Bruney out for the year NOOOOOO

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[monkey333]

How are we going to replace Brian Bruney?

With other relievers(Britton, Albaladejo, Ramirez, etc.) It is a shame though, he seemed redevoted and ready to have a great season.

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[monkey333]

It would be smarter to actually give the current guys a chance before dealing away too much good talent for middle relief.

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[Evangelion]

Nobody is saying otherwise. But to be a contender this year we are going to have to get some help in middle relief.

Relief pitcher is a crapshoot. More so than bring a starting pitcher or position player in. Just look at Gagne going to Boston last year. It's April. Once you get a idea of the situation in the bullpen, then it's time to discuss dealing for a middle relief pitcher. Not at the end of April. To add, you can find a number of teams with who are much worse than the Yankees in the bullpen department.

I agree with monkey. You need to give these rookies a chance. Yankees have two guys who can be depend upon time and time again in Chamberlain and Rivera. You won't find too many teams with two pitchers they can depend upon. At the moment, it's April and these rookies can come along well, if given a chance.

To add, the Yankees rotation is what is in need. How a bullpen with Chamberlain and Rivera a bad and in need of help? Even when Bruney was pitching well, people thought this bullpen was bad. And, it's not like the other pitchers, outside Hawkins, have been pitching bad out of the bullpen.

[DoubleX]

I'm not too worried. Bruney looked pretty good so far this year, but he also looked great at the beginning of last year before blowing up, perhaps due to being overused. Lately, he was actually starting to show some signs of the same pattern this year. The Yankees have a lot of arms at AAA that are just as promising as Bruney, so now there's an opportunity.

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[Evangelion]

I never said relief pitchers wasn't a crapshoot situation. It is, nobody is denying that. That doesn't change the fact that it's a problem area.

Why do people keep saying other teams are worse off in the bullpen? Who gives a **** about the bad teams... aren't we trying to win something? You can't just have a mediocre bullpen and win. And you think other pitchers, outside Hawkins haven't been pitching bad? They aren't very promising and if you think we're winning anything with Hawkins/Traber/Ohlendorf/Farnsworthless/Albaladejo/Ramirez, you got another thing comin to you.

People say that to give you the idea that your bullpen isn't as bad as you think it is, which it isn't. It also gives you a idea that just about single team in MLB dealing with bullpen issues, which they are.

You left out Chamberlain and Rivera. They're a part of the "mediocre" bullpen. Another thing coming? I see much up side with Ohlendorf. Why is Traber, Albaladejo and Ramirez not even getting a shot to prove they'll be effective or ineffective? You're writing them off with such a small sample size? Farnsworth been bad, but hasn't been too bad this season. Only pitcher who's been awful is Hawkins, even then, it's just April. I'll be concern about Hawkins if he's pitching poorly a good portion of next month, not in April.

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[M110fan]

Oh NO, Bruney's Out for the Whole Year

What will we do to replace him? And don't aybody tell me Farnsworth, Hawkins, or Traber, because they all suck.

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Thank you, someone with some sanity.

[Evangelion]

I left out Joba and Mo because im not considering them the middle relief area that im talking about. You're not bringing those guys into tie games, Mo is a closer, and by the end of the year- is Joba even going to be in the bullpen??

Farnsworth is absolutely miserable, you cannot rely on that guy. He proves time and time again that he can't hack it
Did you see what Ohlendorf just did vs Cleveland? The kid is not ready for the bigs lol
Ramirez has proven he's not ready
Traber just got sent down for a reason
Albaladejo, im willing to give a chance cause I haven't seen much from him lol
And you say Hawkins has been awful but he's had more upside than any of these other guys have this year other than Bruney. He started awful but had some dominant outings.
Who are you left with? Hawkins, Albaladejo, Rivera in the bullpen come Fall- and who else? Nobody that's effective and on our roster right now. And that's being generous saying the first two.

They're part of the bullpen. Chamberlain, at the moment, part of the bullpen. Not going to speculate on unknown future since Chamberlain's near future is cloud. I do not believe it be predicted easily if he'll remain in the bullpen or go to the rotation.

Farnsworth isn't terrible, but he hasn't been that long during his Yankee career. Who's could the team get outside the organization that's better than him? You can mention names, but what would cost to bring them in?

Ohlendorf been struggling. He's a terrible pitcher after a hand full of appearances. Just get rid of him since he obviously can't cut it at the MLB after a hand full of appearances? Do you experience rookies to come up and dominate like Chamberlain did before you accept them as MLB players?

Ramirez struggled in a hand full of appearances and poor usage by Torre and he's not MLB ready even after pitching well in minor leagues. You sure have confidence in your young pitchers.

Traber got sent down for Duncan. Duncan started that game since a hand full of players were resting. Did you not known this?

I thought you be all over Albaladejo. He had a couple of appearances were he struggled, like Ramirez and Ohlendorf. He just needs another one or two poor performances before you write him off as not ready?

How does a 36 year veteran who's pitched the worst have the most upside of the bullpen pitcher?

Since you have a problem with the bullpen? Who should the team get for the bullpen? Who should they sign? Which young talent should they traded away for a relief pitcher? Should they make a Gabbard/Murphy trade to obtain a relief pitcher like Gagne?

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[Pinstripes]

Yankees bullpen OPS allowed this year is 5th in the AL at .691

The teams picked as "contenders" during the preseason:

Toronto 6th - .696
Detroit 7th - .703
Seattle 10th - .759
Boston 11th - .809
Cleveland 12th - .812
LAAngels 13th - .812

Yankees pen stacks up very favorably so far.

In addition, there are guys we haven't seen much of yet that have had excellent success in the past, the present, or in the minors. Albaladejo, Britton, Edwar Ramirez, Dan Giese, Jose Veras, Scott Patterson... any number of those guys could step it up and finally click at the major league level.

Farnsworth isn't terrible? Are you kidding me?

He's not. He's been up and down, but his ERA is under 4, he's got 11 Ks in 11 innings. Believe me, there are a lot of teams who would want a guy with an ERA under 4 and 9Ks per 9 for the 6th/7th innings for their pen. Some teams closers are off to worse starts than that.

I didn't say to get rid of Ohlendorf. He's just not ready.

I'm starting to think so too. He hasn't been a bullpen pitcher for very long in his career, and might need to sharpen up a bit.

Ramirez has proven he's not ready, there's no denying that!

There's plenty in denying that. I don't know why you say this. Becuase of a couple of periods of struggle last season? He pitched 2.1 innings for the Yankees during his brief call up this season, allowing just one hit, one walk, and striking out three. In the minors, he's pitched 9 innings, giving up only 2 hits, 1 walk, and 13 strike outs. That's right... 2 H, 1 BB, 13 Ks in 9 innings (his full season minor league numbers were nearly that good last year). He just needs a better "taste" of the majors to adjust. He's got a disgusting bugs bunny change up. His fastball has touched 91-92... He'll destroy left handed hitters, and be plenty good enough against righties, he just needs some more MLB experience, but he's ready now.