deal was a bad one at the time. Are you serious!?!? I don't think anyone could have forseen Bartlett being so good, but giving up your best starting pitching prospect, and a potential #1 starter, for an overrated prospect who can't play defense and who's a headcase had disaster written all over it. Just because Young drove in 93 runs in 2007 does not mean he has a good year. He was barely a replacement level player that year.

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  • Milt on Tilt
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    Yeah. I don't mean to call Ryan a worthless GM. He was doing a fine job. But then I just think he lost interest towards the end. I wasn't at all upset to see him step down.

    Until I saw what a terrible executive Bill Smith has been. FIRE BILL SMITH!!!!!

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  • mwiggins
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    Originally posted by Milt on Tilt View Post
    What made it terrible wasn't looking forward. It was at the time, the Twins were just going along, about .500 club and then Ryan waved the white flag to the team by trading Castillo for nothing. It was a minor salary dump and was ill conceived.
    But with our without Castillo they weren't going to do anything in '07. Santana, Mauer, and Morneau were all having off years, and they were going to lose Castillo at the end of the season anyway.

    Ideally, they should have resigned Castillo to an extention, but that's more on the owner than Ryan. And they should have tried to deal Hunter and Santana at the break. Though given that they probably got more for Hunter (Hunt & Gutierrez) than they did for Santana, maybe Ryan was right to hold on to both of them.

    And don't forget, Ryan was the guy who traded basically nothing for Castillo in the first place, giving that '06 team a huge upgrade over Punto.
    Last edited by mwiggins; 07-22-2009, 06:02 AM.

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  • Milt on Tilt
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    Originally posted by mwiggins View Post
    And Castillo would be an upgrade this year, but Casilla was a much better player last year. It looks like a bad trade now, but if you'd told me in March that you'd rather have Castillo back at 2B, I'd have laughed at you.
    What made it terrible wasn't looking forward. It was at the time, the Twins were just going along, about .500 club and then Ryan waved the white flag to the team by trading Castillo for nothing. It was a minor salary dump and was ill conceived.

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  • Milt on Tilt
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    Originally posted by PurpleMustReign View Post
    But he was a scared little kitty when it came to trades in mid-season. When he needed to better the team, he only even tried one season (Stewart). Bill Smith has yet to even try to make the team better. Trade Casilla, Cuddyer and a prospect for Sanchez.
    Boom. Not true. That's exactly what Nevin and Boone were!

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  • mwiggins
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    Originally posted by PurpleMustReign View Post
    But he was a scared little kitty when it came to trades in mid-season. When he needed to better the team, he only even tried one season (Stewart). Bill Smith has yet to even try to make the team better. Trade Casilla, Cuddyer and a prospect for Sanchez.
    Mid-season trades rarely make sense, esp. for a team that lives and dies with it's prospects like the Twins.

    And if the idea is to win this year, why trade Cuddy for Sanchez? Cuddy's outhitting him this year, in a better league, and losing your best RH bat would negate the advantage of adding another RH bat in Sanchez. Then you've got a hole in RF that forces you to play Young much more often, and Cuddy to Young is a HUGE downgrade, both offensively and defensively.

    The Twins have only 5 quality hitters in their lineup. If they're going to make a move, they need to add another quality bat, not just swap one of their good hitters for another good hitter.

    And why would Pittsburgh deal Sanchez for a guy making more money? They aren't going to deal Sanchez, take on more salary, and only get one prospect for their trouble. Esp when the Twins best prospects happen to play the same position as McCutchen.

    Now, if you could trade Ramos and Young for Sanchez, that would seem to make a lot of sense.
    Last edited by mwiggins; 07-21-2009, 08:48 PM.

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  • PurpleMustReign
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    But he was a scared little kitty when it came to trades in mid-season. When he needed to better the team, he only even tried one season (Stewart). Bill Smith has yet to even try to make the team better. Trade Casilla, Cuddyer and a prospect for Sanchez.

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  • mwiggins
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    Originally posted by Milt on Tilt View Post
    Terry Ryan had his strengths. Namely plucking players from other people's systems. And he put together a strong foundation for a club, but he had faults.

    Here is a list of players that he acquired to try to fill holes with the club when there was a clear foundation for winning in place 2005-2007:

    Bret Boone
    Phil Nevin
    Tony Batista
    Ruben Sierra
    Sidney Ponson
    Ramon Ortiz
    Jeff Cirillo

    Ouch. Not to mention giving away Castillo for nothing leading to arguably the Twins biggest hole currently.
    It's hard for me to hold him that responsible for those guys given the budgets he was working under. He was forced to take gambles on cheap players, much like Crede this year. Signing FA's was his weak spot, but it's hard to judge him on that given how cheap Polad was.

    And Castillo would be an upgrade this year, but Casilla was a much better player last year. It looks like a bad trade now, but if you'd told me in March that you'd rather have Castillo back at 2B, I'd have laughed at you.

    But the Twins under his watch drafted very well (Morneau in the 3rd, Kubel in the 12th, Mauer over Prior, Blackburn in the 29th, ect), won a lot with low payrolls, and make some excellent trades (Stewart, Nathan/Liriano), and he found the best pitcher of his generation in the Rule 5 draft.

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  • Milt on Tilt
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    Originally posted by mwiggins View Post
    Huh??? I hardly think "worse than Terry Ryan" is an insult to a GM. That label would apply to most GM's in the majors right now.
    Terry Ryan had his strengths. Namely plucking players from other people's systems. And he put together a strong foundation for a club, but he had faults.

    Here is a list of players that he acquired to try to fill holes with the club when there was a clear foundation for winning in place 2005-2007:

    Bret Boone
    Phil Nevin
    Tony Batista
    Ruben Sierra
    Sidney Ponson
    Ramon Ortiz
    Jeff Cirillo

    Ouch. Not to mention giving away Castillo for nothing leading to arguably the Twins biggest hole currently.

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  • mwiggins
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    Originally posted by PurpleMustReign View Post
    But that would require Bill Smith to actually make a move. He is worse than Terry Ryan (which I didn't think was possible).
    Huh??? I hardly think "worse than Terry Ryan" is an insult to a GM. That label would apply to most GM's in the majors right now.

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  • Milt on Tilt
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    Mark grudzielanek!!!!!!!

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  • PurpleMustReign
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    But that would require Bill Smith to actually make a move. He is worse than Terry Ryan (which I didn't think was possible).

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  • wu-tang clan
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    Sanchez would be a great addition, we need consistency in the middle infield and he would bring it. I need to know more details about the asking price, but for the right cost it would be awesome to have the 2006 AL and NL batting champs on one team.

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  • bmac25
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    I would be happy to have him on the team. He would be a huge help. I'm just afraid to know what we would have to give up to get him.

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  • mwiggins
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    Originally posted by The Commissioner View Post
    While it's true that at this point they are in dire need of any starter besides Blackburn who can hold the other team to under 4 1/2 runs per game, having someone at second base who can hit above .200 wouldn't be bad either. Keep in mind that they are still only 4 games out of first in their division.
    But would Sanchez make them better than Boston, or close enough to have a resonable shot against them in the playoffs? Sanchez isn't going to make them a legitimate contender. And the Twins farm system isn't exactly loaded with top prospects right now.

    Now, if they could get him for Young and somebody like Phil Humber, that would be a different story.

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