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The A-Rod Chronology Project

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  • #46
    Originally posted by monkey333 View Post
    Heartless stat padder, he only needed to single in two runs.
    2009 World Series Champions, The New York Yankees

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    • #47
      Originally posted by mikesty View Post
      Whateva :P

      I'd say for 95%+ of major-league caliber hitters, that ball would have been a long fly ball for an out in center field. A-Rod's swing is brutal. The hit itself was just as beautiful as was winning the game.
      Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
      How is it stat padding? I'd much rather see him succeed and get those runs in than fail and strikeout.

      Something's strange when a player not only gets booed when he fails, but gets criticized when he succeeds. To me, the better he hits, the happier I am.
      I`m pretty sure he was just kidding
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      • #48
        Originally posted by iPod View Post
        It should be "Mans up," not "Man's up."



        An RBI to put your team two runs ahead when the other team has already scored ten runs is hardly "padding." Of course Jeter's hit was more noteworthy, but that doesn't mean A-Rod's was worthless. Come on, use your common sense here.



        That's only the beginning. We also have antennae, walk on all fours and eat our young. Let me know if you need help getting off that high horse of yours.



        What are you talking about? A-Rod already won an MVP in New York. He's already performed well in the postseason at least a couple of times; that's the thing that's so bizarre about all this. Are Yankee fans' memories really so bad that I need to remind you about the 2004 postseason, or was that so scarring that you've just all blocked it out of your minds completely?

        In 2 out of the 3 Yankee wins in the 2004 ALDS against the Twins, Rodriguez was directly involved in the process of driving in the winning run.

        Game 2:
        Bottom of the ninth, 1 out, Cairo is on second, Jeter on first, and the Yankees are down 6-5. Can everyone here agree this is a clutch situation for A-Rod? Yes? OK, good.

        A-Rod doubled in that at-bat, scoring Cairo (hence, tying the game) and sending Jeter to third with only one out. That set up a Matsui sac fly and ended the game.

        Game 4:
        Top of the ninth, none on, none out, score tied 5-5. A run would obviously give the Yankees the lead, which if they manage to hold in the bottom of the ninth, would clinch the series. Would everyone agree this is a clutch situation for A-Rod?

        A-Rod doubled in that at-bat too, putting the Yankees in pretty freakin' good position to win the series, considering Sheffield, Matsui and Williams were coming up. The Yankees didn't score; 2 strikeouts and a pop out to second followed.

        Top of the eleventh, none on, one out (Jeter, who K'ed), score still tied 5-5. Again, a clutch situation.

        A-Rod doubled yet again, and stole third base for good measure, scoring on a wild pitch. The Yankees behind him quickly went down in order; pop out to second and strikeout. They held the lead and won the series. Rodriguez hit .421 in that series with 4 extra-base hits.

        That's A-Rod's best performance in the postseason, granted, but he hasn't been a complete zero besides that. He had a .378 OBP and .516 slugging percent in the ALCS that year, both exceeding the team average (compared to Jeter's .333 OBP and .233 slugging). In the bottom of the 8th of game 1, with the Yankees only ahead 8-7 and the game still in doubt, A-Rod singled to start a 2-run rally which put the game away. In game 3 of that series, he homered in the 3rd to tie the game 4-4. Granted it's only the third, but how many game tying HRs do you have to hit in the postseason before people stop calling you a choker?

        And he's had other good postseason series not with the Yankees too. You say he can't perform with the Yankees in the postseason; well, if the pressure of the Yankees is so great, why did he perform so well against the Yankees in the 2000 ALCS? In that series, he hit .409 and had a .773 slugging percentage, driving in 5 of the Mariners 18 total runs. They (the Mariners) lost that series, but then again, it's hard to win a postseason series when your teammates hit .189 collectively, and your pitchers have a team ERA of 5.37.

        In the 1997 ALDS against the Orioles, A-Rod hit .312 and had a .562 slugging percentage. Essentially the same story as the 2000 ALDS. The Mariners dropped the series, but I would say the collective batting average of A-Rod's teammates (.205), and the Mariners' team ERA (5.91) had a lot more to do with it than he did.

        So there you go; that's 3 very good postseason series (1997 ALDS, 2000 ALDS, 2004 ALDS), and one that's good but not great (2004 ALCS). To say this guy can't play in the playoffs is just flat out factually wrong. We know it's factually wrong, because he has performed well in the playoffs, as a Yankee, as a non-Yankee playing the Yankees, and as a non-Yankee not playing the Yankees.

        The fact that he had two consecutive postseason series that were very bad tells you very, very little in reality. Derek Jeter, for example, has had 2 consecutive poor series on 2 separate occasions:

        1998 ALDS: .111 .273 .111
        1998 ALCS: .200 .259 .320

        2001 ALCS: .118 .200 .118
        2001 WS: .148 .179 .259

        Plus he's had 2 other bad series, the 2000 ALDS vs Oakland, and (already mentioned) the 2004 ALCS against Boston.

        The 2005 ALDS is when this all really gained momentum, especially game 5, the ninth inning. It was just this perfect image, of the saintly Jeter singling and the false prophet Rodriguez doubling the two of them off, essentially ending the Yankees' season and capping off a terrible series. But why was A-Rod blamed for that loss and not Mike Mussina, who got knocked out in the 3rd inning? I would say getting your starting pitcher knocked out in the third is more damaging than one of your hitters going 0-4. Why not Hideki Matsui, who went 0-5 and had 8 LOB to A-Rod's 3?

        More generally, why is that series blamed on A-Rod? Yes, he performed terribly. But so did a lot of Yankees. In Rodriguez's favor he did have a .381 OBP; he was getting on base that series, even if his BA was only .133. Bernie Williams didn't hit much better, .211, but his OBP was .250, well below A-Rod's. Randy Johnson pitched terribly in 2 games out of that series. Mike Mussina essentially put the Yankees in position to lose game 5.

        Why is it that A-Rod is the one said to cause these failures? Because he's paid the most. But that doesn't make sense. If your pitcher gives up 5 runs in 2.2 innings, he's clearly the one who caused the failure, regardless of who gets paid what. People are confusing the two ideas.

        Which leads me to my next point, which is that to the Yankees, A-Rod's contract really isn't that ridiculous, nor is it preventing the Yankees from going out and getting other players. The "A-Rod is our guy and for the money we're giving him he has to perform for us" argument is one that we non-Yankee fans will tolerate because if we were paying him that much money, he would cripple our team's financial flexibility to the point where we wouldn't have other dependable players. We just don't think about it further than that. But on the Yankees, it's an irrelevant argument. A-Rod is only barely the Yankees' top paid player. 2006 salaries:

        Alex Rodriguez $ 21,680,727
        Derek Jeter $ 20,600,000
        Jason Giambi $ 20,428,571
        Mike Mussina $ 19,000,000
        Randy Johnson $ 15,661,427
        Johnny Damon $ 13,000,000
        Hideki Matsui $ 13,000,000
        Jorge Posada $ 12,000,000
        Gary Sheffield $ 10,756,171
        Mariano Rivera $ 10,500,000

        The Yankees are paying Jason Giambi and Mike Mussina essentially exactly the same amount of money as they are paying Alex Rodriguez. Where were the outcries after Mussina coughed up the season on October 10, 2005? "Mussina's gotta pitch the big games if he's going to earn the money we're paying him! The Yankees don't care about anything but championships!" Nowhere, that's where they were. Why? It's more fun to pretend how smart and perceptive we all are by making wild accusations like "A-Rod is a choker."

        Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, I suppose.
        Nice post IPod I agree completely
        2009 World Series Champions, The New York Yankees

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        • #49
          The NY Daily News this morning pointed out that this is not actually the first time A-Rod has come through in the clutch for the Yankees and gave these examples at this link:

          May 5, 2004: A day after hitting his 350th career home run, A-Rod smacks his 351st, a ninth-inning solo shot in Oakland to tie the game and help spark Yanks' comeback victory.

          August 4, 2004: Launches two-run, game-winning home run in bottom of 11th, breaking 6-6 tie against A's at Stadium.

          Oct. 6, 2004: Drives in game-tying run in bottom of 12th inning in Game 2 of Division Series against Twins with ground-rule double — putting Derek Jeter, the eventual winning run, on third. A-Rod finishes game 4-for-6 with homer and three RBI.

          Oct. 9, 2004: Three days later, scores the series-clinching run in Minnesota when he doubles, steals third, and comes home on a wild pitch.

          Oct. 16, 2004: Before it all goes south against Boston in ALCS, A-Rod helps crush Red Sox in 19-8 Game 3 thrashing, with three hits, three RBI, a homer and five runs scored.

          April 26, 2005: Hits three home runs in first three at-bats and becomes only 11th major leaguer to drive in double-digit runs in single game, finishing 4-for-5 with 10 RBI in 12-4 drubbing of Bartolo Colon and Angels at Yankee Stadium.

          July 14, 2005: Tags Curt Schilling (pitching in relief, sans bloody sock) for two-run homer in ninth inning at Fenway that breaks 6-6 tie and proves to be game-winner.

          August 4, 2005: Clubs solo homer in top of ninth off Cleveland closer Bob Wickman to tie game at 3 and set up game-winning solo shot by Jason Giambi.

          June 28, 2006: In midst of month-long slump that has Yankee fans jeering, A-Rod blasts a two-run, 12th-inning homer to beat Braves at the Stadium.

          July 2, 2006: In Subway Series finale at Yankee Stadium, hits grand slam and three-run homer in 16-7 shellacking of Mets.

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          • #50
            I think yesterday was a big moment because it could actually have defined the season for A-Rod. If he went up there and say struck out (and he had two strikes on him) to end the game, and all the fans got on him, the pressure may have started to mount on him to come through like last year and something may have gotten into his head like last year causing him to press throughout the season. But since he came through, he may have actually gotten a hughe monkey off his back and can continue to be free and easy this year, and perhaps even confident when he goes up there.

            It's silly to say it, but ever since he came to spring training this year down a few a pounds, sporting the high socks, and was forthcoming about Jeter, you could tell something was different about A-Rod this year, that he was more comfortable. I think the place you can see it the most is in his fielding. I dare say that he's actually played a good 3B so far this year, and with the exception of that foul pop, he's made all the plays so far and has shown a great and accurate arm.

            Now, the best thing A-Rod can do is have a monster year, a good postseason, and come back to the Yankees. It would be ashame for him to finally breakthrough with the fans and then bolt. A showing of loyalty could be the ultimate gesture by him.

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            • #51
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Wee Willie Keeler View Post
                I`m pretty sure he was just kidding
                Hopefully. I'm a bit tired of all the player haters out there.
                Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                I think yesterday was a big moment because it could actually have defined the season for A-Rod. If he went up there and say struck out (and he had two strikes on him) to end the game, and all the fans got on him, the pressure may have started to mount on him to come through like last year and something may have gotten into his head like last year causing him to press throughout the season. But since he came through, he may have actually gotten a hughe monkey off his back and can continue to be free and easy this year, and perhaps even confident when he goes up there.

                It's silly to say it, but ever since he came to spring training this year down a few a pounds, sporting the high socks, and was forthcoming about Jeter, you could tell something was different about A-Rod this year, that he was more comfortable. I think the place you can see it the most is in his fielding. I dare say that he's actually played a good 3B so far this year, and with the exception of that foul pop, he's made all the plays so far and has shown a great and accurate arm.

                Now, the best thing A-Rod can do is have a monster year, a good postseason, and come back to the Yankees. It would be ashame for him to finally breakthrough with the fans and then bolt. A showing of loyalty could be the ultimate gesture by him.
                Like I said before (perhaps in the A-Rod thread stuck to this forum), it was his "slam in the rain" day like what Giambi had. Except Giambi's came in his first season, whereas Rodriguez' came in this 4th season. Weird, but stuff happens.

                I'll agree that he'd have been far too self-suspecting and self-doubting. He may have put lots of pressure upon himself to "go out there and get the big hit", whereas that thought pattern may have been counter to actually doing this. Instead, I'd rather him worry about his mechanics and go out there and use his sweet and powerful swing to get there. Somehow I feel that "go out and get the big hit" doesn't seem to work.

                Interestingly, despite the differences between himself and Jeter, it was Jeter on 2B that was cheering for Alex to get a hit. Seems that the old adage that "friendship doesn't breed winning; winning breeds friendship" must be true. People don't need to have to be friends, but they all want to win, regardless of who's the one taking credit for the final run being scored.

                If Alex is on a mission, I'll take it. He wants to be the best version of Alex Rodriguez he cans. To me, that's a very worthy thing.

                I do hope that he stays. I'd hate to see him have a career year and turn this into his walk year. Just think, he'd have been booed in 2006 when he was here, then booed again in 2008 if he leaves. I'd rather not have this. If he has a great year, especially in October, I've love him to stay here. Let him be ours and ours only.
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                • #53
                  Not to get all mushy....

                  But watching ARod hit that shot and then running around the bases..just gave me chills.

                  The guy really needed that, I feel. The way he ran the bases and was just elated man....it musta been a great feeling!
                  "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by TonyStarks View Post
                    Not to get all mushy....

                    But watching ARod hit that shot and then running around the bases..just gave me chills.

                    The guy really needed that, I feel. The way he ran the bases and was just elated man....it musta been a great feeling!
                    And getting kicked out of the Dugout by Jeter must of sucked But that was a huge moment for Alex, and even Jeter as a teammate showing that they're willing to be teammates and work together for bringing home #27. But it's nice to see A-Rod finally sticking it to the haters. I'd hate to be 'that guy' but for the older Yankees fans here does anyone remember something like this happening for Dave Winfield? Not that I think A-Rod is Winfield. However I'm also liking A-Rod's yard work today too.
                    "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                    "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

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                    • #55
                      let This Be A Reminder To Every Hackjob Columnist Out There Right Now A-rod Is Carrying The Yankees He Is Responsible For Both Of The Yankee Victories
                      "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                      "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                      • #56
                        I laugh at all of you who took my last post as anything other than a joke...
                        Last edited by monkey333; 04-08-2007, 02:39 PM.
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                        • #57
                          Well in all fairness they have played what? Four games?
                          "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

                          "I thought it was interesting and yes a conversation piece. Next time I post a similar story I will close with the question "So, do you think either of them have used steroids?" so that I can make the topic truly relevant to discussions about today's game." - Eric Davis

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqul1GyK7-g

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                          • #58
                            He hit his 4th HR today to have the MLB lead.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan View Post
                              let This Be A Reminder To Every Hackjob Columnist Out There Right Now A-rod Is Carrying The Yankees He Is Responsible For Both Of The Yankee Victories
                              It's kind of reminiscent of 2005. Other than that two week stretch where Tino Martinez was really hot, A-Rod almost single-handedly carried the team in the first half of that season.

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                              • #60
                                Hopefully his recent success will give him confidence down the road. We'll have to see how he does away from Yankee Stadium. By the way, I was at the game Saturday and saw the grand slam!! I was a row behind the bullpen in the bleachers.
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