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    I mentioned in the Stanton thread, but I really think the Yanks need to move Gardner. As much as I like him and as long as he has been a Yankee, they have too many OF'ers and will not be able to trade Ellsbury.

    To get rid of Ellsbury and shed salary, they will need to attach good prospects. Gardner has surplus value, they can get something back for him and shed salary.

    That would leave an OF of Stanton, Hicks, and Judge, with Frazier and Ellsbury in reserve and at DH. That is pretty good. I would like to trade Gardner for a pitching prospect or two. Someone not yet established or someone fairly young. Basically another Jordan Montgomery or Chance Adams. Depth, they will need it, but adding another arm like Cole, pushes Monty to the minors and frankly, Monty was better than Cole or Corbin last year.

    Alternatively, a player like Drury would be ok, but I am also fine going with Andujar and Wade at 3b and 2b to start the season and wait a month for Torres to replace one of them.

  • #2
    They may be able to get rid of Ellsbury by trading him for another bad contract and kicking in cash. If the player they get back in the trade is a 2nd or 3rd basemen or a decent starting pitcher, it would solve several problems.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SD Bomber Fan View Post
      They may be able to get rid of Ellsbury by trading him for another bad contract and kicking in cash. If the player they get back in the trade is a 2nd or 3rd basemen or a decent starting pitcher, it would solve several problems.
      The one name that comes to mind is Jordan Zimmerman but why would Detroit do that? Plus why would Ellsbury do that. You have a player with negative value who has a full no trade clause. Look what Stanton did to the Marlins.

      Ellsbury would not be a terrible platoon bat in LF with Stanton and Frazier getting most of the at bats. Maybe Gardner could fetch a decent pitching prospect like McCann did (actually 2 and one that got Stanton).

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      • #4
        Why not teach one of stanton/judge to play first base? That way you have a replacement for bird should he go down with injury again and even if healthy you can platoon him or give gimme some off days to keep him healthier.

        that way you can rotate the guys between of, 1b and dh and likely get enough playing time for everybody. Frazier probably starts in AAA though and you either trade him or if he really rakes you can still trade Gardner.
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        • #5
          Does Brett Gardner get traded before he can become a 10/5 man by late June or early July? Facing the same situation the Tampa Bay Rays just yesterday sent All-Star 3B and their franchise leader in home runs, Evan Longoria to the San Francisco Giants. He would have gained 10/5 rights before the end of April. If Longoria gets traded away just before he gains 10/5 right, then Gardner, who has never had the level of stardom Longoria regularly enjoys, certainly can't feel safe and if the Yankees make another trade for an outfielder then Gardner is rather easily replaceable.
          Last edited by philliesfiend55; 05-19-2018, 12:54 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dominik View Post
            Why not teach one of stanton/judge to play first base? That way you have a replacement for bird should he go down with injury again and even if healthy you can platoon him or give gimme some off days to keep him healthier.

            that way you can rotate the guys between of, 1b and dh and likely get enough playing time for everybody. Frazier probably starts in AAA though and you either trade him or if he really rakes you can still trade Gardner.
            I agree but I doubt they do it. Judge is too good in the OF and Stanton being new to NY, they will not want to add more "pressure". I would but I bet they will not.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
              Does Brett Gardner get traded before he can become a 10/5 man by late June or early July? Facing the same situation the Tampa Bay Rays just yesterday sent All-Star 3B and their franchise leader in home runs, Evan Longoria to the San Francisco Giants. He would have gained 10/5 rights before the end of April. If Longoria gets traded away just before he gains 10/5 right, then Gardner, who has never had the level of stardom Longoria regularly enjoys, certainly can't feel safe and if the Yankees make another trade for an outfielder then Gardner is rather easily replaceable.
              Good point but not as much of a concern as they are only committed to him through this year and he has not been on the decline like Eva.

              That said it is another little reason to trade him.

              I like Gardner and he is better than Ellsbury but they are very similar. And I think a combo of Ellsbury and Frazier may be better than Gardner with both of the above gone.

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              • #8
                I don't see how Evan Longoria is in that much of a decline.In 2017 he hit within 10 points of his lifetime .270 batting average and he was once again a candidate for the American Lg. all-star team and the Gold Glove A ward. In 2016 he had his career high in home runs. Tampa Bay Rays fans are sorry to see him go. He's going to be a 2,000 games, 2,000 hits, 400 home runs performer before he's through. Ifthe Gians are about to turn around last year's awful season Longoria will be one of the keys to their resurgence..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
                  I don't see how Evan Longoria is in that much of a decline.In 2017 he hit within 10 points of his lifetime .270 batting average and he was once again a candidate for the American Lg. all-star team and the Gold Glove A ward. In 2016 he had his career high in home runs. Tampa Bay Rays fans are sorry to see him go. He's going to be a 2,000 games, 2,000 hits, 400 home runs performer before he's through. Ifthe Gians are about to turn around last year's awful season Longoria will be one of the keys to their resurgence..
                  He really has not been a great player since 2013. That said he has still been very good. Last year was a step down. He is now 32 and exiting his prime years. He is likely going to decline further and he is owed a good amount of money. At $10MM per year I would be very happy to have him on my team. Even at $13MM in 2017, it's good. But at $19.5MM in 2022? With a $5 MM buyout for '23. Rays are looking at a rebuild. By the time they will compete, he will have a very negative contract left. One of the issues with backloaded contracts.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post

                    I like Gardner and he is better than Ellsbury but they are very similar. And I think a combo of Ellsbury and Frazier may be better than Gardner with both of the above gone.
                    Gardner brings a lot more to the team then just a bat. Offensively, he's about an average producer, although he does tend to hit better with RISP. His Ks are a concern since he does not consistently hit for power. However, he's a great fielder in left, very durable, can still run the bases well and provides veteran leadership the team needs. Yes, Stanton is a veteran, but playing in Miami is way different than in NY where the pressure to perform is exponentially higher. We have had players that did well outside of NY, but could not handle the stress of wearing pinstripes. I would rather find a way to move Ellsbury and his inability to "attend" games. That to me is a greater liability because Ells cannot be depended upon to even take a field. $21M+ is way too much for someone who can play only 60-70% of the schedule.
                    Last edited by morpheus1776; 01-14-2018, 03:18 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I think Brett Gardner may be the most underrated player in baseball, which is crazy considering that he's a career Yankee. He's a modern day Roy White.
                      Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by morpheus1776 View Post

                        Gardner brings a lot more to the team then just a bat. Offensively, he's about an average producer, although he does tend to hit better with RISP. His Ks are a concern since he does not consistently hit for power. However, he's a great fielder in left, very durable, can still run the bases well and provides veteran leadership the team needs. Yes, Stanton is a veteran, but playing in Miami is way different than in NY where the pressure to perform is exponentially higher. We have had players that did well outside of NY, but could not handle the stress of wearing pinstripes. I would rather find a way to move Ellsbury and his inability to "attend" games. That to me is a greater liability because Ells cannot be depended upon to even take a field. $21M+ is way too much for someone who can play only 60-70% of the schedule.
                        I just do not believe there is any way to move Ellsbury without eating at least 75% of the contract. LIke I said, I like Gardner but I think it may be time and I would rather have Frazier out there most days with Ellsbury as a back up. Plus getting a pitcher.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post

                          I just do not believe there is any way to move Ellsbury without eating at least 75% of the contract. LIke I said, I like Gardner but I think it may be time and I would rather have Frazier out there most days with Ellsbury as a back up. Plus getting a pitcher.
                          That was just a bad investment from the get go. Yankees should have known that from Ellsbury's playing days in Boston. Damn it! I just looked, he's signed through the 2020 season.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by morpheus1776 View Post

                            That was just a bad investment from the get go. Yankees should have known that from Ellsbury's playing days in Boston. Damn it! I just looked, he's signed through the 2020 season.
                            I agree. I hated that contract from day 1. As bad as the Cano deal was, I would have rather had just him than Ellsbury and McCann for essentially the same overall dollars.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NJYankeeFan View Post

                              I agree. I hated that contract from day 1. As bad as the Cano deal was, I would have rather had just him than Ellsbury and McCann for essentially the same overall dollars.
                              Has not played an inning this year. Strained oblique, plantar faciitis, what next? A pulled muscle in his butt? This guy is another Carl Pavano when it comes to playing games. I'm not saying the injuries are not legit, but heck, YOU ARE PAID TO PLAY GAMES!! Stanton, Judge, Gardner and Hicks are a better combo out there. With Torres, Andujar and Didi (along with my favorite Ronald Torreyes) and this team is better off trading him for an extra Jugs Machine and a case of baseballs.

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