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    Edwar Ramirez

    ...now's a good time...right DX?

    I know some here aren't too excited about Ramirez, but I just have a think he can be a very good reliever and he's proving me right.

    Another good outing from Edwar and he's sporting 10.57 K/9 now.

    7 Games : 7.2 Inn : 3 Hits : 3 BB (2 in 1 Game) : 9K : .078 WHIP : 0.00 ERA

    I said it last year. Torre just didn't know how to use the guy. He would leave him in for too long and even tried to extended him too much.



    I've seen him a few times this year and he's not relying on the Change up so much as he was last season. He's been able to locate his Fastball on the corners and it's made him a much better pitcher now.


    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio
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    I love Edwar. I was at his first major league appearence. He struck out the side in the ninth inning. I love his story about pitching in the independant minors and discovering that ridicolous change up. I'm rooting hard for him whenever he pitches.

    Scott
    I told you not to be stupid you moron.

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    • #3
      I was also at his first major league appearance. And I also am a big fan of Edwar. I think he's going to be Mo's replacement in a few years. But for now, I feel very confident that he's going to help us out down the stretch this year. Which could be key with Joba maybe going to the rotation..

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      • #4
        I was there too, I was dumbfounded.


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        • #5
          I love Edwar but I don't think he's Mariano's replacement. First off no one will ever replace Mariano. Second I don't think he's got the skill to be a dominant closer. Maybe if his fastball improves or he developes a great second pitch to go with his change up. The Yankees aren't going to settle for a 2nd class closer.

          Scott
          I told you not to be stupid you moron.

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          • #6
            Maybe not a closer, but a good set up man is realistic enough for Ramirez.

            I remember watching his debut, against the Twins, and I'm almost positive it was Justin Morneau he struck out on a change up. The pitch was so nasty and had so much movement, I was amazed.

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            • #7
              That'd be nice to have an additional stud in the bullpen, especially looking for replacements for both Joba and Rivera in terms of the future. We will see what happens! :twocents:
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              • #8
                I wanted to comment on this the last time I saw Edwar.

                His fastball seems to be a real Fastball now. He's consistently sitting on 91-92 MPH.
                I recall last season he was around 88-89 MPH and his fastball was dead on arrival.

                This season his fastball seems to perfectly complement the change. The fastball is now tailing into RH batters. I don't believe he had that prior to this season. I also realized that Edwar is now dropping his arm some. He was a straight over the top pitcher before but now his arm angle has changed.


                After some reading, I found why. Edwar went to Pedro Martinez for help and even to Mariano Rivera. It seems to have paid off.
                "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by steve rogers View Post
                  I love Edwar but I don't think he's Mariano's replacement. First off no one will ever replace Mariano. Second I don't think he's got the skill to be a dominant closer. Maybe if his fastball improves or he developes a great second pitch to go with his change up. The Yankees aren't going to settle for a 2nd class closer.

                  Scott
                  Nobody will ever replace Mariano? So Mo is going to be the Yankees closer for the rest of time. Interesting perspective.

                  If Joba goes to the rotation for good, you're lookin at Edwar being the successor to Mo. And his fastball is getting better for that 2nd pitch, and that circle change is nasty. He's gotten a lot better since coming up last year, he doesn't rely on his change constantly, he's mixing in other stuff too and he's had a great year so far.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mission 27 View Post
                    Nobody will ever replace Mariano? So Mo is going to be the Yankees closer for the rest of time. Interesting perspective.

                    If Joba goes to the rotation for good, you're lookin at Edwar being the successor to Mo. And his fastball is getting better for that 2nd pitch, and that circle change is nasty. He's gotten a lot better since coming up last year, he doesn't rely on his change constantly, he's mixing in other stuff too and he's had a great year so far.
                    Rivera is pitching as good as he ever has right now, so he would appear to be the closer for at least the foreseeable future, and I would think if healthy, at least for the next couple of seasons. Thus, his successor could very well be someone who is not on the team right now or who we never have heard of. I would also point out the number of young power arms in the system, notably, J.B. Cox (who was specifically drafted as a closer), Mark Melancon, David Robertson, and Humberto Sanchez. One of these guys could emerge as the closer of the future. Who knows, perhaps Joba going to the rotation will fail and he'll go back to being the heir apparent.

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                    • #11
                      Edwar is pretty nasty. I won't go into speculations about the future, but it's impossible to deny that he's pretty good. It's not like a closer can't hack it with only one primary pitch (see: Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman), and I am confident to state that Edwar's changeup, circle-change, whatever that freak thing is, might be up there some day. Yes, he needs to work on his other pitches, but striking out the side in your ML debut is impressive even if it is a fluke.
                      "It ain't over 'til it's over" - Yogi

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mission 27 View Post
                        Nobody will ever replace Mariano? So Mo is going to be the Yankees closer for the rest of time. Interesting perspective.

                        Don't be so dense. Mariano is irreplaceable. Another pitcher will be the closer in a few years but they wont be anywhere close to Mariano. The meathead Yankee fan will be whining about Mo's replacements for years and years. They compared Scott Brocious favorably to Alex Rodriguez, can you imagine how they'll compare someone to Mariano Rivera?

                        Back on topic: I can't remember where I read this but apparently Edwar talked to Pedro Martinez in the off season about his change up and Pedro instructed him to throw his fastball more. And he worked on improving his fastball with Mariano in the spring. If Edwar relies on only his change up the same thing that happened last year will happen again. He'll get lit up. He needs to establish his fastball first and then go to his change up. Edwar is one of my favorite players and I have high hopes for him and I hope he gets the 8th inning.

                        Scott
                        I told you not to be stupid you moron.

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                        • #13
                          Since the praises for Edwar are coming in nice and strong, I'm trying to find out how folks here feel that Girardi will and should use him. Two different things, since I'm asking how you would think he should be used, and what you think Girardi may end up doing.

                          Should he be given 2 innings if a starter can't go past the 5th inning, replacing Ohlendorf as the 2- or 3-inning guy? Should Ramirez come in during an inning, such as in the 6th when we have 2 RISP, 1 out?

                          I'm trying to guage how folks here feel that he should be used that would best benefit the Yankee team, getting us some much-needed wins.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by steve rogers View Post
                            Don't be so dense. Mariano is irreplaceable. Another pitcher will be the closer in a few years but they wont be anywhere close to Mariano. The meathead Yankee fan will be whining about Mo's replacements for years and years. They compared Scott Brocious favorably to Alex Rodriguez, can you imagine how they'll compare someone to Mariano Rivera?
                            Please refrain from deriding others. Thanks.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mattingly View Post
                              Since the praises for Edwar are coming in nice and strong, I'm trying to find out how folks here feel that Girardi will and should use him. Two different things, since I'm asking how you would think he should be used, and what you think Girardi may end up doing.

                              Should he be given 2 innings if a starter can't go past the 5th inning, replacing Ohlendorf as the 2- or 3-inning guy? Should Ramirez come in during an inning, such as in the 6th when we have 2 RISP, 1 out?

                              I'm trying to guage how folks here feel that he should be used that would best benefit the Yankee team, getting us some much-needed wins.
                              Honestly, I should look into Edwar Ramirez' history more before I make judgements, but it seems like he was brought in as a short-stint reliever, as opposed to a starter or a mop-up guy.

                              Look, if Edwar Ramirez can throw one inning of goofball, we can maybe try and stretch that out to two, perhaps three innings, and see if there's any success. I'd err on the side of "he's a one-inning guy, just let him do that." I think he'd be great in filling in those random gaps where the starter cant' finish the fifth or sixth, and pitch no further than the seventh depending on where he started. Eventually he'd naturally transition to the setup, and perhaps closer, provided Joba does well in starting and remains there.

                              Actually, putting that aside, why not just have Edwar set-up in the 8th? He seems like the only guy that's capable of doing that these says
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