Yankees and Starting Pitching

[Tinyballer]

but pre tommy john surgery he was constantly throwing a 98mph fastball do you not think he will gain it back?

[moebarguy]

Do you have a link or any proof that he was ever throwing that hard?

[Tinyballer]

well heres the link http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=318&p=2&c=350213 but thats mostly about after his shoulder problems so his stuff would've been even better when it was in taiwan. And when you guyz signed him you guyz thought he could be ur ace and at minimum a middle of rotation starter thats why you guyz gave him that huge signing bonus so i think he can still pan out and look he use to strike out almost a batter per inning in the third paragraph it clearly documents that he could throw 95mph on every pitch and on the bottom it sayz he hangs around 95-98mphs every time on his fastball and no lower

[yankeekiller34BigPapi]

I agree and disagree with you.

Yes I do agree that johnson is getting older but he does look like a pitcher to me than can excel in his early 40's. look if he preformes the way he did last august and september he'll be fine. mussina's main problem is consistency. in some days he pitched, he got 6 or 7 solid innings. in others he got killed in the first 2. i think this a problem with all the yankees starters...consistency. i disagree, they do have talent. but they need to preform consistently evey time its their turn in the rotation. this is the major promblem the rotation had in 2005. pavano i dont trust. i think we should trade him for a better pitcher. wang is a good young pitcher who, with a little experience, can be a reliable starter. chacon is very good. he is a pitcher who can excel in the AL. he is the only starter here thats preformed consistently every game he pitched. i dont think wright is bad, just that he shouldn't be a starter. he has a hard-throwing arm that will fit in well in our bullpen. he looks like the guy we can use for the 6th/7th inning. i mean he certainly is better than tanyon sturtze. But again, yakees starters do have the talent. They just need to use this talent every time they start.

Also, shouldn't this be in the yankees forum????

you know your avatar is a has-been? hmmm....Coco Crisp or Johnny Damon? Tough choice there. hahaha, good luck with your "idiot"

[pacewon]

you know your avatar is a has-been? hmmm....Coco Crisp or Johnny Damon? Tough choice there. hahaha, good luck with your "idiot"

When considering that Damon only required giving up money, while Crisp cost you a blue chip prospect and decent relief pitcher, it really isn't much of a tough choice at all. Damon in a heartbeat. You probably won't agree until Marte is a superstar in Cleveland.

[Mattingly]

At his peak, for a few years and certainly for ONE game that must be won, Koufax destroys Clemens.

I've never followed Koufax's big-game demeanor, so I can't say he'd "destroy" Clemens or not. By "destroying", I'm thinking that Koufax goes 9, allows only 1 run, and Clemens gets taken out after having given up 5 runs in 4-5 innings.

Clemens has many super pent-up moments before big games and his level of hyperactivity have been noted by the NY sports press. In one game against the Red Sox in the 2003 ALCS, he was taken out early while Pedro did quite well, and Mike Mussina made his first playof appearance.

[Mattingly]

you know your avatar is a has-been? hmmm....Coco Crisp or Johnny Damon? Tough choice there. hahaha, good luck with your "idiot"

When considering that Damon only required giving up money, while Crisp cost you a blue chip prospect and decent relief pitcher, it really isn't much of a tough choice at all. Damon in a heartbeat. You probably won't agree until Marte is a superstar in Cleveland.

If you two wish to open a serious thread about Coco Crisp vs Johnny Damon, please start a new thread here under NYY, as this one is about Yankee pitching. Please also be civil and discuss the baseball aspects of it, rather than just the "my team is better than your team" thing which seems too evident when looser standards are encouraged.

Thanks.