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  • #46
    Originally posted by callingit
    Rob Deer is a very good comparison. BTW, Eric Duncan was sent down to Trenton on Thursday.
    That's good news. I just hope that Eric hasn't been ruined and knows this isn't a "demotion" per se....just a touch up refresher course.
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    • #47
      Someone on another board said he was a year or two away. At least he's doing well in Trenton.

      Hughes flirts with no-hitter
      TRENTON --Sometimes it's the veterans who lead a ball club, and then some days, the kids take over.

      Like pitching phenom Philip Hughes.

      The young Trenton pitcher was the story last night at Waterfront Park. In just his ninth Double-A start, the 19-year-old right-hander pitched seven one-hit shutout in nings, striking out eight, as the Thunder blanked the New Hampshire Fisher Cats, 3-0. The Fisher Cats pulled off a triple play half- way through the game, but it wasn't enough to overcome Hughes.

      Trenton drew first blood in the bottom of the fifth when Eric Dun can drew a lead-off walk, Justin Christian singled and Kevin Howard drove Duncan home. However, the Thunder were taken out of a big inning when catcher Omir San tos grounded to Fisher Cats third baseman Brad Hassey, playing close to the bag. Hassey was able to step on third and force Howard at second. The relay to first easily beat the slow-moving Santos. It was the first triple play involving the Thunder since July 1, 2002.

      THUNDER 3 NEW HAMPSHIRE 0 Meanwhile, Hughes took a no-hitter into the top of the sixth before allowing a one- out double down the left field line by the Fisher Cats' Justin Singleton (son of Yankees announcer Ken Singleton). The home crowd of 4,923 gave Hughes a nice hand, but the youngster, temporarily rattled, walked the next batter. Second baseman Gabe Lopez saved him with a nice snare of a pop-up in short center field, and Hughes struck out the next batter.
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      • #48
        Hopefully, we'll be able to see this guy in 2007. I wouldn't mind one bit.


        Tom Mihalek for The New York Times
        The Trenton Thunder's Phil
        Hughes gave up one hit over
        eight innings in a victory on
        Friday, his last as a teenager.


        Barely 20 Years Old, but Coming of Age Fast
        Phil Hughes had no big plans to celebrate the end of his teenage years Friday. He had finished a workday at Waterfront Park in Trenton, and the next day he would be 20 years old. Twenty years old and still a Yankee.

        "It was hot tonight," Hughes said outside the clubhouse of the Class AA Trenton Thunder, after pitching eight one-hit innings to beat a team from Norwich, Conn. "I'm pretty gassed. I just want to get in bed."

        Then Hughes, the youngest player in the Eastern League and the best prospect in the Yankees' farm system, thought of something else. "I'll probably talk to my mom for a while," he said.

        Hughes's parents live in Santa Ana, Calif. He so adores California that he has a tattoo of a swallow on his back as a tribute to his old hometown, San Juan Capistrano, where swallows leave in the fall and return every spring.

        Hughes will not be returning soon, at least not permanently. He recently purchased a condominium in Tampa, Fla., the city where Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera and George Steinbrenner live. It is where Yankees go for the winter.
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        • #49
          On Hughes:

          In his last four starts he is 2-1, 0.96 with 33 strikeouts in 28 innings
          "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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          • #50
            I keep reading that there are all these scouts from other teams watching Hughes every time he pitches. I really, really hope that the Yankees don't do something stupid and trade him, especially for a rental corner OFer like Carlos Lee or Alfonso Soriano. The only player I can rationalize giving Hughes up for is Dontrelle Willis, but I don't see that happening. But even then, I'd rather see Hughes, a potential home grown ace, given a shot to succeed with the team.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by DoubleX
              I keep reading that there are all these scouts from other teams watching Hughes every time he pitches. I really, really hope that the Yankees don't do something stupid and trade him, especially for a rental corner OFer like Carlos Lee or Alfonso Soriano. The only player I can rationalize giving Hughes up for is Dontrelle Willis, but I don't see that happening. But even then, I'd rather see Hughes, a potential home grown ace, given a shot to succeed with the team.
              Actually DX...I really like The D-Train. But unfortunately I just don't see him having the same success in the AL as he does in the NL.

              I'm really skeptical of any NL pitcher coming over to the AL.

              Also, I really do not want to see Hughes traded. I really want to see him come down to the Bronx one day and excelling.

              I too hope that Cashman doesn't make any stupid trades involving him, Cano, or Wang. I really don't see a need for the Yanks going out to get an OFer.
              If anything we need another Pitcher...not another bat.
              "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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              • #52
                Originally posted by TonyStarks
                Actually DX...I really like The D-Train. But unfortunately I just don't see him having the same success in the AL as he does in the NL.

                I'm really skeptical of any NL pitcher coming over to the AL.

                Also, I really do not want to see Hughes traded. I really want to see him come down to the Bronx one day and excelling.

                I too hope that Cashman doesn't make any stupid trades involving him, Cano, or Wang. I really don't see a need for the Yanks going out to get an OFer.
                If anything we need another Pitcher...not another bat.
                I think I read somewhere in Newsday that Cashman has told the Nationals (Soriano) that Hughes is off limits. An outfielder is definitely not nesesary. The combo of Crosby, Cabrera, Williams can be picked up by the rest of the offense but Willis would be reasonable though not preferable.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by DoubleX
                  I keep reading that there are all these scouts from other teams watching Hughes every time he pitches. I really, really hope that the Yankees don't do something stupid and trade him, especially for a rental corner OFer like Carlos Lee or Alfonso Soriano. The only player I can rationalize giving Hughes up for is Dontrelle Willis, but I don't see that happening. But even then, I'd rather see Hughes, a potential home grown ace, given a shot to succeed with the team.
                  To tell you the truth, there's not a single ballplayer I'd trade for Hughes. Not Santana, not Liriano, not Dontrelle, not anybody. Heck, we could've even use Pujols if we somehow snuck him away from the Cards (which is impossible), but not even him. Call me nuts, but call me faithful to the farm.

                  Eeee-Iiiiiiiii-Eeeeeeeee-Iiiiii-OOOOOOOOOO!

                  To think that the Yanks have one of the best prospects ever, then the guy gets traded for someone. That's pathetic, especially considering our bad luck with getting farm guys. Not a good likelihood when you win the division for several times straight.

                  Instead of instant performance being handed to you on a silver platter with these guys, the "win now" side says to get those superstars, but the fan in me says to be patient, watch him struggle, try keeping him off the DL, give him some easy teams like KC or TB, perhaps Pittsburgh or whoever in Interleague, then watch him grow.

                  If he succeeds, there will indeed be hope for the Yankee farm to produce quality pitchers. With the way Wang pitches, his devotion and dedication to keeping his team in the game, and especially the way he'd thrown his glove in disgust when he was asked to work the 9th after a shaky 8th inning, I'd *LOVE* nothing more than seeing the Yanks grow their own, rather than going about trading guys away.

                  It'll be a sad day in Yankeeland when a blue chipper everyone's asking for gets sent away. Alfonso Soriano is nice, but not only do I think he's unnecessary, it shouldn't require more than a mid level prospect or two to obtain him, considering his salary.

                  I still want Cano at 2B, so unless Matsui's not healing quickly, I think that other options should be explored.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by TonyStarks
                    Actually DX...I really like The D-Train. But unfortunately I just don't see him having the same success in the AL as he does in the NL.

                    I'm really skeptical of any NL pitcher coming over to the AL.

                    Also, I really do not want to see Hughes traded. I really want to see him come down to the Bronx one day and excelling.

                    I too hope that Cashman doesn't make any stupid trades involving him, Cano, or Wang. I really don't see a need for the Yanks going out to get an OFer.
                    If anything we need another Pitcher...not another bat.
                    I completely agree with you. I'm just saying that if the Yanks are going to be foolish and give up Hughes for someone, Dontrelle would be the most acceptable given that he is still so young and has so much talent. But like you, I'm skeptical of how his numbers will transfer to the AL. It's usually a rough ride for most pitchers coming over. Look at Josh Beckett, his ERA has ballooned this season (not to toot my own horn too much, but I told Boston fans that would happen). Dolphins Stadium is also a pretty friendly pitchers park, so not having that as him home stadium anymore could hurt his numbers as well.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Mattingly
                      To tell you the truth, there's not a single ballplayer I'd trade for Hughes. Not Santana, not Liriano, not Dontrelle, not anybody. Heck, we could've even use Pujols if we somehow snuck him away from the Cards (which is impossible), but not even him. Call me nuts, but call me faithful to the farm.
                      I think I'd probably trade Hughes in a heartbeat for Pujols. I'd probably do it for Liriano as well (I'm still kicking myself for not taking him in a fantasy league). I'd also have to think long and hard about the Santana deal. For some reason, I'd be worried about Santana's arm and it's ability to hold up over the longrun. Then again, Pedro's still going and most thought he'd be done by now, so I'd probably make the trade of Santana. Hughes has potential, but we know Santana is just about the best pitcher in the league, and he's still pretty young. But for Pujols, I'd trade Hughes in a second. Pujols is a tremendous talent.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DoubleX
                        I think I'd probably trade Hughes in a heartbeat for Pujols. I'd probably do it for Liriano as well (I'm still kicking myself for not taking him in a fantasy league). I'd also have to think long and hard about the Santana deal. For some reason, I'd be worried about Santana's arm and it's ability to hold up over the longrun. Then again, Pedro's still going and most thought he'd be done by now, so I'd probably make the trade of Santana. Hughes has potential, but we know Santana is just about the best pitcher in the league, and he's still pretty young. But for Pujols, I'd trade Hughes in a second. Pujols is a tremendous talent.

                        Liriano is the only reasonable offers for Highes mentioned. Santana will give you about 10 more years of work highes will give you 20. The Yankees really don`t need a big offensive player or another 1st baseman (though it would be an upgrade)
                        2009 World Series Champions, The New York Yankees

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Rickey_Henderson
                          Liriano is the only reasonable offers for Highes mentioned. Santana will give you about 10 more years of work highes will give you 20. The Yankees really don`t need a big offensive player or another 1st baseman (though it would be an upgrade)
                          Where in the world are you getting 20 years from? So many things happen to pitchers all the time to derail their careers. Look at Mark Prior - he was can't miss and people all over baseball praised his mechanics as so smooth as to not cause him any troubles, but look at all the troubles he's had. Given all the injuries and other things that happen to young pitchers, I'd say that Hughes would be lucky in his career just to have the kind of success that Santana already has had (ERA+s of 148, 151, 182, and 153 over the last four years, that's pretty darn good). Santana is phenomenal and we know what he's phenomenal at the Major League level. Hughes is looking good, but Santana is still a safer bet at this point. He's only 27 too, so there is still plenty of good baseball ahead for Santana.
                          Last edited by DoubleX; 06-30-2006, 02:26 PM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DoubleX
                            I think I'd probably trade Hughes in a heartbeat for Pujols. I'd probably do it for Liriano as well (I'm still kicking myself for not taking him in a fantasy league). I'd also have to think long and hard about the Santana deal. For some reason, I'd be worried about Santana's arm and it's ability to hold up over the longrun. Then again, Pedro's still going and most thought he'd be done by now, so I'd probably make the trade of Santana. Hughes has potential, but we know Santana is just about the best pitcher in the league, and he's still pretty young. But for Pujols, I'd trade Hughes in a second. Pujols is a tremendous talent.
                            Yeah, I know it's no contest. In fact, people strongly criticized Yankee fans when we'd longed for Soriano when we'd traded for Alex Rodriguez. Soriano had played professionally in Japan before us, so he's no more from the Yankee farm system than was a player obtained via trade as a minor leaguer.

                            The heart part of me wants to see Hughes no matter what. If the Cards were in fact drunk as the proverbial sailor and did something like this (I could see images of Babe Ruth's trade here), they'd be out of their minds and would want Cano, Wang and several years of draft picks as compensation.

                            Still, I want to see Phil Hughes start a game in pinstripes at Yankee Stadium as a Yankee. He's ours, in addition to Wang and Cano, and now Melky, he's our recent claim to fame that the Yankee farm system is not indeed dead upon arrival. I want that and I want it all, baby!
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Mattingly
                              Yeah, I know it's no contest. In fact, people strongly criticized Yankee fans when we'd longed for Soriano when we'd traded for Alex Rodriguez. Soriano had played professionally in Japan before us, so he's no more from the Yankee farm system than was a player obtained via trade as a minor leaguer.

                              The heart part of me wants to see Hughes no matter what. If the Cards were in fact drunk as the proverbial sailor and did something like this (I could see images of Babe Ruth's trade here), they'd be out of their minds and would want Cano, Wang and several years of draft picks as compensation.

                              Still, I want to see Phil Hughes start a game in pinstripes at Yankee Stadium as a Yankee. He's ours, in addition to Wang and Cano, and now Melky, he's our recent claim to fame that the Yankee farm system is not indeed dead upon arrival. I want that and I want it all, baby!
                              With the way Hughes is going, I really wouldn't be surprised to see him given a shot later this year if someone in the rotation goes down. It'll almost definitely be premature, but it will be nice to see him.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DoubleX
                                Where in the world are you getting 20 years from? So many things happen to pitchers all the time to derail their careers. Look at Mark Prior - he was can't miss and people all over baseball praised his mechanics as so smooth as to not cause him any troubles, but look at all the troubles he's had. Given all the injuries and other things that happen to young pitchers, I'd say that Hughes would be lucky in his career just to have the kind of success that Santana already has had (ERA+s of 148, 151, 182, and 153 over the last four years, that's pretty darn good). Santana is phenomenal and we know what he's phenomenal at the Major League level. Hughes is looking good, but Santana is still a safer bet at this point. He's only 27 too, so there is still plenty of good baseball ahead for Santana.
                                best case scenario
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