Posada Throws Pettitte Under The Bus?

[TonyStarks]

By Posada publically claming he believes Clemens, IMO that means he believes Andy is lying!

Andy Pettite, who he came up with. Andy Pettitte who's still his teammate.

I wonder how this is going to go over when Andy shows up.

[Mariano_Rivera]

By Posada publically claming he believes Clemens, IMO that means he believes Andy is lying!

Andy Pettite, who he came up with. Andy Pettitte who's still his teammate.

I wonder how this is going to go over when Andy shows up.

That never even occured to me. I`d bet Pettitte isn't reading to many newspapers right now or watching to much of ESPN. He might not even know about the comment. The media doesn't seem to have ran with the quote to much either.

Also, was this comment made before or after Pettitte went to Congress?

[DoubleX]

Good question Tony. I'm guessing it's not so much that Posada believes Pettitte is lying, it's that Pettitte "misremembers."

The team needs Pettitte to pitch like normal this year, but I'm a little worried about whether Pettitte can put all this behind him.

[Williamsburg2599]

By Posada publically claming he believes Clemens, IMO that means he believes Andy is lying!

Andy Pettite, who he came up with. Andy Pettitte who's still his teammate.

I wonder how this is going to go over when Andy shows up.

Maybe he also believed Andy "misremembered."

[bigbadwolf]

Guys, please remember everything is not black and white. There is much gray area. Pettitte it appears only used HGH while he was injured. And only to recupperate faster. I personally believe Clemens used, however it appears he may not be proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt. As each speaks their version of the truth, surely there may be a very gray area. Just the same as ten wintnesses giving police reports on a crime and there be five different stories. In no way does Posada saying he believes Clemens is telling the truth means he does not believe Pettitte is telling the truth also. Two peoples version of the truth may be different.

[Old Sweater]

I voted Pettitte threw Clemens under the bus and will have a lonely season in the clubhouse.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

I voted Pettitte threw Clemens under the bus and will have a lonely season in the clubhouse.

If that is the case, it will be his last season, at least with the Yankees. I hope that his pitching will not suffer from that.

[Mattingly]

I'd always thought that Pettitte primarily stated that McNamee was accurate in saying that he (Pettitte) had used HGH in the past, as given to him by McNamee. The whole "misremembered" part is a bit bizarre.

[TonyStarks]

That never even occured to me. I`d bet Pettitte isn't reading to many newspapers right now or watching to much of ESPN. He might not even know about the comment. The media doesn't seem to have ran with the quote to much either.

Also, was this comment made before or after Pettitte went to Congress?

Riiiiiight. A Professional athlete that doesn't watch ESPN??!? I'd beleive Curt Shilling is a Yankee before I believe that one.

Not only that, but this story is ALL OVER the place in NYC. It's on the Front and Back pages of all the major papers. I'm sure he's well aware of it.

Jorge made the comment after Andy went to the principal's office.

Guys, please remember everything is not black and white. There is much gray area. Pettitte it appears only used HGH while he was injured. And only to recupperate faster. I personally believe Clemens used, however it appears he may not be proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt. As each speaks their version of the truth, surely there may be a very gray area. Just the same as ten wintnesses giving police reports on a crime and there be five different stories. In no way does Posada saying he believes Clemens is telling the truth means he does not believe Pettitte is telling the truth also. Two peoples version of the truth may be different.

BBW,
Jorge says he believe Roger is telling the truth.

Pettite says Roger talked to him about doing PEDs. Andy backed McNamee and says he told the truth about PEDs and even Chuck Knoblauch backed up McNamee's story. McNamee has used needles, pictures, for chrissakes he even shot up Clemen's wife with HGH. The cards are extremely stacked against Roger. There may not be enough evidence to convict Roger, but in the Court of Public Opinion Roger is toast. He can never regain his reputation back. It is permanently tarnished.

The question here is, did Posada betray Andy by stating Roger is telling the truth. IMO, the answer is Yes. And my question is why? Jorge's known Andy for much longer, they came up together, they've won Championships together and prior to coming to NYC, for a free ride on the Yankees backs for a Ring, Posada and Jeter hated Roger's head hunting antics. So I'm baffled as to why Posada would back Roger over Andy. Not to mention that Jorge's got to play with Andy this season. It could make for an awkward year.

I serious feel that this is going to effect Andy this season...and don't be surprised if he goes on the DL and misses a total of 8-10 starts this year.
Good thing Andy's got one year left on his deal and then he can go back to Houston if the media harrassment is too much for him.

Maybe this could be Posada's way of venting at Andy.
You know who MLB Unionized Players hate "snitches".

If that is the case, it will be his last season, at least with the Yankees. I hope that his pitching will not suffer from that.

It was his last season anyways. He's got one year left on his contract.

If you ask me, I really think Andy will get off to a terrible start.
He's going to have to deal with the NYC Media, which are about as bad as the Paparazzi's in Hollywood. Then he's going to have to deal with his teammates who are going to see him as a snitch for telling what he believes is the truth about Roger Clemens.

Union folks are not very forgiving when one of their own "rats" out another.

[Old Sweater]

Tony, I'm not saying that Roger is telling the truth but starting a poll based off Posada's personal opinion on the matter isn't quite fair to me. It's like me starting a 'Pettitte throws Clemens under the bus' which is my personal opinion, then putting a 'is he a rat' yes or no for the choices.


IMO, Pettitte did throw Clemens under the bus. To this day I don't know why he had to volunteer the information of the Clemens discussion in 2005 or why he admitted to the 2004 PED use. Sure this shows some 'I'm sorry I got caught remorse, but real remorse is telling MLB before your name appears on a PED list. Why didn't Pettitte just do what was best for him, Clemens and the Yankees instead of turning the hearing into a joke(IMO) for the whole world to view? I as a Yankees fan hope it don't effect his performance on the mound but he has brought this all upon himself by giving info in a deposition that he didn't have to give which is going to bring some cold shoulder's from his teammates in the clubhouse. I don't blame them a bit. He broke a baseball players code.

[TonyStarks]

Tony, I'm not saying that Roger is telling the truth but starting a poll based off Posada's personal opinion on the matter isn't quite fair to me. It's like me starting a 'Pettitte throws Clemens under the bus' which is my personal opinion, then putting a 'is he a rat' yes or no for the choices.


IMO, Pettitte did throw Clemens under the bus. To this day I don't know why he had to volunteer the information of the Clemens discussion in 2005 or why he admitted to the 2004 PED use. Sure this shows some 'I'm sorry I got caught remorse, but real remorse is telling MLB before your name appears on a PED list. Why didn't Pettitte just do what was best for him, Clemens and the Yankees instead of turning the hearing into a joke(IMO) for the whole world to view? I as a Yankees fan hope it don't effect his performance on the mound but he has brought this all upon himself by giving info in a deposition that he didn't have to give which is going to bring some cold shoulder's from his teammates in the clubhouse. I don't blame them a bit. He broke a baseball players code.

I'm with you. I don't think Andy is as "nice" as the NY Media make him out to be. I'm with you that I'd buy that story IF and IF he admits the PED use prior to be outing by Mitchell.

I also agree with you that Andy did throw Roger under the bus. I have no idea why he just didn't answer the questions regarding Roger. Maybe his conscience was eating away at him?! Who knows.

It is what it is (No pun) here. By Posada pubically taking Roger's side and not totally acknowleding Andy's side says alot. It's also a slap in the face to Andy, IMO. Personally, if it wasn't that Jorge is the catcher I'd probably not speak to him again. Speaking of, don't be surprised if Andy gets the call to use Molina.


Here is the qoute: "He sounded real truthful the other day and that's all I wanted to hear," Posada told reporters Friday at the Yankees spring training complex. "I believe Roger. That's the guy I believe."
Hmm...I dunno about you but that basically says to me that he feels Andy is lying or "misheard".

[Old Sweater]

I'm with you. I don't think Andy is as "nice" as the NY Media make him out to be. I'm with you that I'd buy that story IF and IF he admits the PED use prior to be outing by Mitchell.

I also agree with you that Andy did throw Roger under the bus. I have no idea why he just didn't answer the questions regarding Roger. Maybe his conscience was eating away at him?! Who knows.

It is what it is (No pun) here. By Posada pubically taking Roger's side and not totally acknowleding Andy's side says alot. It's also a slap in the face to Andy, IMO. Personally, if it wasn't that Jorge is the catcher I'd probably not speak to him again. Speaking of, don't be surprised if Andy gets the call to use Molina.


Here is the qoute: "He sounded real truthful the other day and that's all I wanted to hear," Posada told reporters Friday at the Yankees spring training complex. "I believe Roger. That's the guy I believe."
Hmm...I dunno about you but that basically says to me that he feels Andy is lying or "misheard".

I have to agree that it wasn't the best thing for Posada to say to the press. Some things are better if kept to one's self when it could effect the whole team you are playing with.

[DoubleX]

Guys, please remember everything is not black and white. There is much gray area. Pettitte it appears only used HGH while he was injured. And only to recupperate faster. I personally believe Clemens used, however it appears he may not be proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt. As each speaks their version of the truth, surely there may be a very gray area. Just the same as ten wintnesses giving police reports on a crime and there be five different stories. In no way does Posada saying he believes Clemens is telling the truth means he does not believe Pettitte is telling the truth also. Two peoples version of the truth may be different.

I agree with just about everything here. I think Pettitte was likely being truthful to the best of his knowledge when testifying for Congress. I also believe Clemens did stuff, but without a smoking gun, there may never be a way to absolutely prove he's lying. Clemens has been convicted in the court of public opinion, but there isn't enough right now to convict him in an actual court. What helps Clemens and people who believe him here is that his story is that Pettitte "misheard" when Clemens told Pettitte that he used steroids. Pettitte testified that in a subsequent conversation a few years later, Clemens then said that Pettitte originally misheard, so Clemens has been sticking to the "misheard" story for years, and not something he just invented now to counter Pettitte's testimony.

There's also a problem here in that everyone, McNamee included, is going off memory, and that likely will raise some inaccuracies.

[bigbadwolf]

Plus the longer the time between actual events and testifying tends to make one testify in his own best light. Sort of like selective memory. And it is true, Clemens it appears for now, has buried himself in the view of public opinion.

I would think that Pettitte and Clemens, being such good buddies, training together, almost living together, pitching together, and all that...Andy should have? would have? known for sure if Roger was positively on the junk. Therefore, 1.Andy either didn't know at all, or 2.if he knew, lied under oath to protect Roger, or 3.Roger wasn't doing.

[TonyStarks]

I agree with just about everything here. I think Pettitte was likely being truthful to the best of his knowledge when testifying for Congress. I also believe Clemens did stuff, but without a smoking gun, there may never be a way to absolutely prove he's lying. Clemens has been convicted in the court of public opinion, but there isn't enough right now to convict him in an actual court. What helps Clemens and people who believe him here is that his story is that Pettitte "misheard" when Clemens told Pettitte that he used steroids. Pettitte testified that in a subsequent conversation a few years later, Clemens then said that Pettitte originally misheard, so Clemens has been sticking to the "misheard" story for years, and not something he just invented now to counter Pettitte's testimony.

There's also a problem here in that everyone, McNamee included, is going off memory, and that likely will raise some inaccuracies.

Honestly DX, how do you "mishear" sometime telling you they did PEDs?
Someone the likes of Roger telling you that is probably shocking and is something that your never going to forget. I just don't buy that "he misheard" line.

You know, this would probably already be over with if Roger had just admitted to the use and moved on.

Plus the longer the time between actual events and testifying tends to make one testify in his own best light. Sort of like selective memory. And it is true, Clemens it appears for now, has buried himself in the view of public opinion.

I would think that Pettitte and Clemens, being such good buddies, training together, almost living together, pitching together, and all that...Andy should have? would have? known for sure if Roger was positively on the junk. Therefore, 1.Andy either didn't know at all, or 2.if he knew, lied under oath to protect Roger, or 3.Roger wasn't doing.

BBW, it's been reported by that Andy and Clemens aren't and have never been as close as the media reports. They were friends yes, but they weren't "best friends". It's sort of how the media portrayed ARod and Jeter as best friends...but that was never actually the case.

IMO, Andy is telling the most truths. I don't know if he's telling the absolute complete truth, but he's not telling as many lies as Roger is.